{"id":71,"date":"2008-05-19T22:11:00","date_gmt":"2008-05-20T05:11:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/groansfromwithin.wordpress.com\/2008\/05\/19\/how-the-heavens-go"},"modified":"2011-07-06T20:25:09","modified_gmt":"2011-07-07T03:25:09","slug":"how-the-heavens-go","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/thepangeablog\/2008\/05\/19\/how-the-heavens-go\/","title":{"rendered":"How the Heavens Go?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#ff0000\">I recently posted a blog about the journey that i have taken towards having an open mind about evolution and science in general. Although i do not feel obligated to recant or retract anything that i have stated, i want to clarify some things so that no one gets worried about my beliefs. <\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#ff0000\"> <\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-size:130%\"><span style=\"color:#00cccc\"><strong> <\/strong><\/span><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-size:130%\"><span style=\"color:#00cccc\"><strong>1. I trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and believe that he was with the Father before the foundations of the cosmos.<\/strong><\/span> <\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-size:130%\"><strong><span style=\"color:#00cccc\">2. I trust the bible as authoritative and inspired by the Holy Spirit.<\/span><\/strong> <\/span><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><strong><span style=\"color:#00cccc\">3. I am committed to attempting to exegete Scripture forwards from the 1st century rather than backwards from the 21st century.<\/span><\/strong> <\/span><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#00cccc\">4. The bible is compiled of several genres that must be read as literature. Inspired yes!!! but that does not remove the cultural implications or the intent of the original authors who wrote: historical narrative (tell story), didactic literature (straight forward language), wisdom literature (timeless truths), prophetic literature (foretelling or forthtelling), apocalyptic literature (imagery soaked) <\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#00cccc\">5. Ask the questions: What am I assuming about the text based on my modern experience? What is the writer\u2019s reference point? <\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#ff0000\"> <\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#ff0000\">Keeping these issues in mind, i must clarify that I have an open mind to evolution because the bible is not a science book. I have heard it said by someone lately that \u201cthe bible tells you how to go to heaven; not how the heavens go.\u201d For instance, the Genesis account never says that God made it this way or that; it simply says that God created and \u201cit was very good.\u201d The first three chapters of Genesis are written as poetry, so they should not be viewed as proposing a bunch of propositions. I would say that Biblically speaking, we ought to view this section of Genesis as conveying certain theological truths (God loves the world that he created, God blessed humanity with his image, etc.); but not as particularly concerned with modality (how he created it all [ie. 7 days]). Some may say that if we question this then everything is up for grabs; but I say that is exactly why we MUST KEEP GENRE, CULTURE, AND CONTEXT in mind. Lets read poetry as poetry. Lets read the narratives of the gospels as exactly that; narratives about the life, death, and resurrection of the Lord. Now, lets return to Genesis 1 for a moment\u2026 <\/span><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#66cccc\"> <\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#66cccc\">1. This passage is not meant to give us a scientific formula for creation. <\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#66cccc\">2. Genesis 1 is written as a piece of poetry<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><span style=\"color:#66cccc\">3. Most Christians throughout history did not view the six days of creation as literal <\/span><span style=\"color:#66cccc\">24 hour periods <\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div><strong> <\/strong><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#66cccc\"> <\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#66cccc\">A. Poetry does not seek to analyze something, as much as it seeks to convey a <\/span><\/strong><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><strong><span style=\"color:#66cccc\">message.<br>\nB. The word \u2018Day\u2019 in scripture can also mean a long period of time.<br>\nC. If this is read as literal: why is the marker of a 24 hour day [sun, moon, <\/span><\/strong><span style=\"color:#66cccc\"><strong>stars] not even created <\/strong><strong>until <\/strong><\/span><strong><span style=\"color:#66cccc\">day four?<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><strong><span style=\"color:#66cccc\"> <\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><strong><span style=\"color:#66cccc\">4. Taking the Bible seriously does not mean accepting whatever \u2018makes sense\u2019 on the <\/span><\/strong><strong><span style=\"color:#66cccc\">surface; it was not written in 21st century. <\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/div>\n<div><strong><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#66cccc\">5. This poetic text is not concerned with how, but with Who.<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#ff0000\"> <\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#ff0000\">Those are some basic comments about the Genesis account of Creation. I want communicate that there has always been Christians who have simultaneously held to some understanding of Darwin\u2019s Theory (by the way, i see it as exactly that; a theory). It is a lie propounded by the fundamentalism of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries that the Bible and Evolution must be viewed as in antithesis (for instance, Asa Grey was a devout Christian and took over Darwin\u2019s work after he died). However\u2026 The BIBLE AND ATHEISM ARE AT ANTITHESIS! and i want to affirm my belief in a loving creator who was willing to die for his creation!!!!! <\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><span style=\"color:#ff0000\">With that all sorted out, I again want to emphasize that there are several Bible believing Christians that are open minded towards some of the teachings of evolution, not all of the teachings, but some. It is only radical evolution that has been distorted as \u2018atheistic\u2019 (the view of Dawkins, etc.) that is rediculous and opposed to what i believe about my Savior and Lord.<\/span><br>\n<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color:#ff0000\"><span style=\"font-size:130%\">Here is a link to a conservative Christian webpage about this issue: <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.talkorigins.org\/faqs\/faq-god.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span style=\"font-size:130%\">http:\/\/www.talkorigins.org\/faqs\/faq-god.html<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size:130%\"> <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#ff0000\">Also some Books by Evangelicals who hold to Theistic Evolution\u2026<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><span style=\"color:#ff0000\">\u201cThe Language of God\u201d by Francis Collins<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color:#ff0000\"><span style=\"font-size:130%\">\u201c<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Coming-Peace-Science-Bridging-Between\/dp\/0830827420\/ref=wl_it_dp?ie=UTF8&amp;coliid=I3MH80JXYAW134&amp;colid=2DBZBPT2P6VAQ\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#ff0000\">Coming to Peace With Science: Bridging the Worlds Between Faith and Biology<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><span style=\"color:#ff0000\">\u201c<\/span><br>\nby Darrel R. Falk (biology professor at Point Loma Nazerine University)<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><span style=\"color:#ff0000\">\u201cThree Views on Creation and Evolution\u201d Edited, J.P. Moreland<\/span>\n<p><\/p><\/span><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#ff0000\">Here is a chart that explains the basic views on creation [double click to see full view]\u2026<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><a href=\"https:\/\/pangeablog.files.wordpress.com\/2008\/05\/creationchart21.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/pangeablog.files.wordpress.com\/2008\/05\/creationchart21.jpg?w=194\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\"><\/a>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:130%;color:#ff0000\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I recently posted a blog about the journey that i have taken towards having an open mind about evolution and science in general. 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