{"id":3578,"date":"2012-06-15T14:57:18","date_gmt":"2012-06-15T18:57:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/?p=3578"},"modified":"2013-01-20T17:40:15","modified_gmt":"2013-01-20T22:40:15","slug":"more-turing-strategies-and-reflections","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/06\/more-turing-strategies-and-reflections.html","title":{"rendered":"More Turing Strategies and Reflections"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

Jacob of The Thoughtful Atheist<\/a> and Matt of Soul Sprawl<\/a> have both written up their thoughts on playing in the Ideological Turing Test.<\/p>\n

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Jacob (entries A12<\/a> and C1<\/a>) \u2013 Ideological Turing Test Complete! \u2026 you failed<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

First, a brief description of my strategy: for my Athiest entry, I tried to describe reality as I see it if Atheism is true. I can\u2019t really be upset that most people found it not very compelling- I don\u2019t find it very compelling myself<\/a>. But I do find it the most internally consistent.<\/p>\n

What did<\/em> surprise me- though I suppose it shouldn\u2019t- is how many people thought I was a Catholic. Certainly I\u2019ve done a fair bit of religious reading over the last several months, so some of the Catholic verbiage has probably entered my vocabulary through Osmosis (references to \u201cAuthority\u201d and Chesterton\u2019s \u201ctruth-telling thing\u201d ostensibly gave me away as a Catholic sympathizer). But I think my real problem is that I didn\u2019t present Atheism as a compelling framework that anybody would ever want to believe in- and that\u2019s because I legitimately don\u2019t think it is.<\/p>\n

Read more\u2026<\/em><\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Matt (entries A2<\/a> and C2<\/a>) \u2013 Ideological Turing Test Reflections<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

I saw inconsistency as the most defining factor of fakes. I felt that if a post was inconsistent in its internal ideas, it was more likely to be fraudulent. For the same reason, when I sought out to write my own entries, I strived for internal consistency. The underlying assumption here is that someone who is an authority\/believer of a certain ideology is more likely to do the intellectual legwork to make that position consistent. Whether or not this is true is another story entirely.<\/p>\n

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What I find really interesting is the way Matt and Jacob are talking about internal consistency. \u00a0(I haven\u2019t run the numbers on how consistent and\/or compelling people found the entries yet). \u00a0I agree that, if people really believe something, they usually have at least a few plausible explanations for any seeming inconsistencies in their worldview, but not always. \u00a0After all, I\u2019ve been dinged repeatedly, on this blog and at debates offline for the admitted gap between my virtue ethics and associated teleology and the materialism implied by most forms of atheism.<\/p>\n

I thought it was interesting that Jacob split the question of consistency and compellingness. \u00a0When we find ourselves drawn to a different philosophy, that is data<\/em>. \u00a0Then we have to do the work of checking whether we\u2019re drawn just because of wish fulfillment (I\u2019m pretty drawn to Diane Duane\u2019s Young Wizards<\/em> series<\/a>, but that hasn\u2019t made it true. \u00a0Yet.), or if the other philosophy is paying rent on some of our assumptions about the world (e.g. morality isn\u2019t just a cultural construct).<\/p>\n

If there\u2019s some kind of data that\u2019s leading you to that metaphysical assumption, then the failure of your current belief to account for it is an inconsistency. \u00a0It may not be a big enough one to drive you to abandon either your philosophy or your data yet, but you should probably expect to jettison at least one of them (or step up a level and jettison the meta-understanding of both that led you to see them in conflict).<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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