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I did an interview with Eve Tushnet<\/a> (a fellow Patheos blogger and a friend from college debate) over at Catholic Lane<\/a>. \u00a0Now that I\u2019m reading it, it\u2019s a little\u00a0embarrassing\u00a0how many times Eve had to use brackets to translate a gesture or noise I was making into, y\u2019know,\u00a0words<\/em>. (Meanwhile, at rationality camp, I was trying to help someone correct an error in a math question by saying \u201cNo, no, you need to throw up a [holds\u00a0up forearms, perfectly parallel and makes a clicking noise<\/em>] which, shockingly, the person at the board did not immediately realize meant \u201cPut absolute value bars around the expression.\u201d)<\/p>\n

So fair warning that any lacuna and weird conceptual leaps are way more my fault than the result of Eve\u2019s condensing. \u00a0I had a lot of fun in our chat, because I know Eve well and I could skip right to the weirder, more interesting ideas instead of spending so much time on background. \u00a0So here\u2019s a sampling from the article:<\/p>\n

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ET:<\/strong> How did the experience of writing a blog about atheism affect your conversion?<\/p>\n

LL:<\/strong> It was interesting for me to see, in writing and in speeches, how much my language was shifting toward the other team. One example was that in some of the discussion after Osama Bin Laden was assassinated I said, I\u2019m glad he can\u2019t hurt people, but it seems like one of the worst things is that he didn\u2019t get better and I don\u2019t see any way he could have. And that\u2019s very A Wrinkle in Time<\/em><\/a> [another L\u2019Engle novel], where IT still needs to be loved even if Meg isn\u2019t the one capable of loving IT. [Another example is] whether it\u2019s wrong to hate people even if you don\u2019t do anything to harm them. Is there anything wrong with that? And I said yes, you\u2019re callousing your soul. And they said, \u201cWhere do you get off using the word \u2018soul\u2019?\u201d And I said, \u201cIt\u2019s a metaphor\u2014lay off!\u201d<\/p>\n

ET:<\/strong> What do Catholics need to know about atheists?<\/p>\n

LL:<\/strong> A lot of people who might make what is a philosophically-useful attack have made it in stupid ways before. You should have a good idea of what arguments atheists usually encounter. Because a lot of [good arguments] look like echoes of bad arguments they have heard before. It\u2019s on you to do the groundwork of saying something that sounds new and is new. \u201cWhat is the grounding of your morals?\u201d [can easily be presented so it sounds too much like] \u201cAtheists are immoral.\u201d<\/p>\n

If you haven\u2019t, read some of the atheist blogs or books. Otherwise it\u2019s really easy to use \u201cdog whistles\u201d that make it hard for someone to listen to you because the last person who used that phrase was dumb or nasty. It\u2019s good to give the benefit of the doubt but you don\u2019t always have the time. So it\u2019s more your job to make it easier for people to listen to you than it is their job to be patient with everyone.<\/p>\n

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Read the whole thing\u2026<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"