{"id":46,"date":"2011-08-01T12:13:00","date_gmt":"2011-08-01T12:13:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/08\/the-obvious-consequence\/"},"modified":"2012-10-30T14:41:39","modified_gmt":"2012-10-30T18:41:39","slug":"the-obvious-consequence","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2011\/08\/the-obvious-consequence.html","title":{"rendered":"The &#8216;Obvious&#8217; Consequence"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-2rZsDgdra4U\/TjbQokLQWlI\/AAAAAAAABhw\/e5nl8N1CQDE\/s1600\/square_peg_in_round_hole_2.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-2rZsDgdra4U\/TjbQokLQWlI\/AAAAAAAABhw\/e5nl8N1CQDE\/s320\/square_peg_in_round_hole_2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>In my last <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/2011\/07\/and-you-never-were-scotsman.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">two<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/2011\/07\/playing-consistency-game.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">posts<\/a> about Jenifer Fulwiler\u2019s controversial piece for the National Catholic Register (\u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/5-catholic-teachings-that-make-sense-to-atheists\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Five Catholic Teachings that Make Sense to Atheists<\/a>\u201d), I mentioned that, although I thought it was a good approach to discuss the parts of Christian theology that seem most sensible and maybe even plausible to non-Christians, I thought the choice of some examples was misguided.<\/p>\n<p>When I try to think of the most intuitively appealing part of Christianity, it isn\u2019t anything like veneration of Mary, it\u2019s the possibility that people who have done bad things and warped their own character could be healed. The woundedness and brokenness of people around us can look like a problem calling out for the solution of Christianity: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/search\/label\/radical%20forgiveness\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">radical forgiveness<\/a> or grace.<\/p>\n<p>In my mind, it\u2019s the most s<em>elf-evident<\/em> way Christianity meshes with our lived experience. But\u2026<\/p>\n<table class=\"tr-caption-container\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" align=\"center\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-4H36bKTZEuA\/TjQcs26WgAI\/AAAAAAAABhs\/RvID-7GCk-w\/s1600\/pay.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-4H36bKTZEuA\/TjQcs26WgAI\/AAAAAAAABhs\/RvID-7GCk-w\/s400\/pay.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"277\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"tr-caption\" style=\"text-align: center;\">Taken from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.postsecret.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Postsecret<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<p>For a lot of people (including a lot of Christians), the <em>obvious<\/em> implication of Christianity is Hell. The goal is a <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Code_of_Hammurabi\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Hammurabi-style<\/a> reckoning up of debts and offences and a promise of justice. Denominations differ on how much justice will be dispensed, ranging along a spectrum from reserving divine scourging for Hitler, Pol Pot, etc to admitting that \u201cuse each man after his desert and who should \u2018scape whipping?\u201d (usually, the answer is: just our sect).<\/p>\n<p>Try and build up a reasonably accurate picture of the world, and you may find that there\u2019s a convenient God-shaped hole. Slot Him in, and the whole model comes together. Chesterton and others lean heavily on this kind of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.unequally-yoked.com\/2011\/01\/i-assign-you-reading.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">metaphysical backsliding<\/a>). In <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1613820895\/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=unequyoked-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399373&amp;creativeASIN=1613820895\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Orthodoxy<\/a> <\/em>Chesterton summarizes this feeling:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The spike of dogma fitted exactly into the hole in the world\u2013it had evidently been meant to go there\u2013and then the strange thing began to happen. When once these two parts of the two machines had come together one after another all the other parts fitted and fell in with an eerie exactitude. I could hear bolt after bolt over all the machinery falling into its place with a kind of click of relief.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But it\u2019s not enough to consider only whether <em>your<\/em> philosophy is strengthened by this addition. The radical forgiveness and suffering-solely-as-punishment hypotheses are in conflict, but both mesh with and are strengthened by a God hypothesis. Adding in the premise that God exists or that a broadly Christian god exists doesn\u2019t improve the model, it amplifies whatever opinion the person already held.<\/p>\n<p>To avoid accepting God explicitly for the sake of a <em>deus ex machina<\/em>, there has to be a better check that you\u2019re not just accepting a <a href=\"http:\/\/lesswrong.com\/lw\/iu\/mysterious_answers_to_mysterious_questions\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">mysterious answer to a mysterious question<\/a>. A good start would be nailing down what experiences of God or scriptural evidence supports and debunks each of the conflicting worldviews. If you can\u2019t rule some of these hypothesis in or out, it starts to sound like you\u2019re worshiping a very diffuse divinity.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4256452356987023523-64793888696097172?l=www.unequally-yoked.com\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 In my last two posts about Jenifer Fulwiler\u2019s controversial piece for the National Catholic Register (\u201cFive Catholic Teachings that Make Sense to Atheists\u201d), I mentioned that, although I thought it was a good approach to discuss the parts of Christian theology that seem most sensible and maybe even plausible to non-Christians, I thought the [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":127,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,27],"tags":[124,141,19],"class_list":["post-46","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-atheism","category-parsing-catholicism","tag-afterlife","tag-non-euclidean-theology","tag-radical-forgiveness"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>The &#039;Obvious&#039; 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