{"id":17709,"date":"2011-06-18T18:49:16","date_gmt":"2011-06-18T23:49:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/voxnova\/?p=17709"},"modified":"2011-06-18T18:49:16","modified_gmt":"2011-06-18T23:49:16","slug":"i-am-a-dissenter-and-so-are-you","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/voxnova\/2011\/06\/18\/i-am-a-dissenter-and-so-are-you\/","title":{"rendered":"I am a dissenter. And so are you."},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" title=\"embrace\" src=\"https:\/\/voxnova2.files.wordpress.com\/2011\/06\/embrace_ii_1.jpg?w=224\" alt=\"\" width=\"224\" height=\"300\">Two weekends ago, I spent a lot of time driving. Since I don\u2019t regularly listen to the radio, I decided to tune into Catholic radio stations as much as possible, to get a representative sample of the content. I was very surprised with what I heard: I enjoyed Fr. Benedict Groeschel\u2019s reflections on St. Augustine; I was annoyed by the pious lingo (something like the Catholic \u201cshop talk\u201d I\u2019ve heard on retreat core teams or at Franciscan University of Steubenville and alike) and self-importance of several of the call-in show hosts; I was shocked by the conversation on <em>Women of Grace<\/em> where the host was discussing demonic \u201cportals\u201d and other related topics in ways that were simplistic and seemed superstitious at best and manipulative at worst.<\/p>\n<p>Two of the terms repeated on these Catholic radio shows are the same ones that Kyle has been discussing in his post, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/voxnova\/2011\/06\/16\/am-i-a-dissenter\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cAm I a Dissenter?\u201d<\/a>: \u2018dissent\u2019 and \u2018dissenter.\u2019 Every time these terms were invoked they referred to a class of \u201cfake Catholics\u201d who reject or question the teachings of the Church, scripture, and advocate for things like secularism, moral relativism, feminism, the Democratic party, and more. They also used the term \u2018liberal\u2019 as a synonym for the term \u2018dissenter.\u2019 (Also interesting is the recent news of <del>Fr.<\/del> John Corapi\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/theblacksheepdog.wordpress.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">dissent<\/a>\u2014especially given his strong stance against dissenters in the past. NOTE: This will <em>not<\/em> become a thread about Corapi.)<\/p>\n<p><!--more-->After listening to those radio broadcasts and reading though the comments on Kyle\u2019s post, I think I should fess up: <em>I am a dissenter<\/em>. What matters now is what I <em>mean<\/em> by the term \u2018dissent.\u2019 When I say \u201cI am a dissenter,\u201d what am I trying to say? What do I mean?<\/p>\n<p>This raises the first issue: there is no facile way to understand this, we must struggle to carefully make sense out of what we are saying and meaning. Also: I may mean more than one thing, or I may use the same term to say one general thing in a few different senses. In many ways, making this first claim is an appeal to take this process seriously, to realize that it has both practical and theoretical limits and potential that will require attention and should confuse the entire self-assured discussion about the terms \u2018dissent\u2019 and \u2018dissenter.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>In this first sense, I dissent from the way that the Catholic radio show hosts <em>use<\/em> the term \u2018dissent.\u2019 I dissent from the use of the term \u2018dissent.\u2019 This is obvious: using any term as a substitute for \u201cpeople I don\u2019t like\u201d or \u201cpeople I disagree with\u201d is itself a form of dissent. To call someone a dissenter, as a way to protest their viewpoint, is to express dissent. In this first way, we can see that I am not the only dissenter: you\u2014yes you!\u2014are probably a dissenter too. (If you disagree with me about that, then your dissent proves my point. See?)<\/p>\n<p>The word \u2018dissenter\u2019 comes from the Latin root \u2018<em>dissentire<\/em>,\u2019 meaning \u201cto disagree.\u201d While people may use the term to mean very different things, the word lacks specificity because of the reflexive nature of dis\/agreement. This is very different than, for instance, when we use the word \u2018bat\u2019: we may have some options, depending on whether we are referring to the <em>animal<\/em> \u201cbat\u201d or the <em>baseball<\/em> \u201cbat,\u201d but those options are limited within ordinary language. Even as a metaphor, a lot of words are easier to parse than a term like \u2018dissent,\u2019 a term that moves around.<\/p>\n<p>When people use the word \u2018dissenter,\u2019 they often assume it is a pejorative term. (I would accuse both the Catholic radio show hosts I mentioned and the usage in Kyle\u2019s post of this mistake.) Dissenting supreme court justices, for instance, do not use the term this way. When a supreme court justice writes a <em>dissenting<\/em> opinion, they hardly see themselves as doing something shameful. In fact, when someone dissents from something they feel is worth dissenting from, they often do so as a form of <em>assent<\/em> or obedience to a higher truth. When Augustine says, \u201can unjust law is no law at all,\u201d he is both dissenting unjust laws\u2014indeed, he is denying their very existence as such\u2014<em>and<\/em> he is also assenting to the law of justice.<\/p>\n<p>This is the reflexivity of dissent: it is never done\u2014or at least not done well\u2014in isolation. Dissent requires an assent of some kind, even if that assent is a mystery or something hidden from sight, like the invisibility of the unseen God.<\/p>\n<p>Again: I am a dissenter. You, most likely, are too. We all are\u2014at least, those of us arguing here and elsewhere.<\/p>\n<p>What this means is that, beyond semantics, when we agree or disagree, there is a dialectical, reflexive thing happening. As I understand philosophy and theology, this reflexive dialectic is unavoidable. Both history and language seem to carry it in their structure and practice.<\/p>\n<p>To be a faithful Catholic does not require dissent or assent. One can be faithful outside the domain of philosophy and theology. To be Catholic is not necessarily an intellectual pursuit. One can have the faith of Monica, without the tormented beauty of Augustine\u2019s restlessness. But if you do enter into the discourse of philosophy and theology, then you <em>must<\/em> dissent. The question is to what, for what reason, how, when, and beyond.<\/p>\n<p>I suspect that anyone reading here is a dissenter\u2014even if they are dissenting from dissent expressed by dissenters (like me!). What we might consider is the life led by those who are beyond the dialectics of language and history and (ir)rational theory: the faithful. The Church. God.<\/p>\n<p>I suspect the problem is that too many of us think that God is a theorist or a theologian or a philosopher\u2014<em>the<\/em> perfect thinker of things, the one with the answer key. My intuition, my hope, and my prayer is that God is something more like a surprise.<\/p>\n<p>In the meantime, though, we should be honest with ourselves and admit to being snared in this knot of dissent and assent that can become so tangled-up that the two are hard to distinguish. Where does one end and the other begin? If the blogosphere shows anything it proves this: we\u2014those of us tangled in this Gordian knot\u2014are all dissenters.<\/p>\n<p>We should not aspire to assent. After all, it implies and requires its dissident converse. Instead, we should look beyond and aspire to holiness. To assent is not to be holy. To be holy is to dwell in the divine surprise of love.<\/p>\n<p>I have never been more surprised by anything in my entire life than by love. We are astonished by love. We do not assent or dissent love, we do not agree or disagree with it: we simply return the embrace.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Two weekends ago, I spent a lot of time driving. Since I don\u2019t regularly listen to the radio, I decided to tune into Catholic radio stations as much as possible, to get a representative sample of the content. I was very surprised with what I heard: I enjoyed Fr. 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