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This is the seventh entry in the Atheist round of the 2013 Ideological Turing Test<\/a>. \u00a0This year, atheists and Christians responded to questions about sex, death, and literature<\/a>. \u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

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Polyamory<\/strong><\/h2>\n

I\u2019m going to be up-front here, and confess that I don\u2019t really care about marriage. I mean, it\u2019s great that people who are committed to each other have an outlet by which to express that, but the legal institution is (in America anyway) clearly just the last, mutated outgrowth of an old Christian custom, and one that is not really benefitting society as far as I can tell. Let it die.<\/p>\n

Now, polygamy\/polyamory. (Another caveat: lifestyle-wise, polyamory isn\u2019t really on my RADAR, so forgive me for not having highly developed views. What two\u2026 or three\u2026 or four\u2026 responsible adults do in the privacy of their home is nobody\u2019s business.) Obviously polyamory is fine, except inasmuch as it\u2019s hurtful to the individuals involved. But this is not something any authority can regulate. Why not? Because how is an abstract moral\/legal authority going to be capable of peering into everyone\u2019s emotional history and needs and tell people who to do what with? This seems like sufficient reason for the state not to be involved.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m afraid since I\u2019m taking a minimalist approach that it will seem like I\u2019ve left the burden of proof too much on the other side. But the simple fact is that the burden of proof IS on their side, inasmuch as what we\u2019re dealing with here is an arbitrary social convention totemized over the course of centuries by a religious culture, the last devotees of which are now fighting to the death to protect it, as if it were the lynchpin of civilization. The flood walls have been breeched, my friends, and the tide of \u201cunnaturalness\u201d now pouring in is merely the restoration of a reasonable order on the ground you have so fiercely and pointlessly defended these many years.<\/p>\n

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Euthanasia<\/strong><\/h2>\n

I\u2019m not sure that anything is ever strictly obligatory. I\u2019m not a deontologist, and I\u2019m not a consequentialist either. (Forgive the digression, but\u2026) If the aliens are going to blow up planet earth unless I slit my own throat, I am not morally obliged to slit my own throat (for reasons of utility), nor am I obliged not to slit my own throat (out of respect for rational nature). This goes back to a theme from the marriage response: most of ethics tacitly presumes the authority of a deity. I get a little fed up with trendy atheist apologists who pretend that bourgeois Christian morality is the atheist thing to do. If I don\u2019t believe in a deity, it doesn\u2019t make sense for me to talk absolutely about what we \u201cought\u201d to do, or what is \u201cok\u201d. All of that either falls back on some divine authority, or a sense of social acceptableness, neither of which can reasonably \u201cbind\u201d us without subscribing to an ontotheology. (I\u2019m fighting myself not to rant on the stupidity of Kant and Mill.) OK by whose standards, according to what norm? This is always an important question in moral reasoning, and often the determining question.<\/p>\n

Euthanasia specifically: the famous Swiss clinic is called \u201cDignitas\u201d for a reason. We\u2019re all going to die, and as Heidegger says, it belongs to the heroic spirit of the truly authentic person to confront the inevitability of death, not just as a vague, perpetually-deferred possibility, but as an actual moment, as the possibility that is closest to who we are as humans, the moment of completion that determines the sum total of our lives. I believe that the practice of euthanasia opens people up (who have confronted that most human of realities) to the possibility of dying in a way that fully and harmoniously reflects who they chose to be as human beings. With this option, it is possible to frame a life, to design its conclusion, and to find a truly good end. The word means \u201cdying well\u201d for a reason. I don\u2019t think most people would ever want to do it, but the potential for genuine self-creation in the process of choosing one\u2019s moment and manner of departure is pretty ****ing amazing.<\/p>\n

There was a flip side to this \u2014 whether it\u2019s okay to keep pumping drugs (or oxygen) into someone to keep them alive. I think it\u2019s ok. I think people in a vegetative state should probably be kept alive as long as a relative or living will stipulates. This judgment doesn\u2019t have an absolute character, because there could probably be some case where for good reasons one of these people\u2019s lives had to be terminated, and in abstract I have no issue with that. If there\u2019s no brain functioning, then the person is, for all practical purposes, just a memento of a lost life. If the former person wanted their body to persist in that state as a memorial, then it would be good to respect them. (And, in some cases, not to respect them.)<\/p>\n

And then the third aspect: the difference between intervening to kill and failing to treat. Yes, there is very clearly a difference. Obviously someone can want another person to die and choose either means to kill them, but it seems that the ability for us to reference the two kinds of activity and expect their non-identity to be broadly understood indicates that most people find a difference, and I think this general instinctive agreement that there is a difference is enough to color the moral significance of an action either way. \u201cThere\u2019s nothing either good or bad\u2026\u201d but truly, thinking does make it so. Again, not that any resulting judgments have absolute validity, but I think it would be wrong to deny a moral significance to the difference, though it might swing either way, and the line between the two categories is clearly not absolute. (E.g. failing to treat might cause a wrongful death where one had agreed to terminate a life.)<\/p>\n

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You can vote on whether you think these answers were written by a Christian or an Atheist here<\/a>. \u00a0Comments are open to discuss the substance of the post\u00a0and<\/strong> for speculation about the true beliefs of the author, so please vote before looking at the comments.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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