{"id":10806,"date":"2015-01-08T14:31:13","date_gmt":"2015-01-08T19:31:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/?p=10806"},"modified":"2015-01-08T14:49:26","modified_gmt":"2015-01-08T19:49:26","slug":"throwing-spaghetti-at-the-modern-dating-wall","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2015\/01\/throwing-spaghetti-at-the-modern-dating-wall.html","title":{"rendered":"Throwing Spaghetti at the Modern Dating Wall"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><figure id=\"attachment_10851\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-10851\" style=\"width: 290px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Lawrence_Alma-Tadema_Courtship_-_The_Proposal.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-10851\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2015\/01\/Lawrence_Alma-Tadema_Courtship_-_The_Proposal-952x1024.jpg\" alt=\"Lawrence Alma-Tadema's The Proposal\" width=\"290\" height=\"312\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-10851\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Maybe if we just started *all* wearing diaphanous gowns, the problems would resolve themselves<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p><p>I\u2019ve been seeing a fair amount in my feeds (both RSS and social media) about the Perils Of Flirting, and how to navigate them of late.<\/p>\n<p>Everything from a married friend mentioning that she gives positive feedback to the people who flirt with her\u00a0<em>well<\/em> without noticing her ring, because she wants to encourage positive public flirting to a\u00a0<em>lot<\/em> of internet discussion of the professor who shared how his anxiety about having\u00a0<em>any<\/em> appropriate way to approach women drove him to (a) consider suicide and (b) ask his doctor about chemical castration, to purge the sexuality he imagined was too dangerous to grapple with.<\/p>\n<p>Part of my takeaway from all this has been:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Socially, the onus is still mostly on dudes to initiate relationships<\/li>\n<li>A lot of common approaches are\u00a0<em>really<\/em> unpleasant for women, particularly when they happen\u00a0<em>constantly<\/em><\/li>\n<li>There aren\u2019t a lot of\u00a0<em>safe<\/em> scripts available for men or women acting in good-faith to use<\/li>\n<li>And everyone is unhappy<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>A lot of the blogging has seemed to be about who is\u00a0<em>more<\/em> unhappy about all of this, but my systemizing strengths don\u2019t lie there \u2014 I\u2019m better at coming up with ways to bizarrely formalize normal social interactions, so I figure that\u2019s what I should contribute to this conversation.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_10852\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-10852\" style=\"width: 343px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Courtship#mediaviewer\/File:Gerard_ter_Borch_(II)_-_The_Suitor%27s_Visit_-_WGA22125.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-10852\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2015\/01\/1024px-Gerard_ter_Borch_II_-_The_Suitors_Visit_-_WGA22125-966x1024.jpg\" alt=\"The Suitor's Visit, by Gerard ter Borch\" width=\"343\" height=\"364\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-10852\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Or maybe the solution is ruffs? I mean, has anyone <em>checked<\/em>?<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>I should add as caveats that these are not actually guaranteed \u201csafe\u201d ways to ask people out\u00a0<em>and<\/em> that I, personally, prefer to ask people out by giving them books I think they\u2019ll disagree with and then scheduling an argument, so I am not really a credible authority on how to date. \u00a0But, I\u2019m hoping that the way folks disagree with me will be to suggest\/try out other models, however odd, since people seem pretty unhappy with the status quo.<\/p>\n<p>So, here are some possible improvements\/ideas stolen from successful approaches to other social difficulties.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Clarifying Communication Status<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>At autism conferences, it\u2019s been getting more common to use <a href=\"http:\/\/autisticadvocacy.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/02\/ColorCommunicationBadges.pdf\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Color Communication Badges<\/a>, to make it easy to indicate whether you want to speak to other people or not. \u00a0The green-yellow-red badges let other attendees know whether you\u2019re ok with being approached by strangers, only people you already know, or no one. \u00a0It\u2019s not far off from the old <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Handkerchief_code\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">hankerchief codes<\/a>, but everything being signaled is PG.<\/p>\n<p>Facebook relationship statuses\u00a0<em>kinda<\/em> work this way, in that\u00a0<em>usually<\/em> putting \u201cin a relationship\u201d up indicates \u201cRED\u201d to people who would otherwise ask you out. \u00a0But maybe it\u2019s worth thinking about more formal ways to signal (and respect signals) that you do or don\u2019t want to be approached than putting headphones in for \u201cNo\u201d and stomping around singing <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=H-gfxjAaZg0\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201c29\/31\u201d<\/a> for \u201cYes.