{"id":233,"date":"2011-02-03T03:09:00","date_gmt":"2011-02-03T03:09:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/02\/chesterton-aftermath-part-1\/"},"modified":"2012-09-15T20:17:38","modified_gmt":"2012-09-16T00:17:38","slug":"chesterton-aftermath-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/02\/chesterton-aftermath-part-1.html","title":{"rendered":"Chesterton Aftermath (Part 1)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_b7Eh98KJ_qI\/TUpfOZBr-bI\/AAAAAAAABP0\/4LaOV9bud4Y\/s1600\/calipers.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_b7Eh98KJ_qI\/TUpfOZBr-bI\/AAAAAAAABP0\/4LaOV9bud4Y\/s1600\/calipers.jpg\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Thanks for all the comments and questions that you\u2019ve left on my <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/2011\/02\/testing-truth-telling-thing.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Monday post on my attraction to G.K. Chesterton\u2019s <em>Orthodoxy<\/em><\/a>. \u00a0I\u2019m working my way through them and I anticipate that will be my main source of inspiration for posts this week and possibly next if your questions continue. \u00a0So here goes\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Matt asked a question that was aimed at the heart of my post:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It\u2019s weird to me that someone would use theology to substantiate their own claims about the world. Wouldn\u2019t you use investigation and reason to substantiate those claims?<\/p>\n<p>In other words, reason and empirical investigation are \u201ctruth-telling\u201d things, and they directly conflict with theological claims. I\u2019m surprised to read an atheist that values Lewis for anything other than his literary prowess. He was an absolutely horrid apologetic and most of his arguments were riddled with logical fallacies and faulty premises. His \u201cthree L\u2019s\u201d argument should be mandatory in any introduction to logical fallacies.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ok. So I\u2019m not going to defend <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lewis's_trilemma\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">C.S. Lewis\u2019s Mad, Bad, or God trichotomy<\/a>, which I also don\u2019t find logically compelling. \u00a0I\u2019m going to return later this week to the question (which others have asked) about <em>what<\/em>\u00a0specifically about Lewis\u2019s world view attracts me (in the meantime, check out the posts <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/search\/label\/CS%20Lewis\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">tagged C.S. Lewis<\/a>). \u00a0What I want to address is Matt\u2019s claim that empiricism and rationality are intrinsically opposed to and a negation of theological thinking.<\/p>\n<p>Theology is not prima facie irrational, or, at least, it\u2019s not\u00a0necessarily\u00a0any more rational than philosophy generally. \u00a0Some religious questions <em>can <\/em>be studied empirically (medical effect of prayer = pretty much zilch), some make empirical predictions that are hard to falsify and test (God was the force behind the Big Bang, Jesus turned water into wine at Cana), and some are outside the realm of empirics all together. \u00a0When religion and empirics intersect, I trust empiricism and the scientific method as my truth-telling thing.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, not all interesting questions fit into a this epistemological paradigm. \u00a0I <em>do <\/em>think of it as a truth-telling thing, but it\u2019s not <em>complete<\/em>. \u00a0There are true (or probably true) propositions that are unprovable using empiricism. \u00a0The actual existence of the physical world (contra the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Brain_in_a_vat\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">brain-in-a-vat<\/a>) is hard to prove according to my usual empiricist standard. \u00a0Also hard to pin down with empiricism alone: causality, absolute morality, and consciousness.<\/p>\n<p>These questions are too interesting to pass over in silence, so I have to make a choice. \u00a0I don\u2019t think empiricism negates or disproves these claims, so if I want to examine them, I\u2019ll need a new truth-telling mechanism. \u00a0It may be that these two schemata exist in non-overlapping magisteria, or I may need to figure out which one trumps the other. \u00a0But if I want to talk about them at all, I\u2019m going to need to tweak my epistemology.*<\/p>\n<p>*The last option is for me to decide that I am more sure that empiricism is the correct truth-telling thing than I am sure that morality exists and needs a truth-telling system that helps me examine it. \u00a0As you can guess, I\u2019m more confident in morality than the scope of empiricism.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4256452356987023523-2791316101280368167?l=www.unequally-yoked.com\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thanks for all the comments and questions that you\u2019ve left on my Monday post on my attraction to G.K. 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