{"id":1055,"date":"2011-11-23T10:50:52","date_gmt":"2011-11-23T15:50:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/?p=1055"},"modified":"2012-11-27T11:44:42","modified_gmt":"2012-11-27T16:44:42","slug":"fesers-typology-of-atheism-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/11\/fesers-typology-of-atheism-part-2.html","title":{"rendered":"Feser&#8217;s Typology of Atheism (Part 2)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2011\/11\/sorting.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1050\" title=\"sorting\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2011\/11\/sorting-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Today, I\u2019m returning to <a href=\"A.%20Religious%20practice%20is%20mostly%20or%20entirely%20contemptible%20and%20something%20we%20would%20all%20be%20well%20rid%20of.%20%20The%20ritual%20side%20of%20religion%20is%20just%20crude%20and%20pointless%20superstition.%20%20Religious%20morality,%20where%20it%20differs%20from%20secular%20morality,%20is%20sheer%20bigotry.%20%20Even%20where%20certain%20moral%20principles%20associated%20with%20a%20particular%20religion%20have%20value,%20their%20association%20with%20the%20religion%20is%20merely%20an%20accident%20of%20history.%20%20Moreover,%20such%20principles%20tend%20to%20be%20distorted%20by%20the%20religious%20context.%20%20They%20certainly%20do%20not%20in%20any%20way%20depend%20on%20religion%20for%20their%20justification.%20%20B.%20Religious%20practice%20has%20a%20certain%20admirable%20gravitas%20and%20it%20is%20possible%20that%20its%20ritual%20and%20moral%20aspects%20fulfill%20a%20real%20human%20need%20for%20some%20people.%20%20We%20can%20treat%20it%20respectfully,%20the%20way%20an%20anthropologist%20might%20treat%20the%20practices%20of%20a%20culture%20he%20is%20studying.%20%20But%20it%20does%20not%20fulfill%20any%20universal%20human%20need,%20and%20the%20most%20intelligent,%20well%20educated,%20and%20morally%20sophisticated%20human%20beings%20certainly%20have%20no%20need%20for%20it.%20%20%20%20C.%20Religious%20practice%20fulfills%20a%20truly%20universal%20or%20nearly%20universal%20human%20need,%20but%20unfortunately%20it%20has%20no%20rational%20foundation%20and%20its%20metaphysical%20presuppositions%20are%20probably%20false.%20%20This%20is%20a%20tragedy,%20for%20the%20loss%20of%20religious%20belief%20will%20make%20human%20life%20shallower%20and%20in%20other%20ways%20leave%20a%20gaping%20void%20in%20our%20lives%20which%20cannot%20plausibly%20be%20filled%20by%20anything%20else.%20%20It%20may%20even%20have%20grave%20social%20consequences.%20%20But%20it%20is%20something%20we%20must%20find%20a%20way%20to%20live%20with,%20for%20atheism%20is%20intellectually%20unavoidable.\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Edward Feser\u2019s typology of atheism<\/a>. \u00a0Monday, I took a look at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/11\/fesers-typology-of-atheism-part-1.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">ways atheists approach religious philosophy<\/a>, today the focus is on responses to religious practice. \u00a0Here\u2019s how Feser splits up atheists:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A. Religious practice is mostly or entirely contemptible and something we would all be well rid of. The ritual side of religion is just crude and pointless superstition. Religious morality, where it differs from secular morality, is sheer bigotry. Even where certain moral principles associated with a particular religion have value, their association with the religion is merely an accident of history. Moreover, such principles tend to be distorted by the religious context. They certainly do not in any way depend on religion for their justification.<\/p>\n<p>B. Religious practice has a certain admirable gravitas and it is possible that its ritual and moral aspects fulfill a real human need for some people. We can treat it respectfully, the way an anthropologist might treat the practices of a culture he is studying. But it does not fulfill any universal human need, and the most intelligent, well educated, and morally sophisticated human beings certainly have no need for it.<\/p>\n<p>C. Religious practice fulfills a truly universal or nearly universal human need, but unfortunately it has no rational foundation and its metaphysical presuppositions are probably false. This is a tragedy, for the loss of religious belief will make human life shallower and in other ways leave a gaping void in our lives which cannot plausibly be filled by anything else. It may even have grave social consequences. But it is something we must find a way to live with, for atheism is intellectually unavoidable.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Last time, I thought it was reasonable to think you could assign individual religious traditions a single category, but the system breaks down here. \u00a0Unless I\u2019m just rating religions on \u2018ritual\u2019 generically, my scores for an individual religion will whipsaw wildly depending on what practice we\u2019re talking about.<\/p>\n<p>Most individual religious practice falls into a kind of A* Feser doesn\u2019t account for: it\u2019s not particularly\u00a0pernicious, but it is useless. \u00a0Genuflecting before you sit at Mass, crossing yourself and saying a prayer when an\u00a0ambulance\u00a0passes, saying a blessing over food\u2026 the worst harm you\u2019re doing yourself is the opportunity cost of spending time on useless ritual. \u00a0No worse and no better than knocking on wood.