{"id":3461,"date":"2012-06-11T09:13:58","date_gmt":"2012-06-11T13:13:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/?p=3461"},"modified":"2013-01-16T01:05:17","modified_gmt":"2013-01-16T06:05:17","slug":"this-is-why-pragmatism-isnt-an-ethical-system-blogathon-112","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/06\/this-is-why-pragmatism-isnt-an-ethical-system-blogathon-112.html","title":{"rendered":"This is why &#8216;Pragmatism&#8217; isn&#8217;t an ethical system [Blogathon 1\/12]"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>This post is number one of twelve for the Secular Student Alliance Blogathon. \u00a0I\u2019m responding to comments in the \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/05\/go-ahead-tell-me-whats-wrong-with-homosexuality.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Go Ahead, Tell Me What\u2019s Wrong with Homosexuality<\/a>\u201d thread all day. \u00a0You can read <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/06\/why-would-christians-support-the-secular-students-alliance.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">an explanation of the Blogathon and a pitch for donations (even if you\u2019re religious)<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.secularstudents.org\/ssaweek\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-3464\" title=\"blogathon\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/84\/2012\/06\/blogathon1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"351\" height=\"128\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/05\/go-ahead-tell-me-whats-wrong-with-homosexuality.html#comment-20000\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Nolan wrote<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>An objection I\u2019ve heard often relates to health. Critics will point to health disparities between gay and straight people (higher depression, suicides, std\u2019s among gay people), and say this is reason to avoid gay relationships.<\/p>\n<p>I think I\u2019ve seen people point to higher rates of other undesired actions, like drug use, promiscuity, and break-up rates among gay people.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>First of all, I love empirical predictions, so many thanks to Nolan.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s\u00a0definitely\u00a0true that gay people are at higher risk for depression and suicide, but the data don\u2019t tell us <em>why<\/em>. \u00a0Is it because they\u2019re living out of accord with their nature and God\u2019s plan, and the\u00a0incongruity\u00a0rankles or is it that gay people are treated uncharitably and intolerantly, and the cruelty, directed at a core part of their identity is intensely destabilizing?<\/p>\n<p>The data fit either explanation, so these findings don\u2019t improve the case against an active, homosexual life.<\/p>\n<p>The kind of data we should probably be looking for instead is longitudinal data from multiple countries and track gay depression\/suicide rates against expansions of gay rights and decreasing feelings of repulsion by homosexuals. \u00a0This data won\u2019t <em>prove<\/em> causation, but <a href=\"http:\/\/xkcd.com\/552\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">it may be suggestive<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, in all\u00a0probability, the longitudinal data <em>doesn\u2019t exist<\/em> or is really misleading. \u00a0You can\u2019t track gay\u00a0suicides\u00a0or gay depression if, in the past, the only queer people out were the ones who got <em>caught<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Better methodological approaches welcome in the comments. \u00a0This is actually a pretty tricky problem.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This post is number one of twelve for the Secular Student Alliance Blogathon. \u00a0I\u2019m responding to comments in the \u201cGo Ahead, Tell Me What\u2019s Wrong with Homosexuality\u201d thread all day. \u00a0You can read an explanation of the Blogathon and a pitch for donations (even if you\u2019re religious). \u00a0 Nolan wrote: An objection I\u2019ve heard often [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":127,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[171,11,20],"class_list":["post-3461","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-blogathon","tag-lgbt","tag-statistics"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>This is why &#039;Pragmatism&#039; 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