{"id":110,"date":"2011-06-23T11:15:00","date_gmt":"2011-06-23T11:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/06\/guestblogging-challenge-take-the-ideological-turing-test\/"},"modified":"2012-10-09T11:07:49","modified_gmt":"2012-10-09T15:07:49","slug":"guestblogging-challenge-take-the-ideological-turing-test","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/06\/guestblogging-challenge-take-the-ideological-turing-test.html","title":{"rendered":"Guestblogging Challenge: Take the Ideological Turing Test!"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-qvbmXmeXNlA\/TgMx32EeNyI\/AAAAAAAABdU\/CL4-875pgIM\/s1600\/butting+heads.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-qvbmXmeXNlA\/TgMx32EeNyI\/AAAAAAAABdU\/CL4-875pgIM\/s400\/butting+heads.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p><strong>UPDATE: <\/strong>Two Christians have contacted me to tell me they\u2019re interested. \u00a0Please suggest format ideas for us to talk over and let me know if you\u2019d like to join in!<\/p>\n<p>While picking a fight with Paul Krugman, Bryan Caplan came up with an interesting idea. Both Caplan and Krugman thought that, on average, their own side of the libertarian\/liberal split had done a better job considering the other side\u2019s ideas before rejecting them. Inspired by the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Turing_test\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Turing Test for machine intelligence<\/a>*, Caplan proposed an <a href=\"http:\/\/econlog.econlib.org\/archives\/2011\/06\/the_ideological.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">ideological Turing Test<\/a> as follows:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Here\u2019s just one approach. Put me and five random liberal social science Ph.D.s in a chat room. Let liberal readers ask questions for an hour, then vote on who isn\u2019t really a liberal. Then put Krugman and five random libertarian social science Ph.D.s in a chat room. Let libertarian readers ask questions for an hour, then vote on who isn\u2019t really a libertarian. Simple as that.<\/p>\n<p>My challenge: Nail down the logistics, and I\u2019ll happily bet money that I fool more voters than Krugman. Indeed, I\u2019ll happily bet that any libertarian with a Ph.D. from a top-10 social science program can fool more voters than Krugman. We learn his worldview as part of the curriculum. He learns ours in his spare time \u2013 if he chooses to spare it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I\u2019m completely in agreement with both Caplan and Krugman about the need to be able to understand the arguments of the other side, both in order to be better prepared to rebut them, but also as a guard against sticking to your own side out of ignorance and pride. (In fact, this was the crux of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.yaledailynews.com\/news\/2011\/apr\/28\/libresco-know-your-foes-know-yourself\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">my final column for <em>The Yale Daily News<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>One of the greatest gifts of my time at Yale has been living, writing, and arguing in a community of smart people with whom I fiercely disagree\u2026 The imitation test has helped me make sure I really understood what I was rejecting and, in the end, embracing.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Unless your enemies are purposefully contrarian (and I\u2019ve met more than a few of those here) there is something they find uniquely compelling about their ideology. To imitate them, you need to know what that is and understand why it moves people. It doesn\u2019t matter if the benefits of an ideology are outweighed by its drawbacks; unless you can recognize the good as good, no partisan will ever trust your analysis of their creed.<\/p>\n<p>And, unless you\u2019re uncommonly brilliant and perceptive, it will do you a lot of good to confront the merits of the other side. Just because your position is better on net than your opponent\u2019s doesn\u2019t mean there aren\u2019t some pretty hefty costs to the legislation you yourself endorse.<\/p>\n<table class=\"tr-caption-container\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" align=\"center\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-EE47_jnB3nc\/TgNNqvwfAMI\/AAAAAAAABdY\/L8VmuJpU4Oo\/s1600\/glove_slap.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-EE47_jnB3nc\/TgNNqvwfAMI\/AAAAAAAABdY\/L8VmuJpU4Oo\/s1600\/glove_slap.jpg\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"tr-caption\" style=\"text-align: center;\">The best throwing-down-the-gauntlet photo I could find.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Just like Caplan, I\u2019d like to put my money where my mouth is and play in an Ideological Turing Test against a Christian blogger. We could both answer a selection of questions posed by Christians and atheists or we could each write an argument for and against the side we support and then briefly rebut the two arguments the other one had produced. I\u2019m flexible and open to suggestions.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m certainly not a particularly authoritative atheist, so I don\u2019t think a victory for either side <em>proves<\/em> anything. I think it\u2019s a good exercise to make sure we know what we\u2019re trying to oppose and I imagine the posts would provide good fodder for later argument and discussion. If you\u2019re interested, comment below or drop me a line at leahDOTlibrescoATgmailDOTcom. Even if you don\u2019t want to participate, I\u2019d appreciate it if you threw up a link at your blog, to help me recruit a Christian sparring partner.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>*<em>As a fun, semi-related bonus, I have to include a link to <\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/magazine\/archive\/2011\/03\/mind-vs-machine\/8386\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Brian Christian\u2019s article \u201cMan vs. Machine\u201d<\/a><em> in The Atlantic. \u00a0He participated in a Turing test for conversation bots as one of the human ringers the computers had to beat. \u00a0It\u2019s a great article and he\u2019s written a book <\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0385533063\/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=unequyoked-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399373&amp;creativeASIN=0385533063\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Most Human Human<\/a><em> using the experience as a launching point into neuropsych and philosophy.<\/em><\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4256452356987023523-2176758368831085576?l=www.unequally-yoked.com\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>UPDATE: Two Christians have contacted me to tell me they\u2019re interested. \u00a0Please suggest format ideas for us to talk over and let me know if you\u2019d like to join in! 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