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2011\/11\/church-of-nativity09.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1062\" title=\"church-of-nativity09\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2011\/11\/church-of-nativity09-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There are legitimate scary type-A practices. \u00a0The readiest example I have is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2011\/11\/07\/us\/deaths-put-focus-on-pastors-advocacy-of-spanking.html?pagewanted=all\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Michael and Debi Pearl\u2019s biblically-inspired spanking regimen<\/a> that has been linked to deaths and serious injury. \u00a0Also on the list: ex-gay reeducation camps.<\/p>\n<p>Then there are a fair number of type-Bs. \u00a0I can certainly imagine that requiring yourself to discuss your transgressions with someone else keeps you honest and can help you get out of the hole (provided the sins on your church\u2019s list are actually harmful). \u00a0When I <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/01\/other-thoughts-on-prayer.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">experimented with prayer<\/a>, I learned to be better about wanting other people\u2019s good, not just my own. \u00a0But these salutary effects are in the B-block because I don\u2019t think they depend on religion being true to work. \u00a0After all, as I pointed out after the Lenten prayer experience, my quasi-Kantianism was <em>so<\/em> wrong that you didn\u2019t have to be all that correct to be able to spot my error.<\/p>\n<p>I suspect Feser wants me to put \u2018ritual\u2019 broadly defined into type-C, but I don\u2019t buy it. \u00a0Although atheists are still arguing about what <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/10\/high-octane-ritual.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">atheist ritual<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/10\/atheism-anarchism-and-authority.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">secular authority<\/a> should look like, there\u2019s no denying plenty of non-religious ritual has taken root and flourished. \u00a0Trust me that \u201cI love <a href=\"http:\/\/cty.jhu.edu\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">CTY<\/a> and I love the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realcty.org\/mw\/index.php?title=Passionfruit\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Passionfruit<\/a>\u201d will bring a certain subset of the geeky population to tears. \u00a0Secular ritual isn\u2019t an innovation, either. \u00a0Immigrant communities and trade associations formed tight-knit societies that incorporated shibboleths and ritual.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2011\/11\/passionfruit.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1068\" title=\"passionfruit\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2011\/11\/passionfruit-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>What makes religious ritual unique is its ability to be small-c catholic. \u00a0Anyone can be Catholic and walk into a church anywhere in the world and hear the same liturgy (though, with my weak French, it was hard to pick out anything but the set-in-stone phrases when I attended Mass in Notre Dame). \u00a0That universalism is something secular ritual can\u2019t match and is the closest anything comes to type-C practise.<\/p>\n<p>But we\u2019re already losing it. \u00a0And this isn\u2019t a case of mo\u2019dernity, mo\u2019problems; the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=dt5AJr0wls0\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">balkanization of Christianity started a long time ago<\/a>. \u00a0At this point, to get into type-C, an atheist would have to wish to actively roll back the Reformation and put the Church at the center of life. \u00a0I\u2019d like it if there were a universal center to life and if people had the kind of common frame of reference and language that the KJV used to provide, but I can\u2019t try to build all that around something I believe to be false.<\/p>\n<p>The real answer is probably that the population is too large to sustain a universal core culture. \u00a0Technically, the problem is that the population is too large and that there\u2019s not a universal measure of distance. \u00a0I can be connected to people arbitrarily far away so it\u2019s hard to build up communities. \u00a0I\u2019m still not sure what the solution is.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2011\/11\/nisbet.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1066\" title=\"nisbet\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2011\/11\/nisbet-215x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"215\" height=\"300\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1935191500\/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=unequyoked-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399369&amp;creativeASIN=1935191500\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">#I\u2019veGot99ProblemsandNisbetRepresentsaSignificantProportionofSaidProblems<\/a><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today, I\u2019m returning to Edward Feser\u2019s typology of atheism. \u00a0Monday, I took a look at ways atheists approach religious philosophy, today the focus is on responses to religious practice. \u00a0Here\u2019s how Feser splits up atheists: A. 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