{"id":7736,"date":"2012-12-19T08:19:09","date_gmt":"2012-12-19T14:19:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tonyjones\/?p=7736"},"modified":"2015-03-13T16:48:13","modified_gmt":"2015-03-13T21:48:13","slug":"new-comment-policy-or-where-is-frank","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tonyjones\/2012\/12\/19\/new-comment-policy-or-where-is-frank\/","title":{"rendered":"New Comment Policy (Or, Where Is Frank?)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><figure style=\"width: 560px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\"><a href=\"http:\/\/rachelheldevans.com\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Rachel Held Evans<\/a>\u2018s comment policy.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">I haven\u2019t banned Frank. Not yet. But after all that\u2019s gone down over the last couple weeks, it\u2019s time to revisit the commenting and moderating policies here at Theoblogy.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Back in 2008, I posted my \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tonyjones\/2008\/11\/17\/my-blogging-rules\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">Blogging Rules<\/a>\u201c:<!--more--><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1) I do not edit my posts, ex post facto, but allow my mistakes, misjudgments, and misstatements to stand as a record of my idiocy.<\/p>\n<p>2) I do not get involved in the comment section.\u00a0 I read all the comments, but I don\u2019t respond; I let the post do the talking.<\/p>\n<p>3) I occasionally break rules 1 and 2.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">First, some hard numbers.\u00a0<strong>This is the 2,248th post at Theoblogy, and those posts have generated 35,234 comments<\/strong>. That\u2019s a lot of water over the dam. In 2008 I read every comment. I cannot say that I do so today. On days that I\u2019m working, I do. But if I take a day or two off from the Internet, I simply cannot read all of the comments. I don\u2019t read the entire newspaper every day, even though it arrives on my doorstep without fail. So, I hope that readers will afford me some grace in this regard.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Second, I do engage in the comment section. Not as much as some would like, but as much as I am able. When someone asks me a direct question, I answer as time allows. But I\u2019m also attempting to post once or twice per day, so the bulk of my energy goes into producing that content.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Third, I rarely ban commenters. According to my dashboard, I have banned six commenters since 2004. Three I banned for repeated slander against me. One I banned for repeated lying. I personally corresponded with four of the six persons I banned, giving them several opportunities to amend their ways. They refused, and I banned them.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">The most public if these was the\u00a0<a title=\"Darius\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tonyjones\/2010\/09\/29\/darius\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">curious<\/a>\u00a0<a title=\"Decision on Darius\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tonyjones\/2010\/10\/01\/decision-on-darius\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">case<\/a>\u00a0of\u00a0<a title=\"Darius Is No More\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tonyjones\/2010\/10\/04\/darius-is-no-more\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">Darius<\/a>\u00a0\u2014 I even know of one college course that uses those posts as an example of blogging ethics (I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s a positive or negative example). If you\u2019re a relatively new reader here, I recommend those posts to see how I treat a relatively recalcitrant commenter.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Which brings us to Frank.<\/strong>\u00a0Frank left his\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tonyjones\/2011\/09\/28\/fooling-evangelicals-with-pseudoscience\/#comment-20259\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">first comment<\/a>\u00a0on September 28, 2011.\u00a0<strong>In the 447 days since, he has left 920 comments<\/strong>. That\u2019s a lot. And all that time, he\u2019s left a false email address. Even the domain with the email is fabricated. Since I couldn\u2019t email him,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tonyjones\/2012\/12\/13\/the-future-of-christianity\/#comment-51247\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">I reached out to him<\/a>\u00a0in the comments. Frank emailed me though my website; he offered his last name, but entered the same false email address.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">People leave fake email addresses on occasion: abc@123.com or jesus@nazareth.org. I let it slide, since those commenters usually doesn\u2019t come back. But Frank has been the most prolific commenter by far over the last year. Also, other commenters complained about him publicly and emailed me about him privately. One reader even set up a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/sillyfranksays\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Twitter account<\/a>\u00a0that sent out Frank\u2019s comments as tweets.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">When Frank\u2019s comments got out of control, I publicly chastised him (remember, I couldn\u2019t privately email him). I\u2019d remind him not to hijack every conversational thread. I\u2019d\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tonyjones\/2012\/12\/06\/marriage-changes-get-over-it\/#comment-50456\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">delete a post of his<\/a>\u00a0and tell him that he can\u2019t simply copy-and-paste content from other websites into my comment section.<\/p>\n<p>An interesting turn-of-events happened during the <a title=\"Where Are the Women?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tonyjones\/2012\/11\/28\/where-are-the-women\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">Where Are the Women?<\/a> post. Frank broke from his trolling behavior and showed me some <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tonyjones\/2012\/11\/28\/where-are-the-women\/#comment-49442\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">compassion<\/a>. It was really quite breathtaking for me and the most committed readers of this blog. But alas, Frank returned to form within the next couple of days. After I tried to reach him by email, he stopped commenting.<\/p>\n<p>Over the course of Where Are the Women? and the subsequent posts that addressed that issue and the blow-up that ensued, there seem to be two major themes from women readers (there were many themes, but two that I can directly control):<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">1) Tony is an ass who writes with a\u00a0belligerent\u00a0and subtly misogynic style.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">2) The Theoblogy comment section is overly\u00a0belligerent\u00a0toward women.<\/p>\n<p>I can\u2019t do a lot about being an ass. But I have tried to moderate my tone over the last couple of weeks. I am and have been a vocal supporter of women in the leadership of church and society. I have written posts proclaiming that all pastors should be women, and the like. But it seems that newer readers were unfamiliar with these positions, and that something about my writing turned them off. I am attempting to ameliorate that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Regarding the comment section, I am watching it more closely.<\/strong> There was a commenter (who happened to be female) who repeatedly insulted a gay male commenter. I deleted a couple of her posts and wrote her privately, telling her to stop immediately. She did, but it was too late. The man she insulted resigned from reading and commenting her. <strong>That was one of the sadder days of my blogging life<\/strong>. Maybe I should have stepped in sooner, but I\u2019ve always hoped that the comment section would be a relatively self-policing space.<\/p>\n<p>The traffic on this blog is growing, and that means more comments. I\u2019m asking for your help in alerting me if someone is insulting someone else. Also, don\u2019t feed the trolls. Also, treat one another with respect and, when necessary, tell one another when you\u2019ve stepped over the line.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll do my best to do better. I hope you\u2019ll both challenge me and have grace with me.<\/p>\n<p>And from the bottom of my heart, thanks for reading.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I haven\u2019t banned Frank. Not yet. But after all that\u2019s gone down over the last couple weeks, it\u2019s time to revisit the commenting and moderating policies here at Theoblogy. 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