{"id":120,"date":"2011-06-10T01:26:00","date_gmt":"2011-06-10T01:26:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/06\/7-quick-takes-61011\/"},"modified":"2012-10-08T17:04:56","modified_gmt":"2012-10-08T21:04:56","slug":"7-quick-takes-61011","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/06\/7-quick-takes-61011.html","title":{"rendered":"7 Quick Takes (6\/10\/11)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.conversiondiary.com\/2011\/06\/7-quick-takes-friday-vol-130.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"height: 195px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; text-align: center; width: 290px;\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_b7Eh98KJ_qI\/TAmk4R2TaNI\/AAAAAAAAA-4\/3o9c7AYC5Cw\/s320\/7_quick_takes_sm.jpg\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size: x-large;\">\u20131\u2013<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<p>It\u2019s been a very active commenting week here, which is exciting, but a little frustrating to me, since I\u2019m packing\/organizing in preparation for my DC move, and it limits my ability to respond as much as I\u2019d like. \u00a0Happily, commenters are frequently picking up the slack. \u00a0When I asked a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/2011\/06\/stemming-knowledge-drain.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">question about Christian epistemology<\/a>\u00a0(inspired by a Yudkowsky post), <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.mtshafer.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Matt Shafer<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/moralmindfield.wordpress.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Brian Green<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/04644525459910973391\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Kevin<\/a> all graciously offered explanations of their beliefs and answered some questions. \u00a0Thanks!<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, during a series of posts about trying to maintain an appropriate tone during interfaith dialogue, a couple conversations got ugly in the threads, so, later today, I\u2019ll have a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/2011\/06\/keeping-civil-tongue.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">dedicated post on commenting expectations<\/a> for the blog. \u00a0<strong>I\u2019m still not censoring comments<\/strong>\u00a0(unless they\u2019re irrelevant spam), so there won\u2019t be any threat to back up my request, but I hope it\u2019ll calm things down a bit anyway.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size: x-large;\">\u20132\u2013<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<p>Oh, and speaking of Eliezer Yudkowsky (rationality researcher and author of my favorite fanfic \u2013 <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.fanfiction.net\/s\/5782108\/1\/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_of_Rationality\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality<\/a><\/em>), I\u2019ve been starting to catch up with the <a href=\"http:\/\/commonsenseatheism.com\/?p=13052\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">read-all-of-Yudkowsky project<\/a> coordinated by <a href=\"http:\/\/commonsenseatheism.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Luke of Common Sense Atheism<\/a>. \u00a0I\u2019d like to recommend two linked posts for anyone who\u2019s fond of a good thought experiment. \u00a0In <a href=\"http:\/\/lesswrong.com\/lw\/h5\/archimedess_chronophone\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Archimedes\u2019s Chronophone<\/a>, Yudkowsky asks what you would say to Archimedes, provided you were using the phone that he\u2019s placed some strange limitations on:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, Archimedes\u2019s chronophone comes with certain restrictions upon its use: It cannot transmit information that is, in a certain sense, \u201ctoo anachronistic\u201d.<br>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-ojq641-qzCQ\/TfGiksRr0lI\/AAAAAAAABbs\/gZO3zoaw_Yc\/s1600\/ear+trumpet.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-ojq641-qzCQ\/TfGiksRr0lI\/AAAAAAAABbs\/gZO3zoaw_Yc\/s1600\/ear+trumpet.jpg\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><br>\nYou cannot suggest, for example, that women should have the vote. Maybe you could persuade Archimedes of Syracuse of the issue, and maybe not; but it is a moot point, the chronophone will not transmit the advice. Or rather, it will transmit the advice, but it will come out as: \u201cInstall a tyrant of great personal virtue, such as Hiero II, under whose rule Syracuse experienced fifty years of peace and prosperity.\u201d That\u2019s how the chronophone avoids transmitting overly anachronistic information \u2013 it transmits <em>cognitive strategies<\/em> rather than words. If you follow the policy of \u201cCheck my brain\u2019s memory to see what my contemporary culture recommends as a wise form of political organization\u201d, what comes out of the chronophone is the result of Archimedes following the same policy of looking up in his brain what his era lauds as a wise form of political organization.<\/p>\n<p>You might think the next step would be to prepare a careful series of Plato-style philosophical arguments, starting from known territory, and intended to convince an impartial audience, with which to persuade Archimedes that all sentient beings should be equal before the law. Unfortunately, if you try this, what comes out on Archimedes\u2019s end is a careful series of Plato-style philosophical analogies which argue that wealthy male landowners should have special privileges. You followed the policy of \u201cCome up with a line of philosophical argument intended to persuade a neutral observer to my own era\u2019s point of view on political privilege,\u201d so what comes out of the chronophone is what Archimedes would think up if he followed the same cognitive strategy.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The goal is to think about what cognitive strategies will be most likely to let you transcend the errors of your time, and then start planning how to adopt them. \u00a0Yudkowsky has\u00a0further\u00a0ideas and critiques of some proposed solutions in <a href=\"http:\/\/lesswrong.com\/lw\/h6\/chronophone_motivations\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">his follow-up post<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size: x-large;\">\u20133\u2013<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<p>Looking over my queued up links, it looks like this week\u2019s Quick Takes are going to be a new looks\/new information on recent posts themed. \u00a0So, to match the arguments about free will that broke out on \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/2011\/05\/sam-harris-psychopaths-and-moral.