{"id":24,"date":"2011-09-14T17:36:00","date_gmt":"2011-09-14T17:36:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/09\/dualism-and-descartess-demon\/"},"modified":"2012-11-05T00:45:33","modified_gmt":"2012-11-05T05:45:33","slug":"dualism-and-descartess-demon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/09\/dualism-and-descartess-demon.html","title":{"rendered":"Dualism and Descartes&#8217;s Demon"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>At the <em>National Catholic Register<\/em>, Frank Cronin has written a post titled, \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/daily-news\/atheism-quidditch-and-the-truth\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Atheism, Quidditch, and the Truth<\/a>.\u201d So that was enough linkbait alone to have me itching to write a post, but then, just to sweeten the deal, the whole thing turns out to be about dualism (which gives me a good opening to talk transhumanism). So let\u2019s get going.<\/p>\n<p>The <em>Harry Potter<\/em> reference in the title looks like it\u2019s just there for the search engines, since he uses Quidditch to lead in to his main theme: distinguishing fantasy from reality. Before I get to the substance of his argument, I\u2019m compelled to point out that Quidditch has <a href=\"http:\/\/www.internationalquidditch.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">some manifestations<\/a> in the real world. Cronin\u2019s definitions get a little long, so I\u2019m collapsing them below, but give him a fair shot and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/daily-news\/atheism-quidditch-and-the-truth\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">read his in full<\/a> (he refers to non-dualists as monists):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Monism sees all aspects of human consciousness as physical, biochemical events. Our personality, our will, our reason, our thoughts, our emotions, our morality are solely the product of neural activity, a collective concert of biochemical events in our brain that create these many psychological and cognitive experiences.<\/p>\n<p>For monists, every human experience we have is merely the byproduct of brain activity\u2026everything we experience, everything we hold dear are utterly and simply illusions generated by collective cellular events. Nothing more.<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 Now, in fairness to monists, they don\u2019t really live their life as if everything was a mirage. They generally live lives like most of us, within the bounds of common sense, reason and science. But their view of human consciousness does not justify or explain their ordinary, daily living. It is a view of consciousness that is impractical and inaccurate, as even their daily lives attest.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Cronin uses this accusation of hypocrisy as proof that monism is unsustainable and must be dismissed as fantasy. Then he pulls some very quick <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Fallacy_of_the_excluded_middle\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">excluded-middle<\/a> footwork to slide from talking about monists and dualists to <em>atheist<\/em> monists and <em>Catholic<\/em> dualists (\u201cEither the monistic atheist is right or the dualistic Catholic is right\u2026 The other must be a fantasy, a fabrication, a phony, fictitious faith\u201d). \u00a0So that\u2019s poor form in the conclusion, but I want to take a crack at the heart of the argument.<\/p>\n<p>I have extremely dualist instincts, but even I think this sounds like a strawman. The monists I know don\u2019t think the fact that their neurons are firing means their experience is illusion, and they\u2019d contest every use of similarly dismissive language (\u2018solely,\u2019 \u2018merely,\u2019 etc) in the excerpt above. The fact that human cognition and consciousness have a biological component (or are run entirely on wetware) does not necessarily diminish them. Let me use an example:<\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-GAu15ZXnXZ0\/TnEZyYzHeZI\/AAAAAAAABls\/0rpRNyN7Tcs\/s1600\/tms.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-GAu15ZXnXZ0\/TnEZyYzHeZI\/AAAAAAAABls\/0rpRNyN7Tcs\/s320\/tms.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"256\" height=\"231\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Technicians can use <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">transcranial magnetic stimulation<\/a> or <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">direct electrical stimulation<\/a> to affect clusters of neurons in the human brain. These brain-hacking techniques can trigger sensory experiences or can alleviate problems like <a href=\"http:\/\/www.reuters.com\/article\/2010\/05\/03\/us-magnetic-stimulation-idUSTRE6424W420100503\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">major depression<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mayoclinic.com\/health\/phantom-pain\/DS00444\/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">pain in phantom limbs<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>We tend to dismiss brain stim-mediated experiences as not <em>real<\/em> since the natural stimulus has been replaced by a person wielding a strange looking magnet. Cronin seems to think we should backslide from there to writing off any other subjective experience as illusory, since, at the biochemical level, the two may be indistinguishable. That\u2019s a bizarre stance for him to take as a Catholic (who is presumably not as prone to Gnostic heresies as I have been accused of being).<\/p>\n<p>Catholicism and materialists both put a lot of effort on people as embodied beings \u2013 our identities are inextricably entangled with the physical world. It shouldn\u2019t surprise anyone that physical stimuli affect us. I think the high-tech, science fictional feel of brain stimulation makes it harder for people to critically evaluate these philosophical arguments, so here\u2019s a more quotidian example.<\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-JKniQoFBGbk\/TnEd7HVMPlI\/AAAAAAAABlw\/HckI9pHqqZY\/s1600\/needle.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-JKniQoFBGbk\/TnEd7HVMPlI\/AAAAAAAABlw\/HckI9pHqqZY\/s1600\/needle.jpg\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>I live in a major metropolitan area, so, presumably, if I wanted to, I could get my hands on heroin, or some similar drug. Shooting up is crude way of manipulating biochemisty to produce euphoric feelings, and, just as in the case in electrical brain stimulation, we have an intuition that those feelings of happiness aren\u2019t valid or <em>earned<\/em>. But almost no one runs around saying the experience of drug users delegitimize romantic love, since it jacks you up on <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Oxytocin\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">oxytocin<\/a>. Heck, no one even goes so far as to tell me to stop claiming to \u2018enjoy\u2019 extremely dark chocolate since it\u2019s merely an illusion born of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Theobromine\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">theobromine<\/a>. (No one whose biochemisty makes them \u2018want\u2019 to live, anyway).<\/p>\n<p>Brain hacking stirs up the terror of Descartes \u2013 that a little demon is meddling with our sensory inputs. Cronin thinks the real problem for atheists is that they have no God-as-guarantor that our perceptions and feelings are still entangled with the external world. What brain stim, especially its clinical applications should teach him is that <em>no one<\/em> gets that kind of security. TMS is used to correct illusory feedback errors that aren\u2019t any more correct for arising \u2018naturally.\u2019 And even Catholics can be victims of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tinnitus\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">tinnitus<\/a>. On the plus side, they get to pick up a good rebuttal to the claim that <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Temporal_lobe_epilepsy#Temporal_Lobe_Epilepsy.2C_Neurotheology_and_Paranormal_Experience\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">temporal lobe epilepsy disproves religious ecstasy<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>So the real question is: how do you know which sensory experiences to distrust or reject? Neither dualists or monists get a pass from that one, and it has a lot more practical salience that choosing up metaphysical teams.<\/p>\n<p><em>Bonus question: what can\/should you hack to avoid errors?<\/em><\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4256452356987023523-4203627630601604354?l=www.unequally-yoked.com\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>At the National Catholic Register, Frank Cronin has written a post titled, \u201cAtheism, Quidditch, and the Truth.\u201d So that was enough linkbait alone to have me itching to write a post, but then, just to sweeten the deal, the whole thing turns out to be about dualism (which gives me a good opening to talk [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":127,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,68],"tags":[18],"class_list":["post-24","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-atheism","category-epistemologyphilosophy","tag-transhumanism"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - 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