{"id":8102,"date":"2013-10-09T17:03:11","date_gmt":"2013-10-09T21:03:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/?p=8102"},"modified":"2013-10-09T17:03:11","modified_gmt":"2013-10-09T21:03:11","slug":"replies-on-relationships-with-chaplains-and-others","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/unequallyyoked\/2013\/10\/replies-on-relationships-with-chaplains-and-others.html","title":{"rendered":"Replies on Relationships (with Chaplains and others)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

My two recent posts on relationships (with loved ones \u2013 God included, and with the Yale Chaplain\u2019s office) have both gotten responses I\u2019d like to draw to your attention. \u00a0First off, JT fired back<\/a> after I disputed the idea that Mass-goers were having time stolen from them<\/a> by religion. Here\u2019s an excerpt:<\/p>\n

But that doesn\u2019t respond to what I said. I bolded the important part. [If you\u2019d rather<\/strong> be at home cuddling someone who means the world to you than sitting in a pew, then your religion has stolen a bit of your life. \u2014 interpolated by Leah] There are many people who would rather be doing anything other than church, or who subvert things they would otherwise do, out of fear of judgment, not because of any other reason. That\u2019s where religion starts stealing people\u2019s lives.<\/p>\n

And Leah\u2019s post even solidifies the content of mine. The meaning she assigns to her life is going to church. She goes because she wants to. It\u2019s not externally assigned, but a meaning she\u2019s given to her own life. But let\u2019s not imagine that everybody at Mass\/church isn\u2019t wishing they were somewhere else. Let\u2019s not imagine that every person of faith doesn\u2019t wish to trespass upon the taboos of their faith, and would if only they could realize their faith is not true.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Eh, I think this is the point where our disagreement just dissolves to the overarching disagreement about whether religion is true. \u00a0I can write a reframe where an atheist feeling bored stuffing envelops for an anti-theist event is, by this definition, having time stolen from her, because she would prefer not to be doing this if she could realize her philosophy was incorrect. \u00a0Or that a boy who would like to take a physical relationship slowly, but feels constrained to \u201cbe a real guy\u201d and get intimate quickly is having his modesty stolen by an oversexualized culture.<\/p>\n

But at that point, we\u2019re just both saying that \u201cPeople would regret some things they do because they are consistent with their current philosophy if they found that their worldview were incorrect.\u201d \u00a0Which I think we both agree is true and trivial.<\/p>\n

I think the more interesting point of disagreement is whether you should\u00a0expect<\/em> to be discomfited by your worldview. \u00a0Is it evidence\u00a0against<\/em>\u00a0a philosophy if it has taboos you\u2019d like to transgress? \u00a0What if you don\u2019t\u00a0want<\/em> to follow them, but you\u00a0want to want to<\/em> (i.e. like wishing you wanted to go to the gym). \u00a0I suppose we could sit down on Chesterton\u2019s fence<\/a> and discuss this point instead.<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u2014 \u00a0\u2014 \u00a0\u2014<\/p>\n

In response to \u201cIs it Hard Out Here for a Humanist?\u201d<\/a> (and every other piece on the Yale Humanists being turned down for membership in the Yale Religious Ministries), Chris Stedman has posted two statements: \u201cRegarding the YRM Decision\u201d<\/a> and \u201cClarifying our Relationship with the Yale Chaplain\u2019s Office.\u201d<\/a>. From the former:<\/p>\n

Why Did We Apply?<\/strong><\/p>\n

We applied for membership in this group because the YHC is an intentional moral community. We weigh and discuss questions of ultimate concern. We are bound by a shared identity that speaks to our core values. Humanism is a worldview and life-stance that is, per the third edition of the Humanist Manifesto, \u201cguided by reason, inspired by compassion, and informed by experience.\u201d Like many religious traditions, Humanism has a rich history replete with evolving ideas, narratives, and many profound thinkers. Importantly, it is an identity for people who are often classified by what we do not believe in.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

He goes on to say that the YHC was denied membership because it is non-religious, but that no one is angry with each other and that YHC will work with the Chaplain\u2019s office in other capacities.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m still completely at sea as to what the Yale Religious Ministries actually\u00a0do<\/em>, and what the rights and responsibilities of membership are, and whether Stedman and the Humanists think that\u00a0all\u00a0<\/em>philosophical groups are a fit for the YRM. \u00a0I still think the Objectivist Study Group at Yale hits most of the benchmarks in that blockquote. \u00a0(Well, profound is always debatable, but I will confess I was more enthused about architecture after reading\u00a0The Fountainhead<\/a><\/em>).<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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