{"id":1042,"date":"2011-11-21T18:40:49","date_gmt":"2011-11-21T23:40:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/?p=1042"},"modified":"2012-11-27T11:42:53","modified_gmt":"2012-11-27T16:42:53","slug":"fesers-typology-of-atheism-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/11\/fesers-typology-of-atheism-part-1.html","title":{"rendered":"Feser’s Typology of Atheism (Part 1)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

Edward Feser<\/a>, a professor at Pasadena City College has set out to create a typology of ways atheists feel about religion or particular religious traditions<\/a>. \u00a0It\u2019s a two-dimensional description of attitudes, categorizing atheists by how they respond to religious metaphysics and religious practice. \u00a0I\u2019ll take a look at the metaphysics spectrum he proposes today and take a crack at the religion-in-practice one tomorrow.<\/p>\n

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I found Feser\u2019s system helpful in clarifying my own stand on Christianity generally and Catholicism in particular. \u00a0I could imagine this typology could also help smooth discussion between atheists and believers (or possibly get you to the fight more efficiently). \u00a0I think the default assumption when someone meets an atheist is that s\/he belongs to category 1 below, but if you want a productive conversation, you need to be able to explain your position on the spectrum and get to your true rejection<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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  1. Religious belief has no serious intellectual content at all. It is and always has been little more than superstition, the arguments offered in its defense have always been feeble rationalizations, and its claims are easily refuted.<\/li>\n
  2. Religious belief does have serious intellectual content, has been developed in interesting and sophisticated ways by philosophers and theologians, and was defensible given the scientific and philosophical knowledge available to previous generations. But advances in science and philosophy have now more or less decisively refuted it. Though we can respect the intelligence of an Aquinas or a Maimonides, we can no longer take their views seriously as live options.<\/li>\n
  3. Religious belief is still intellectually defensible today, but not as defensible as atheism. An intelligent and well-informed person could be persuaded by the arguments presented by the most sophisticated contemporary proponents of a religion, but the arguments of atheists are at the end of the day more plausible<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    No matter how confident you are that there is no god(s), I don\u2019t think you should feel comfortable slotting yourself into category 1 for all religions. \u00a0As I wrote in my Atheist\u2019s Guide to Catholics<\/a>, there have been plenty of smart people playing for the other team, and, when they ran into problems of consistency, they tended to come up with solutions, not stick their fingers in their ears and chant \u201cI can\u2019t hear you.\u201d \u00a0The religions that deserve a type 1 explanation tend to be straight-up cults or prevalent in intellectually isolated communities. \u00a0Anyone who\u2019s not facing critics is more likely to end up devoid of intellectual content.<\/p>\n

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    So where does that leave religions like Scientology, which spend a lot of time under attack and who have religious metaphysics fleshed out to a DnD-level of detail? \u00a0Well, you can graduate to level 2 and still be false. \u00a0But religions don\u2019t earn a level 2 in my book solely on the basis of being plausibly self-consistent. \u00a0Remember, that would also legitimize the metaphysics I want to wish into being<\/a>, that of Diane Duane\u2019s YA Young Wizards<\/em> series. \u00a0To level up, I need a religion and it\u2019s apologists to be able to tackle the problem of other minds: they need to be able to understand the objections made by people outside their religion (i.e. they can\u2019t be people who couldn\u2019t scrape even a low pass on an ideological turing test<\/a>).<\/p>\n

    The easiest example of a blind-to-outside-objections apologist is someone who declares, \u201cYou\u2019re only an atheist because you\u2019re angry at God!\u201d \u00a0No, I\u2019m an atheist just because I don\u2019t believe in any gods, so I can\u2019t hold a grudge against a non-existent being. \u00a0And now I\u2019m pretty confident in the non-existence of your grasp of my position. \u00a0You only get points for apologetics if they\u2019re directed at non-strawmen.<\/p>\n

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    Stay in that corner til you imagine a better opponent!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

    Patheos blogger Mark Shea<\/a> is good on other topics, but he fell into an issue-specific version of this trap in his recent National Catholic Register<\/em> article on homosexuality<\/a>. \u00a0Hint: if you ask me why I\u2019m bisexual and why I fight for LGBT rights, my answer will not begin \u201cWell, I am deeply narcissistic.\u201d<\/p>\n

    Avoiding these traps gets you to a category 2 objection. \u00a0You hit level 3 if I think your religious metaphysics are the theological equivalent of non-Euclidean geometry<\/a>. \u00a0You only need one thing granted, and then the whole thing hangs together and your replies to my objections turn out to be correct. \u00a0Your religion offers predictions and explanations that are mostly consistent with lived experience, and where they differ, you\u2019ve got an alternate framework that, with your major premise granted<\/em>, would compel me to reject my experience or metaphysics where they clash with yours.<\/p>\n

    I would place Catholicism on the edge between categories 2 and 3, but, on a number of ethical issues, it has level 1 blindness problems.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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