{"id":28,"date":"2011-09-08T17:34:00","date_gmt":"2011-09-08T17:34:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/09\/the-continuation-of-philosophy-by-other-means\/"},"modified":"2012-11-03T21:39:11","modified_gmt":"2012-11-04T01:39:11","slug":"the-continuation-of-philosophy-by-other-means","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/09\/the-continuation-of-philosophy-by-other-means.html","title":{"rendered":"The Continuation of Philosophy by Other Means"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/dresdencodak.com\/2009\/09\/22\/caveman-science-fiction\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-Tj37vSOXGDs\/Tmkrp_shZKI\/AAAAAAAABlA\/EefrdfbrZMw\/s400\/caveman_science_fiction.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"525\" height=\"167\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>A post on science fiction and religion? Don\u2019t mind if I do! (And how apropos to find this on the day when, according to Amazon, my new copy of Michael Flynn\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0765340356\/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=unequyoked-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399369&amp;creativeASIN=0765340356\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Eifelheim<\/em><\/a> is out for delivery).<\/p>\n<p>Long story short, Steve Davidson of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.graspingforthewind.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Grasping for the Wind<\/a> wrote <a href=\"http:\/\/www.graspingforthewind.com\/2011\/08\/21\/science-fiction-and-religion-a-marriage-not-made-in-heaven-nor-even-the-laboratory\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a post<\/a> explaining why he thinks that \u201cReligion, at its core, is a concept antithetical to the core concepts of science fiction.\u201d He gives a fuller explanation at the site, complete with examples, but I\u2019ve tried to capture the gist of it in the blockquote below:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Science fiction \u2013 all of it \u2013 is founded on the premise that science (observation, fact, hypothesis and theory) is the fundamental underpinning of all that is and all that ever will be.<\/p>\n<p>Religion on the other hand, putting the best possible face on it, wants us to believe that science has its place (is even useful at times) but is subordinate to some higher power that can flaunt science\u2019s reason and logic whenever and wherever it so chooses, without requiring explanation.<\/p>\n<p>How can these two NOT be at odds within works that begin with the premise that science works?<\/p>\n<p>\u2026If you dig deep enough in any work of science fiction that includes religious elements, you will find that where the two interact, religion always comes off second best, and I don\u2019t see how it could be otherwise.<\/p>\n<p>Science fiction is the expression of the triumph of reason, logic and the tenets of the scientific method over a mysterious and little understood universe.<\/p>\n<p>At its core, religion holds the view that there IS an answer to everything (no matter how convoluted or dissatisfying the answer may be ).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As a scifi fan in good standing, I don\u2019t buy this definition. \u00a0To begin with, science fiction is not conventionally understood to be about charting the unambiguous success of science. \u00a0If it were, Dresden Codak\u2019s \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/dresdencodak.com\/2009\/09\/22\/caveman-science-fiction\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Caveman Science Fiction<\/a>\u201d cartoon (excerpted at top) wouldn\u2019t be so instantly recognizable and so funny. \u00a0Science fiction can be about human limitations and, yes, even about the limitations of logic and reason. \u00a0I can wait here while you try Eliezer Yudkowsky\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/lesswrong.com\/lw\/y4\/three_worlds_collide_08\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Three Worlds Collide<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t think of science fiction as the victory lap of the geeks. \u00a0To me, it\u2019s fascinating because it\u2019s the continuation of philosophy by other means. \u00a0Science fiction takes humans (or reasoning beings sufficiently close for some sense of kinship) and puts them under strange new stresses. \u00a0Science fiction (and fantasy) <em>take us out of ourselves<\/em>. \u00a0They let us think about our relationships with others, our duties, what <em>telos <\/em>we have in an environment with the power to jolt us out of our <a href=\"http:\/\/lesswrong.com\/lw\/k5\/cached_thoughts\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">cached thoughts<\/a>.<\/p>\n<table class=\"tr-caption-container\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" align=\"center\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-6vVv-iFR9Zs\/Tmkw7CbyeCI\/AAAAAAAABlE\/SNUCqH94UyI\/s1600\/Starcrash.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-6vVv-iFR9Zs\/Tmkw7CbyeCI\/AAAAAAAABlE\/SNUCqH94UyI\/s320\/Starcrash.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"222\" height=\"320\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"tr-caption\" style=\"text-align: center;\">Admittedly, some examples of the genre don\u2019t make the best use of the powers at their disposal<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Fiction, generally, can do this, too \u2014 letting us approximate a different frame of reference. \u00a0One thing that strikes me as unique about science fiction and fantasy, though, is that they let us do this in a very low-stakes setting. \u00a0Because the worlds we\u2019re exploring are so alien, we have to make an effort to carry back any new ideas to our day-to-day life. \u00a0That distance lowers the threat and terror of new, heterodox ideas. \u00a0We can go farther with our <em>gedankenexperiments<\/em>\u00a0when we\u2019re far enough removed from their consequences that we can comfortably noodle around without being scared of what we\u2019re exploring.<\/p>\n<p>Unlike some highly abstract philosophy thought experiments, science fiction is pitched to be accessible and challenging to everyone. \u00a0And unlike the philosophy-for-the-public types of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Trolley_problem\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">trolleyology problem<\/a>, the problems of science fiction are compelling and fiercely urgent once they suck us in. \u00a0(In fact they\u2019re <em>so<\/em>\u00a0mentally sticky, they can induce new kinds of bias, but <a href=\"http:\/\/lesswrong.com\/lw\/k9\/the_logical_fallacy_of_generalization_from\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Yudkowsky\u2019s already written that post<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>So I\u2019m not surprised to see that science fiction leads some authors to work over the questions they\u2019re exploring in their theology or metaphysics. \u00a0(And I recommend \u201cThe Way of Cross and Dragon\u201d if you can find it in an anthology). \u00a0Religion is part of the answer to how people deal with uncertainty, as well as ethics, as well as problems of external moral order. \u00a0If you want scifi that tackles those problems, expect some characters to be at least quasi-religious (or a really good bit of backstory from the author explaining how they died out). \u00a0Cause if you strip out those problems entirely, you\u2019re probably only leaving in the robots and explosions.<\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-gdCHKrXMd58\/Tmkzcp5_F9I\/AAAAAAAABlI\/lkxMdnmr_uA\/s1600\/death-star-explosion.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-gdCHKrXMd58\/Tmkzcp5_F9I\/AAAAAAAABlI\/lkxMdnmr_uA\/s320\/death-star-explosion.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"320\" height=\"167\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Not that there\u2019s anything wrong with that.<\/p>\n<p>**I\u2019m sure someone wants to know how I differentiate between science fiction and fantasy, if I\u2019m using the fantastical setting framework. \u00a0I was going to give an explanation here, but it started getting long, so I promise a full post on that next. \u00a0Feel free to share your own definitions in the comments.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4256452356987023523-1960122447538069246?l=www.unequally-yoked.com\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A post on science fiction and religion? 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