{"id":1337,"date":"2005-06-08T08:00:00","date_gmt":"2005-06-08T12:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/tmatt\/2005\/06\/08\/cant-ask-cant-tell\/"},"modified":"2013-01-30T17:11:47","modified_gmt":"2013-01-30T22:11:47","slug":"cant-ask-cant-tell","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2005\/06\/cant-ask-cant-tell\/","title":{"rendered":"Can&#8217;t ask. Can&#8217;t tell."},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>If a Catholic child steals a candy bar, church doctrine calls this a small sin.<\/p>\n\n<p>But if a priest embezzles a large amount of money, this act is much more serious \u2014 a sin that severely corrupts and threatens the soul.<\/p>\n\n<p>Both of these acts involve theft, but Catholicism does not believe they have equal weight. They do not have the same \u201cparvity of matter,\u201d noted Father Donald Cozzens of John Carroll University, who once led a seminary in Ohio.<\/p>\n\n<p>\u201cIt doesn\u2019t help to look that up in a dictionary,\u201d said Cozzens, whose recent books on the modern priesthood have generated both heat and light. \u201cThat\u2019s a theological term that describes the relative gravity of immoral thoughts, acts or behaviors. There are different levels of honesty and dishonesty. There are levels of language and cursing.\u201d<\/p>\n\n<p>But when it comes to sex, there are no misdemeanors. Every \u201cdeliberate, willful sexual sin is, from the church\u2019s perspective, a felony \u2014 a mortal sin,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n<p>This may sound trivial, but it isn\u2019t for Catholics who worry about their church in an age of turmoil, tragedy and scandal. Cozzens is convinced that this basic question about the relative nature and consequences of sins must be discussed soon, before Vatican officials begin a long-awaited \u201capostolic visitation\u201d of American seminaries.<\/p>\n\n<p>Cozzens is known for asking questions that fray nerves on left and right. In the past five years he has described what he calls a thriving \u201cgay subculture\u201d in some seminaries. He noted that most cases of clergy sex abuse have involved \u201cephebophilia\u201d with under-aged boys, not \u201cpedophilia\u201d with prepubescent children. He has detailed the impact of plunging Catholic birth rates \u2014 below two children per family \u2014 on parental attitudes about their children taking holy vows.<\/p>\n\n<p>Now he is convinced that teachings about the \u201cparvity of matter\u201d are making it harder to tell the healthy seminarians from the dangerous ones. It is almost impossible to have candid conversations about sexuality, he said.<\/p>\n\n<p>\u201cThis state of affairs is further complicated by the fact that, according to church teaching, no individual is to be compelled or asked to reveal the \u2018state of his or her soul,\u2019 \u201d he wrote, in a recent Commonweal essay. \u201cAs a consequence, the candid dialogue needed to form mature celibates is hampered and the specter of sin hangs heavy in the air. In such a climate, behavioral signs that might indicate future difficulties are often masked or simply missed.\u201d<\/p>\n\n<p>The logic is simple. If seminarians are struggling with sexual temptations, they know that these thoughts and emotions are just as sinful as the sexual acts, he said, in a follow-up interview. It doesn\u2019t matter if the temptations involve children, teens or adults. If seminarians raise these issues in confession, they know that their superiors cannot mention these struggles in a setting that would threaten their ordination.<\/p>\n\n<p>The result is a cloak of secrecy that covers discussions of sex. Professors cannot ask and the seminarians do not have to tell \u2014 in public.<\/p>\n\n<p>Cozzens said he knows of cases in which \u201cseminary faculty simple did not feel they could ask a seminarian, \u2018Have you even thought about sex with a child?\u2019 If they did that they would, in effect, be asking that man to betray his conscience in a setting that would kill any chance he had of being ordained.\u201d<\/p>\n\n<p>It is crucial to emphasize, he said, that raising questions about this \u201cparvity of matter\u201d issue is not the same thing as suggesting changes in the church\u2019s core teachings about sex and marriage.<\/p>\n\n<p>It is also possible to draw a line between this issue of sexual secrecy and related debates about mandatory celibacy and the ordination of homosexuals. Based on his work as a clergy vicar, Cozzens remains convinced that gay priests are no more likely to violate their celibacy vows than those who are straight.<\/p>\n\n<p>But it is time for candid questions, he said.<\/p>\n\n<p>\u201cThere are men who, quite frankly, are grateful for the current sexual climate in our seminaries,\u201d said Cozzens. \u201cIt makes their efforts to hide a piece of cake. \u2026 If our teachings changed on sex and the \u2018parvity of matter,\u2019 there would be all kinds of questions asked that some seminarians do not want to answer \u2014 at least not in front of others.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If a Catholic child steals a candy bar, church doctrine calls this a small sin. But if a priest embezzles a large amount of money, this act is much more serious \u2014 a sin that severely corrupts and threatens the soul. 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