{"id":834,"date":"2001-01-24T08:00:00","date_gmt":"2001-01-24T13:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/24\/the-offering-plate-rules\/"},"modified":"2013-01-30T14:09:48","modified_gmt":"2013-01-30T19:09:48","slug":"the-offering-plate-rules","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/","title":{"rendered":"The offering-plate rules"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>The pastor preferred to spend the moments just before the main Sunday service in prayer. <\/p>\n\n<p>But the two men who knocked on his door were leaders in his conservative church, and they insisted that their mission was urgent. What they said ended up in one of the stacks of congregational case studies that put flesh on the sobering statistics inside John and Sylvia Ronsvalle\u2019s \u201cBehind the Stained Glass Windows: Money Dynamics in the Church.\u201d <\/p>\n\n<p>\u201cWe want you to stop talking about inviting other people into this church,\u201d said one of the men. \u201cThere are too many new people now. We don\u2019t know half the people who come here and there are new people in leadership positions.\u201d If the pastor kept preaching evangelistic sermons, then they vowed to leave \u2014 creating a financial crisis that would threaten the church mortgage. <\/p>\n\n<p>They wanted their church to stay the same. That\u2019s what they were paying for. <\/p>\n\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s hard to understand, but we know that some people don\u2019t want their churches to grow,\u201d said Sylvia Ronsvalle, who, with her husband John, leads empty tomb, inc., in Champaign, Ill. For two decades they have worked in hands-on ministry to the poor, while also operating a small think-tank (www.emptytomb.org) that analyzes 30-plus years worth of data on giving in religious institutions, both liberal and conservative. <\/p>\n\n<p>\u201cSome people may not even want other members of their church to give more money and support new ministries,\u201d she added. \u201cIt\u2019s sad, but it\u2019s true. There are lots of people out there who can\u2019t see past the doors of their own church.\u201d <\/p>\n\n<p>Right now, church workers all across America are mailing annual statements covering donations. Here is one of the unwritten laws: 20 percent of the members give up to 80 percent of the annual budget. In most cases, 50 percent or more give little or nothing. Studying these rather utilitarian issues, said the Ronsvalles, quickly leads to other questions. Why are so many content to see their congregations limp along when it comes to evangelism, missions and benevolence work? Why do people give what they give? <\/p>\n\n<p>The answers are rarely comforting.<\/p>\n\n<p>* Some people make major donations in order to control the institution that frames life\u2019s major transitions. As the old saying goes, people want a church when it comes time to \u201chatch, match and dispatch\u201d family members. Some act as if they are purchasing shares in a beautiful building for these events and, as every clergy person knows, they care deeply about what that building looks like.<\/p>\n\n<p>* Many people view their offerings as payment for services rendered by the staff and clergy. Perhaps they want witty and practical sermons that please their intellects or emotions. They expect clergy to visit them in the hospital and offer pastoral counseling \u2014 for free \u2014 in times of crisis. Youth pastors must heal and entertain their sons and daughters, answering awkward questions feared by parents.<\/p>\n\n<p>* Others are buying a culture. For some members, this may be classical-quality, or even cable-television quality, music or drama. Some use the church as a social club, or the focus of ethnic identity. The church and its clergy may even be expected to carry water for a powerful family\u2019s favorite social causes, either liberal or conservative.<\/p>\n\n<p>* Finally, the Ronsvalles\u2019 research shows that many church members sincerely see giving as a matter of faith, the natural result of gratitude and a biblical vision. The question that haunts empty tomb, inc., is how to help clergy conquer their fears of challenging members to share with others, especially in an age of plenty. Right now, charitable giving in some denominations has fallen to levels lower than in the Great Depression.<\/p>\n\n<p>\u201cThere are people out there who are sinners and they aren\u2019t going to obey God and his Word. They\u2019re just not going to give the way they should, even though they sit in church week after week,\u201d said John Ronsvalle. \u201cThey may think the church doesn\u2019t need them to give or maybe they just don\u2019t see the need to, quote, spend their money on what the church has to offer, unquote. \u2026 <\/p>\n\n<p>\u201cThe question is whether they want to love other people, in the name of Jesus. In the end, that is what they have to want to invest in \u2014 the hearts and lives of others.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The pastor preferred to spend the moments just before the main Sunday service in prayer. But the two men who knocked on his door were leaders in his conservative church, and they insisted that their mission was urgent. What they said ended up in one of the stacks of congregational case studies that put flesh [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":610,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-834","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>The offering-plate rules<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"The pastor preferred to spend the moments just before the main Sunday service in prayer. But the two men who knocked on his door were leaders in his\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"The offering-plate rules\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"The pastor preferred to spend the moments just before the main Sunday service in prayer. But the two men who knocked on his door were leaders in his\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Terry Mattingly\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2001-01-24T13:00:00+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2013-01-30T19:09:48+00:00\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"tmatt\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"tmatt\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"4 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/\",\"name\":\"The offering-plate rules\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2001-01-24T13:00:00+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2013-01-30T19:09:48+00:00\",\"author\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/#\/schema\/person\/76ce2260a572ff41a28fb285de9350f1\"},\"description\":\"The pastor preferred to spend the moments just before the main Sunday service in prayer. But the two men who knocked on his door were leaders in his\",\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Home\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"The offering-plate rules\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/\",\"name\":\"Terry Mattingly\",\"description\":\"On Religion\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":\"required name=search_term_string\"}],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\"},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/#\/schema\/person\/76ce2260a572ff41a28fb285de9350f1\",\"name\":\"tmatt\",\"description\":\"Terry Mattingly directs the Washington Journalism Center at the Council for Christian Colleges and Universities. He writes a weekly column for the Universal Syndicate.\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/author\/tmatt\/\"}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"The offering-plate rules","description":"The pastor preferred to spend the moments just before the main Sunday service in prayer. But the two men who knocked on his door were leaders in his","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/","og_locale":"en_US","og_type":"article","og_title":"The offering-plate rules","og_description":"The pastor preferred to spend the moments just before the main Sunday service in prayer. But the two men who knocked on his door were leaders in his","og_url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/","og_site_name":"Terry Mattingly","article_published_time":"2001-01-24T13:00:00+00:00","article_modified_time":"2013-01-30T19:09:48+00:00","author":"tmatt","twitter_card":"summary_large_image","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"tmatt","Est. reading time":"4 minutes"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/","name":"The offering-plate rules","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/#website"},"datePublished":"2001-01-24T13:00:00+00:00","dateModified":"2013-01-30T19:09:48+00:00","author":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/#\/schema\/person\/76ce2260a572ff41a28fb285de9350f1"},"description":"The pastor preferred to spend the moments just before the main Sunday service in prayer. But the two men who knocked on his door were leaders in his","breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en-US","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/2001\/01\/the-offering-plate-rules\/#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Home","item":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"The offering-plate rules"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/#website","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/","name":"Terry Mattingly","description":"On Religion","potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":"required name=search_term_string"}],"inLanguage":"en-US"},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/#\/schema\/person\/76ce2260a572ff41a28fb285de9350f1","name":"tmatt","description":"Terry Mattingly directs the Washington Journalism Center at the Council for Christian Colleges and Universities. He writes a weekly column for the Universal Syndicate.","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/author\/tmatt\/"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/834","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/610"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=834"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/834\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=834"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=834"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tmatt\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=834"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}