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Like the autism communication badges, this is something to test-run at a specific event or within a small social group. \u00a0If you do organize a conference or whatnot where you think it\u2019s plausible people want to be able to invite and ward off amorous advances, maybe try something out on an opt-in basis.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Information Escrow<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>I think this is what makes dating apps like Hinge popular. \u00a0Hinge shows you a certain number of people per day, and you can\u00a0<em>only<\/em> chat with someone if you\u00a0<em>both<\/em> indicate interest. \u00a0If either person passes upon seeing a profile, no communication is possible. \u00a0This makes it a bit easier to indicate interest, since there will be no awkward brushoff if the other person demurs\u2013you\u2019ll just never speak to them again.<\/p>\n<p>Hinge uses escrow to connect strangers, but I\u2019ve also seen this system used among friends, where you could indicate you had a \u201ccrush\u201d on someone, but they would only find out if they also \u201ccrushed\u201d on you. \u00a0No danger of revealing reciprocated affection, and no danger of both people staying silent in some O. Henry like way forever.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps try using\/promoting\/building these systems more often. \u00a0(Hook it into <a href=\"https:\/\/getyourcrushon.wordpress.com\/about\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Tell Your Crush Day<\/a>, if you want). \u00a0Or use the next suggestion as an escrow-creator.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Indirection and Yentas<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>It\u00a0<em>is<\/em> hard to figure out how to brush someone off nicely, especially when, like me and a whole bunch of my friends, polite or indirect demurrals have been treated as a cue to ramp up. \u00a0So, it seems safest to\u00a0<em>me<\/em> to brush people off\u00a0<em>harder<\/em>, or to just straight up\u00a0<em>leave<\/em> (I\u2019ve switched subway cars at the next station a fair number of times, and I\u2019m sure I will again). \u00a0There\u2019s some subset of people I\u2019d probably\u00a0<em>like<\/em> being approached by, but, since my hackles are up by default (playing the odds on that one), I\u2019m not in a mood to be very receptive and the person approaching me has more reason to be anxious.<\/p>\n<p>So\u00a0<em>don\u2019t approach people directly<\/em>. \u00a0Go with the time honored yenta-recruiting method, where you ask a mutual friend about the prospects of your suit\/to sound out your intended\/etc. \u00a0Just don\u2019t flip out like Claudio when your Don Pedro goes to work.<\/p>\n<p>Because everything in the initial stages happens through a neutral intermediary, the stakes are lower for the asker and the askee \u2014 who doesn\u2019t need to think \u201cWhat am I doing with my\u00a0<em>face<\/em>? \u00a0Is it the right thing?\u201d\u00a0<em>while<\/em> deciding how ze feels about this whole prospect. \u00a0Indirection also means that you can check if the person you\u2019d like to approach is interested in being approached\u00a0<em>at all<\/em>\u00a0(if you\u2019re not doing the explicit visual cues bit from suggestion one) when your intermediary can first check if the person is interested in being asked out by proxy\u00a0<em>at all<\/em> before they indicate that it was you who sent them.<\/p>\n<p>You can also recruit yenta-friends to set you up with people not-of-your-choosing, and then, if the date fizzles, it\u2019s not either of your faults \u2014 your matchmaker just made the wrong pairing.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Talking About Successful Failure<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>Blaming the yenta is\u00a0<em>one<\/em>\u00a0way to talk about a date that both didn\u2019t go anywhere\u00a0<em>and<\/em> didn\u2019t reflect badly on either of the people on it. \u00a0It\u2019s probably useful to have\u00a0<em>more<\/em> ways to talk about unsuccessful approaches\/relationships as non-shameful. \u00a0I\u2019ve dated two guys I didn\u2019t marry, and I wouldn\u2019t refer to either of them as a failed\/unsuccessful relationship. \u00a0We got to know each other better, delighted in each other, helped each other grow in virtue, and successfully discerned whether it made sense to continue along the path to marriage. \u00a0Hurrah! \u00a0I\u2019m very glad (and lucky) to have gone out with these guys, but I\u2019m\u00a0<em>also<\/em> glad that I\u2019m not currently preventing them from finding the people they\u00a0<em>will<\/em> marry, since it wouldn\u2019t make sense for either of them to marry me.<\/p>\n<p>I think we don\u2019t tell stories about breaking up being good for both people often enough (or at least, not in the first person \u2014 being\u00a0<em>told<\/em>\u00a0it was good for you to be broken up with is not really the same thing), and I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve ever heard a friend tell a story about approaching someone and being turned down as\u00a0<em>good<\/em>. \u00a0(I\u2019ve only heard one person speak about turning people down as a positive experience for both \u2014 it\u2019s the married friend mentioned at the top of this post).<\/p>\n<p>Creating positive scripts\/stories around unsuccessfully asking people out could lower the anxiety level a little for both parties and make it easier to build a better approach in the first place.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I\u2019ve been seeing a fair amount in my feeds (both RSS and social media) about the Perils Of Flirting, and how to navigate them of late. 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