{"id":391,"date":"2010-07-15T18:07:00","date_gmt":"2010-07-15T18:07:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2010\/07\/coming-up-on-unequally-yoked\/"},"modified":"2012-04-02T23:13:41","modified_gmt":"2012-04-03T03:13:41","slug":"coming-up-on-unequally-yoked","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2010\/07\/coming-up-on-unequally-yoked.html","title":{"rendered":"Coming up on Unequally Yoked&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Sorry for the slow responses to your comments.  I\u2019ve been (foolishly) trying to reply to every point raised at once.  To give myself a little time, I\u2019m using this post to outline the major questions I\u2019m going to try to address, and give you a very brief pr\u00e9cis of the posts coming up on these topics.  Sound off in the comments if I\u2019ve left out a topic you\u2019d like to get feedback on!<\/p>\n<p><strong>What is your definition of God?<\/strong><br>\n<em>Aristarchus says:<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>What counts as a god? I say I am an atheist, meaning not only that I don\u2019t believe in an omnipotent Judeo-Christian-like being, but also that I don\u2019t believe in gods of the sort in Hinduism or Native American religions or ancient Egyptian mythology. I think the normal definition of a \u201cgod\u201d would definitely include those things, but I don\u2019t see what definition would include them but not also include oracles and wizards and other things of that sort. I therefore see basically any \u201centity that can perform miracles\u201d as in fact a god.<\/em>\u00a0<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I tend to define a god-entity less by the powers it has and more by my own relationship to it. \u00a0A hurricane has power over me,. and its ways may be (to me) as inscrutable as the\u00a0almighty, but my only duty to it is to get the hell out of its way. \u00a0I think of a god as something that provides an order to my life, not another set of accidents to avoid or ameliorate. \u00a0I know I\u2019m defining a lot of things that traditionally got the label god out of the category (the Greek gods being perhaps the most glaring example) but I do believe these are qualitatively different gods, and should be treated separately.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How can you believe in objective morality if you only have imperfect access to it?<\/strong><br>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/03615608336736450543\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Hendy<\/em><\/a><em> said:<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>The problem with forms of objective-morality-prescribing systems is that they are subjective in practice. In other words, these values exist but must be somehow discerned and translated.<\/em>\u00a0<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>My answer to this is a little long (and frequently mocked by my friends, to the point of calling it my hypercube hypothesis) but I think it\u2019s reasonable to say that we can approach the metaphysics of morality the same way we approach the metaphysics of\u00a0mathematics: we ask questions, draw up\u00a0hypotheticals\u00a0and other analogies, and clumsily approach a workable representation of something we don\u2019t have the language to express. \u00a0[Yes, I will go into considerably more detail in the forthcoming post, but I\u2019ll tell you upfront, I\u2019m pretty sure C.S. Lewis agrees with me]<\/p>\n<p><strong>What if a religion is wrong, but its moral teachings are right?<\/strong><br>\n<em>Arkanabar T\u2019verrick Ilarsadin said:<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Once you\u2019ve absorbed what the Church teaches is moral behavior, ask yourself: would the world be better, or worse, if everyone ascribed to that morality?<\/em>\u00a0<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I certainly won\u2019t deny that some churches have been ahead of the curve on many moral issues. \u00a0And it\u2019s an endless torment to me that all the good words for talking about morality (soul, sin, etc) are all extremely Christian language. \u00a0[I do promise a post soon on why I think Original Sin is a useful concept even in atheistic conceptions of morality]. \u00a0My primary fear of organized religion is that it has the power to make people abstract themselves from their moral sense. \u00a0Ultimately, I think it\u2019s bad for people to trust others too much on moral questions, to trust them to the point of ignoring their own\u00a0visceral\u00a0moral experiences. \u00a0No matter whether the church is preaching truths today, you don\u2019t want to get into the bad habit of contracting out your moral sense.<\/p>\n<p>Hopefully, these brief answers will whet your appetite for the longer posts coming soon. \u00a0Comments are appreciated, especially so I can refine the essays I\u2019m writing, but please remember these are <em>brief<\/em> overviews of my positions. \u00a0I promise to justify them better soon.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4256452356987023523-1503184231385299224?l=www.unequally-yoked.com\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sorry for the slow responses to your comments. 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