{"id":4094,"date":"2012-08-08T15:47:33","date_gmt":"2012-08-08T19:47:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/?p=4094"},"modified":"2012-08-08T15:47:33","modified_gmt":"2012-08-08T19:47:33","slug":"finding-the-right-amount-of-unpleasantness","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/08\/finding-the-right-amount-of-unpleasantness.html","title":{"rendered":"Finding the right amount of unpleasantness"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><figure style=\"width: 305px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" \" title=\"stage strangle\" src=\"https:\/\/farm3.static.flickr.com\/2637\/4089677191_1ddcb097fa_o.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"305\" height=\"390\"><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">It\u2019s ok, it\u2019s for the theatre<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p><p>There\u2019s some very helpful feedback on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/08\/clawing-out-of-the-cesspool.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">recent commenting\/housekeeping\/debate tactics post<\/a>. \u00a0I\u2019m going to highlight and briefly respond to a few people, and then hopefully we can get back to content-y posts to practice constructively commenting on!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/08\/clawing-out-of-the-cesspool.html#comment-33580\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Emily wrote<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I\u2019m really wrestling with at what point I need to walk away from even reading comments here. The tone and mix of commenters has really changed a lot recently, and frankly, I think Adam\u2019s right. I\u2019m glad you\u2019re writing in a measured and thoughtful way toward your new audience but trying to take part is turning me into a jerk a little bit \u2013 instead of being able to engage in reasoned debate for very long, I find myself bubbling up with what feels like \u201crighteous\u201d rage all the time, trying not to express much of that counterproductive emotion in writing, and then just ranting to my husband about it. Basically, I\u2019m spending way too much time and energy in \u201csomeone\u2019s wrong on the internet!\u201d mode.<\/p>\n<p>This isn\u2019t a \u201cyou should fix this\u201d complaint. It\u2019s your blog and this whole post was about why you\u2019re running it as you are! It\u2019s just ironic that as one of your somewhat long term Christian readers, I\u2019m finding your site far more morally challenging now that you\u2019re a convert than when it was an \u201catheist\u201d blog. I thought Catholics and Protestants had more in common than not but we seem to be able to set each other off pretty well.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I sympathise, and I appreciate Emily speaking up. I don\u2019t want the roughness of the blog to make every discussion feel like a war (even if we manage to make it a really polite war). \u00a0I don\u2019t want engaging with the people I\u00a0<em>most<\/em> disagree with to drive off the people I <em>sometimes<\/em>\u00a0disagree with.<\/p>\n<p>When people feel like Emily does, speak up, and let me know if there have been some comment threads that felt particularly useful and some that were particularly wretched. \u00a0Was there anything you noticed that helped save a discussion or derailed a debate? \u00a0I don\u2019t want a quiet majority to become quietly absent. \u00a0There\u2019s room for experimentation.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019d actually quite like to try out weirder comment rules for specific threads at some point on the future:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Paired threads where you argue your true belief with an opponent in one chain and both of you switch sides for the other. \u00a0Do the second one first, so you can see what your opponent thinks you think.<\/li>\n<li>An \u2018only polite\u2019 thread where any comment about how stupid or hateful someone is gets whited out by me (or flagged and people show possible ways to rewrite).<\/li>\n<li>A \u2018rewrite\u2019 thread (inspired by an improv game) where we take a couple assertions and try to rewrite them on a 1-10 scale from least aggressive to most aggressive<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>But, in the day to day blog, my normal approach is not to stay on a very crazy topic for too long. \u00a0I came back to gay marriage because I thought the \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/08\/what-would-someone-have-to-say-to-you-to-get-you-to-break-up-your-family.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">How would you react to someone trying to break up your marriage<\/a>\u201d reframe was new and helpful. \u00a0I assume I\u2019ll leave the topic lie for a while unless I think I might say something you haven\u2019t heard before or just see a really helpful case study in how to change your mind in a discussion.<\/p>\n<p>The next big thing I\u2019ve got coming up is the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/07\/leah-librescos-sing-along-blog.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Sondheim discussion<\/a> (still time to <a href=\"http:\/\/movies.netflix.com\/WiMovie\/Company\/70095544?trkid=2361637\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">watch\u00a0<em>Company<\/em>\u00a0on Netflix<\/a>), and I imagine that will lend itself to better discussion, since people aren\u2019t trained to see every conversation on this topic as an intensely\u00a0political\u00a0fight. \u00a0(Though, remember, my example of being personally unable to walk away from a fight is from an argument about Sondheim\u2019s\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Assassins_(musical)\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Assassins<\/em><\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>Of course, my last, favorite resort is just blogging about how much I love math and science until the trolls are muted slightly. \u00a0<em>Pulchra vincit omnia<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>So let me know when you think a topic change is in order, if you have suggestions to improve discussion, or just better ways to avoid falling into the <a href=\"http:\/\/xkcd.com\/386\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Someone is wrong on the internet trap<\/a>. \u00a0Personally, I\u2019ve started taking aikido.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There\u2019s some very helpful feedback on the recent commenting\/housekeeping\/debate tactics post. \u00a0I\u2019m going to highlight and briefly respond to a few people, and then hopefully we can get back to content-y posts to practice constructively commenting on! 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