{"id":2919,"date":"2012-04-28T14:29:19","date_gmt":"2012-04-28T18:29:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/?p=2919"},"modified":"2013-01-02T14:41:20","modified_gmt":"2013-01-02T19:41:20","slug":"krauss-defines-philosophy-down","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/04\/krauss-defines-philosophy-down.html","title":{"rendered":"Krauss Defines Philosophy Down"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" title=\"flashlight in the dark\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sentex.net\/~mwandel\/photo\/flashlight-beam.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"344\" height=\"174\"><\/p>\n<p>Previously on this blog, I was really teed off by Laurence Krauss contemptuous comments about philosophy at the American Atheists National Conventions (and I agreed with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2012\/03\/25\/books\/review\/a-universe-from-nothing-by-lawrence-m-krauss.html?_r=1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">one of the big critiques of his book<\/a>). \u00a0It looks like he\u2019s been catching flack for the anti-philosophy comments, and he\u2019s written <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scientificamerican.com\/article.cfm?id=the-consolation-of-philos&amp;print=true\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">an essay in <em>Scientific American<\/em> to clarify his position<\/a>. \u00a0I\u2019m excerpting below the parts I found most relevant, but you guys should check out the whole piece.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[In physics], I, and most of the colleagues with whom I have discussed this matter, have found that philosophical speculations about physics and the nature of science are not particularly useful, and have had little or no impact upon progress in my field. Even in several areas associated with what one can rightfully call the philosophy of science I have found the reflections of physicists to be more useful. For example, on the nature of science and the scientific method, I have found the insights offered by scientists who have chosen to write concretely about their experience and reflections, from Jacob Bronowski, to Richard Feynman, to Francis Crick, to Werner Heisenberg, Albert Einstein, and Sir James Jeans, to have provided me with a better practical guide than the work of even the most significant philosophical writers of whom I am aware, such as Karl Popper and Thomas Kuhn. I admit that this could primarily reflect of my own philosophical limitations, but I suspect this experience is more common than not among my scientific colleagues.<\/p>\n<p>\u2026So, to those philosophers I may have unjustly offended by seemingly blanket statements about the field, I apologize. I value your intelligent conversation and the insights of anyone who thinks carefully about our universe and who is willing to guide their thinking based on the evidence of reality. To those who wish to impose their definition of reality abstractly, independent of emerging empirical knowledge and the changing questions that go with it, and call that either philosophy or theology, I would say this: Please go on talking to each other, and let the rest of us get on with the goal of learning more about nature.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In between the two paragraphs I quoted, where I stuck an ellipses, Krauss expands on two places he sees physicists and philosophers coming into conflict: the measurement problem in quantum physics and the precise definition of nothing in \u201cHow did the universe come from nothing?\u201d \u00a0Which I guess is all I needed to know we still don\u2019t see eye-to-eye.<\/p>\n<p>The examples he gives really don\u2019t seem like the most interesting or urgent points where physics and philosophy overlap. \u00a0Here are a couple questions that I\u2019m more interested in:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>When do scientists have a\u00a0responsibility\u00a0to conceal what they learn? \u00a0Should Einstein and Oppenheimer have lied to politicians about the\u00a0possibility\u00a0of building an atomic bomb?<\/li>\n<li>How do we decide what physical augments and modifications are acceptable? \u00a0Is it possible to push ourselves out of the category of \u2018human?\u2019 \u00a0Do we care? \u00a0Is there anything special about <em>homo sapiens sapiens<\/em> that would cause us to value continuity with our biological past more than we value continuity with <em>homo erectus<\/em>?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Krauss is correct that philosophy touches on how we weight and categorize data, but it also has a lot to do with what the data moves us to <em>do<\/em> once we\u2019ve finished evaluating it. \u00a0And those are the questions that tend to get a lot fuzzier than the conflicting hypotheses we can settle with beautiful proofs (or computer programs that iterate over the entire space of possible inputs, which get the job done, but leave a lot of us feeling a little dirty somehow).<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re a science geek (and Krauss is a lot cooler than me on that score) it\u2019s easy to get frustrated by the bigger error bars you need to throw on your philosophical opinions. \u00a0But that doesn\u2019t excuse us from having to grub around for answers. \u00a0We can\u2019t circumscribe philosophical inquiry to the areas where we\u2019re already good at \u00a0getting results, because we\u2019re still going to have to act based on answers we turn up in the shakier-feeling parts of our exploration of the world.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Previously on this blog, I was really teed off by Laurence Krauss contemptuous comments about philosophy at the American Atheists National Conventions (and I agreed with one of the big critiques of his book). \u00a0It looks like he\u2019s been catching flack for the anti-philosophy comments, and he\u2019s written an essay in Scientific American to clarify [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":127,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[104,163],"class_list":["post-2919","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-atheism","tag-dealing-with-uncertainty","tag-overlapping-magisteria"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - 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