{"id":1406,"date":"2012-01-03T19:11:31","date_gmt":"2012-01-04T00:11:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/?p=1406"},"modified":"2012-11-30T11:28:58","modified_gmt":"2012-11-30T16:28:58","slug":"its-utilitarianism-all-the-way-down","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/01\/its-utilitarianism-all-the-way-down.html","title":{"rendered":"It&#8217;s Utilitarianism All the Way Down?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" title=\"Turtles all the way down\" src=\"https:\/\/somethinghappens.keenspot.com\/comics\/sh20070531.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"504\" height=\"353\"><\/p>\n<p>In the recent thread on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/12\/human-approximations-of-morality.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">human-independent morality<\/a>, Ash <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/12\/human-approximations-of-morality.html#comment-6744\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">had a question<\/a> for me and <a href=\"http:\/\/bigthink.com\/blogs\/daylight-atheism\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Adam Lee<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I\u2019m curious if you both consider morality in the way that Harris and Carrier do, as a means to achieve maximum well-being and minimum suffering. Speaking for myself, this is the only way I can see morality being objective. I agree with Harris that there might not be any one single moral \u201ccode\u201d that can achieve a given end in this framework, but that one can nevertheless describe all such codes as either promoting or preventing well-being, which is an objective question.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So, one of the biggest problems I had with Harris <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/01\/taking-a-wrong-turn-in-the-moral-landscape.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">when I read <em>The Moral Landscape<\/em><\/a> is that defining moral codes as good or bad insofar as they promote well-being doesn\u2019t actually help me categorize them. \u00a0Unless I\u2019m a <a href=\"http:\/\/dresdencodak.com\/2009\/01\/27\/advanced-dungeons-and-discourse\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Dark Kantian<\/a>, \u2018well-being\u2019 is exactly what I\u2019m trying to define when I\u2019m trying to pick moral actions, so saying I should pick moral systems that maximize it is tautological. \u00a0If there were ever a phrase that needed to be <a href=\"http:\/\/lesswrong.com\/lw\/nu\/taboo_your_words\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">tabooed\u2026<\/a><\/p>\n<p>So if you want to start defining well-being, you need to start by talking about your metric. \u00a0Is it dopamine release and subsequent subjective feelings of pleasure? \u00a0Congratulations! \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0060850523\/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=unequyoked-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0060850523\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Aldous Huxley will meet you<\/a> with your dose of <em>soma<\/em> behind Door Number One.<\/p>\n<p>Are our subjective\u00a0preferences\u00a0untrustworthy since we can honestly want something we don\u2019t really want? \u00a0Probably! \u00a0Is this a defeater for living by objective moral codes? \u00a0 Not necessarily. \u00a0After all, our perceptions of the physical world are unreliable and <a href=\"http:\/\/lesswrong.com\/lw\/pc\/quantum_explanations\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">our intuitions need revamping<\/a>. \u00a0Our causal reasoning is <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_cognitive_biases\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">arguably worse<\/a>, but we still believe we can fumble our way to a less wrong map of the world around us. \u00a0We hope that we can identify and compensate for our moral blind spots just as we do for other built-in errors.<\/p>\n<p>But, in moral matters, the difficult question is how we notice when we get caught in an error. \u00a0There\u2019s no test you can fail as easily as the buying a lottery ticket\/not clicking your seatbelt error for\u00a0gauging\u00a0risk.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2012\/01\/rightwrong.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1419\" title=\"rightwrong\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2012\/01\/rightwrong.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"235\" height=\"282\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Since I\u2019m a virtue ethicist, I would say that one marker of a bad moral choice is if it makes you feel less attached to other moral opinions you previously thought of as very important, <em>particularly<\/em> if you feel less attached to your old principles because they would damn your recent actions. \u00a0I\u2019d also tag as questionable any choice that puts your further away from recognizing the consequences of your actions as attributable to you. \u00a0(i.e. any decision that leads you to say \u201cWell, this way my hands are clean\u201d isn\u2019t necessarily a <em>bad<\/em> choice, but it merits increased scrutiny).<\/p>\n<p>When it comes to moral philosophy, there seems to be a strong preference for a Grand Unified Theory. \u00a0I am frequently told by atheist and Christian friends that my views on morality would be more logically consistent if I converted and were able to say something like \u201cthe <em>telos<\/em> of humans <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2010\/07\/here-i-am-dressing-up-as-christ.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">is to become Christlike<\/a>\u201d instead of \u201cthe <em>telos<\/em> is to develop and improve character in a lot of complex ways that are hard to synthesize into a general rule that remains a helpful guide in a lot of situations so I calls \u2019em as I sees them and try to backpropogate wherever I can.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s one thing for Christians to prefer the simpler formulation, since they also believe the underlying metaphysics are true, but I find it infuriating when my nonbelieving friends think I should pick a simpler system that I don\u2019t have confidence in over the hodge-podge of specific rules I do find compelling. \u00a0I shouldn\u2019t get off the hook, but it seems unreasonable to praise people for adopting <a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=p7UEAQAAIAAJ&amp;dq=orthodoxy%20chesterton&amp;pg=PA32#v=onepage&amp;q=%22the%20madman's%20explanation%22&amp;f=false\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">very unified systems that seem to give wrong results<\/a> (like objectivism or nihilism) instead of admitting there\u2019s still work to be done.<\/p>\n<p>Physicists haven\u2019t got to a Grand Unified Theory yet, and their profession has a good deal more consensus on what evidence looks like than philosophy does.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the recent thread on human-independent morality, Ash had a question for me and Adam Lee: I\u2019m curious if you both consider morality in the way that Harris and Carrier do, as a means to achieve maximum well-being and minimum suffering. 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