{"id":6061,"date":"2012-11-30T13:04:03","date_gmt":"2012-11-30T18:04:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/?p=6061"},"modified":"2012-11-30T13:07:40","modified_gmt":"2012-11-30T18:07:40","slug":"on-doxologies-the-kingdom-and-the-oxford-comma","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2012\/11\/on-doxologies-the-kingdom-and-the-oxford-comma.html","title":{"rendered":"On Doxologies, the Kingdom, and the Oxford Comma"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

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A friend of mine (who you may have seen on this blog as squelchtoad) posed a delightful question on facebook:<\/p>\n

The doxology at the end of the Lord\u2019s prayer is often written \u201cFor thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory.\u201d Is it meant to mean \u201cthe kingdom, the power, and the glory\u201d or is \u201cthe power and the glory\u201d an epithet for \u201cthe kingdom\u201d?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Catholics don\u2019t incorporate this doxology into the end of the Lord\u2019s Prayer (though, in the post Vatican II Mass, the laity say it as a separate thing after an interjection by the priest). In some Protestant churches, it\u2019s part and parcel of the prayer. But why have a theological argument through the lens of history and bible scholarship when we can frame it through grammar instead!<\/p>\n

I did some poking around, and I couldn\u2019t find an answer to the question. \u00a0But, in the process, I managed to get the closing song from\u00a0Pippin<\/em><\/a> stuck in my head, discovered an elevator variant<\/a> I\u2019d really like to ride, and got this advice from the Fake AP Stylebook<\/a>: \u201cUse a comma after every item in a list of three or more, but then take back one comma to honor the Hebrew God whose sentence this is.\u201d<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t think this is the kind of thing that\u2019s clarified by going back to the Latin, since presumably \u201ckingdom\u201d \u201cpower\u201d and \u201cglory\u201d are all in the same case either way. \u00a0So does anyone have a citation about the interpretation or a way to suss this out?<\/p>\n

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Two suggestions from the facebook thread (first from a Catholic, than an Anglo-Catholic\u00a0Episcopalian:<\/p>\n

\u201cThe power and the glory are really distinct from the kingdom. The kingdom is God\u2019s reign in creatures. The power and the glory are both divine attributes, and thus really identical with God himself. God\u2019s reign is not God, but the providence by which he reigns is God.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

\u201cGoogle \u201c\u2018thine is the kingdom\u2019 site:bcponline.org\u201d and you will see that the Oxford comma is most definitely prescribed. One possible justification for this (and keep in mind, I\u2019m just a layman): Christ\u2019s glory shines in his moments of apparent weakness as much as in those of apparent power.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

A friend of mine (who you may have seen on this blog as squelchtoad) posed a delightful question on facebook: The doxology at the end of the Lord\u2019s prayer is often written \u201cFor thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory.\u201d Is it meant to mean \u201cthe kingdom, the power, and the glory\u201d or […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":127,"featured_media":6062,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[27],"tags":[93],"class_list":["post-6061","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-parsing-catholicism","tag-open-questions"],"yoast_head":"\nOn Doxologies, the Kingdom, and the Oxford Comma<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"A friend of mine (who you may have seen on this blog as squelchtoad) posed a delightful question on facebook: The doxology at the end of the Lord's prayer\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" 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