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Sam Harris, Psychopaths, and Moral Culpability<\/a>,\u201d I\u2019d like to offer a link to a post of the topic <a href=\"http:\/\/www.samharris.org\/blog\/item\/you-do-not-choose-what-you-choose\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">straight from the Horseman\u2019s mouth<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>As I have argued, however, the problem is not merely that free will makes no sense objectively (i.e. when our thoughts and actions are viewed from a third-person point of view); it makes no sense subjectively either. And it is quite possible to notice this, through introspection.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, I will now perform an experiment in free will for all to see: I will write anything I want for the rest of this blog post. Whatever I write is, of course, something I have chosen to write. No one has compelled to do this. No one has assigned me a topic or demanded that I use certain words. I can be ungrammatical, if I pleased. And if I want to put a rabbit in this sentence, I am free to do it.<\/p>\n<p>But paying attention to my stream of consciousness reveals that this notion of freedom does not reach very deep. Where did this \u201crabbit\u201d come from? Why didn\u2019t I put an \u201celephant\u201d in that sentence? I do not know. Was I free to do otherwise? This is a strange, and strangely vacuous, question.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There\u2019s more, but I found it to be a strange and strangely vacuous argument.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<div style=\"font-weight: normal;\"><strong><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size: x-large;\">\u20134\u2013<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>A post written in response to a First Things On the Square essay (\u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.firstthings.com\/onthesquare\/2011\/06\/christian-parents-and-the-hpv-vaccine\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Christian Parents and the HPV Vaccine<\/a>\u201c) ended up shifting in the comments section from a discussion of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/2011\/06\/call-him-voldemort.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">rhetoric surrounding sexual sin<\/a> to a debate about medical ethics and informed consent.<\/p>\n<p>Do y\u2019all want a full-fledged post from me on that topic? \u00a0As you may recall, this question was at the heart of paper number four on my list of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/2011\/06\/call-him-voldemort.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">favorite papers I wrote in college<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<div style=\"font-weight: normal; text-align: center;\"><strong><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size: x-large;\">\u20135\u2013<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<p>At the end of yesterday\u2019s post on my struggles and tactics <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/2011\/06\/trying-to-love-my-enemies_09.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">trying to love my enemies<\/a>, I mentioned <a href=\"https:\/\/sindeloke.wordpress.com\/2010\/01\/13\/37\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a blog post<\/a> in a throwaway comment about\u00a0privilege, but it\u00a0deserves\u00a0more notice than that, so I wanted to highlight it here. \u00a0It\u2019s a <a href=\"https:\/\/sindeloke.wordpress.com\/2010\/01\/13\/37\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">compact summary of how\u00a0privilege\u00a0can manifest<\/a> without the person who benefits from ingrained and\/or arbitrary circumstance realizing they\u2019re victimizing someone else. \u00a0Reflecting on how\u00a0privilege\u00a0works can help you avoid harming others.<\/p>\n<p>Notice how my explanation above was kind of stilted and confusing? \u00a0 Most discussions of\u00a0privilege\u00a0are, but not <a href=\"https:\/\/sindeloke.wordpress.com\/2010\/01\/13\/37\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the one I\u2019ve linked<\/a>, so please check it out.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<div style=\"font-weight: normal; text-align: center;\"><strong><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size: x-large;\">\u20136\u2013<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<p>I\u2019m stretching for the theme here, but since I mentioned Ted Haggard\u2019s painfully awkward cameo in the pro-abstinence, low budget film I shared in last week\u2019s Quick Takes, I think that\u2019s enough of an excuse to link to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gq.com\/news-politics\/newsmakers\/201102\/pastor-ted-haggard\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Kevin Roose\u2019s profile of Haggard in GQ<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>(Kevin Roose is the author of <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B004Z4M3SE\/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=unequyoked-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217153&amp;creative=399701&amp;creativeASIN=B004Z4M3SE\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Unlikely Disciple: A Sinner\u2019s Semester at America\u2019s Holiest University<\/a><\/em>, which I read and enjoyed <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/2011\/06\/call-him-voldemort.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">earlier this week<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<div style=\"font-weight: normal; text-align: center;\"><strong><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size: x-large;\">\u20137\u2013<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<p>And since that was two callbacks in that last take, here\u2019s something completely new: a\u00a0beautiful\u00a0steampunk music video. \u00a0(h\/t <a href=\"http:\/\/steamfashion.livejournal.com\/3119203.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Steampunk Fashion<\/a>)<\/p>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=5IuQRrPYzIw\">http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=5IuQRrPYzIw<\/a>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>[Seven Quick Takes is a blog carnival run by Jen of\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.conversiondiary.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Conversion Diary<\/a>]<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" 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