{"id":3470,"date":"2012-06-11T10:04:27","date_gmt":"2012-06-11T14:04:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/?p=3470"},"modified":"2013-01-16T01:05:46","modified_gmt":"2013-01-16T06:05:46","slug":"the-rumba-is-a-vertical-expression-of-a-horizontal-desire-blogathon-212","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/06\/the-rumba-is-a-vertical-expression-of-a-horizontal-desire-blogathon-212.html","title":{"rendered":"“The rumba is a vertical expression of a horizontal desire” [Blogathon 2\/12]"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

This post is number two of twelve for the Secular Student Alliance Blogathon. \u00a0I\u2019m responding to comments in the \u201cGo Ahead, Tell Me What\u2019s Wrong with Homosexuality<\/a>\u201d thread all day. \u00a0You can read an explanation of the Blogathon and a pitch for donations (even if you\u2019re religious) here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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At some point in the long discussion of homosexuality, I asked why the Catholic church puts erotic same sex relationships and acts in the same category as erotic male-female acts in the first place. \u00a0I wanted to know why gay sexuality isn\u2019t more like the tango or the rumba<\/a>, which is an eroticism that is not directed toward procreation. \u00a0Cous replied<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Leah, to respond to your tango objection, if a married man and a woman were using tango as form of masturbation, it WOULD be wrong for the same reasons that that two women having sex is morally wrong \u2013 since you\u2019re asking for the Catholic perspective, \u201cSexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.\u201d (CCC 2351<\/a>)\u2026<\/p>\n

As Jerry says, the philosophy behind this isn\u2019t just about homosexual sex acts, they\u2019re principles that apply to any activity involving the sexual organs qua sexual organs and\/or the pursuit of sexual pleasure. People outside and inside the Church have a hard time believing that she puts masturbation, non-vaginal sex (even heterosexual married couples are not off the hook here), contraception, IVF, fornication, etc. all in the same tent, but she is extremely clear that these are all violations of the same moral principle.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I still find this confusing, because it sounds like there\u2019s an assumption being made that the pursuit of sexual pleasure necessarily<\/em> involves the genitals, and thus, is masturbation. \u00a0But human sexuality is extremely diverse, and genital stimulation isn\u2019t at the top of everyone\u2019s list.<\/p>\n

So, if you find something else more\u00a0pleasurable\u00a0or erotic, is it off the table as long as you find it equally or more arousing than genital stimulation. \u00a0(This is where I start to wonder how much you have to enjoy kissing, fencing, or witty banter before it\u2019s verboten<\/em>, no matter the gender of your partner.)<\/p>\n

I still don\u2019t understand why genitals are qualitatively different than every other part of the body and uniquely problematic. \u00a0It can\u2019t just be the procreative argument, because the bits of a woman\u2019s genitals that involve pleasure are not necessary<\/em> for an act to be procreative.<\/p>\n

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