{"id":205,"date":"2011-03-01T09:44:00","date_gmt":"2011-03-01T09:44:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/03\/necessary-responses\/"},"modified":"2012-09-21T14:25:31","modified_gmt":"2012-09-21T18:25:31","slug":"necessary-responses","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/03\/necessary-responses.html","title":{"rendered":"Necessary Responses"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/lh4.googleusercontent.com\/-N0J0VxKcp4U\/TWynwTECIxI\/AAAAAAAABTA\/4ivVLunvbrM\/s1600\/convo1.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh4.googleusercontent.com\/-N0J0VxKcp4U\/TWynwTECIxI\/AAAAAAAABTA\/4ivVLunvbrM\/s400\/convo1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"200\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Yesterday\u2019s post on necessary evils drew two responses, one from Rust Belt Philosophy, one from Alex Knapp, whose post I was originally commenting on. \u00a0I plan to respond to at least one of them today but not until I do some studying for my epidemiology exam tomorrow morning, so use the morning to check out their thoughts and browse their blogs. Here\u2019s one quote from each:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/ordinary-gentlemen.com\/alexknapp\/2011\/03\/01\/necessary-evils-ctd\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Alex Knapp<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>And here\u2019s where Ms. Libresco loses me. It appears that she thinks that there is a problem in overcoming one\u2019s \u201cmoral instincts\u201d that is, in itself, immoral. I have to problems with this. First \u2014 what the hell are moral instincts? While it\u2019s true that human beings appear to have, in some preliminary experiments, a certain sense of fairness and other ethical principles that at the current time appears to be inborn, the fact that one has those feelings does not make them moral per se. After all, humans also appear to have an instinctive distrust of other humans who aren\u2019t members of the same tribe, race, etc. By what standard does Ms. Libresco apply the label \u201cmoral\u201d to some instincts, but not to others?<\/p>\n<p>Furthermore, Ms. Libresco also describes herself as believing in virtue ethics \u2014 which runs absolutely counter to the idea of inborn moral instincts! In virtue ethics, the virtues have to be cultivated. More to the point, assuming that Ms. Libresco follows the traditional Aristotelian virtues, this seems to be a textbook case for the need to develop the virtue of Fortitude, right? The ability to do the right thing in the face of shame, public disparagement, personal feeling, etc. is central to virtue ethics. Indeed, I believe that Thomas Aquinas named it one of the four cardinal virtues.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rustbeltphilosophy.blogspot.com\/2011\/02\/small-correction-re-consequentialism.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Rust Belt Philosophy<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>For Knapp, the issue is that he apparently ignores the possibility that a person might have only (very) bad choices. In his thinking, necessary evils always end up producing \u201ca greater good\u201d \u2013 that is, they produce a good. But this is not the only kind of necessary evil: sometimes it\u2019s also the case that a person has to do something very wrong (that is, on consequentialism, something that produces very bad consequences) because all of the other available options will be still more wrong (that is, produce still worse consequences). This seems to have occurred to Libresco \u2013 she does reference the concept of a \u201cleast bad choice,\u201d at least \u2013 but then she goes and conflates adverbial morality (how one acts) with, and I can\u2019t believe that this isn\u2019t a real word,* verbial morality (what one does). An evil, I think it makes the most sense to say, is something that we do \u2013 murder, for instance, or showing a Carrot Top stand-up special to one\u2019s relatives. One can act evilly as well, of course, but acting evilly needn\u2019t produce an evil: you could try to show your relatives a stand-up special of Carrot Top\u2019s but accidentally put in the wrong DVD, say. Plus, the phrase isn\u2019t \u201ca necessary evilly\u201d and so I find this response to be less than compelling. Whatever the connections between immoral actions and acting immorally, the two are at least conceptually different.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The discussion seems to be headed towards <em>Isn\u2019t deontology or virtue ethics really consequentialism with a particular\u00a0consequence chosen as the good?<\/em>\u00a0\u00a0Excellent for me, since I\u2019ve been having that argument offline a lot frequently, and I\u2019ve noticed it bubbling up in some of the comments threads. \u00a0Looking forward to addressing it after a study break.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4256452356987023523-8738477008556743639?l=www.unequally-yoked.com\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday\u2019s post on necessary evils drew two responses, one from Rust Belt Philosophy, one from Alex Knapp, whose post I was originally commenting on. \u00a0I plan to respond to at least one of them today but not until I do some studying for my epidemiology exam tomorrow morning, so use the morning to check out [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":127,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[48],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-205","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-morality-in-practice"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - 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