{"id":187,"date":"2010-03-29T19:23:00","date_gmt":"2010-03-29T19:23:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2010\/03\/contradictions-in-dogens-monkey-zen\/"},"modified":"2010-03-29T19:23:00","modified_gmt":"2010-03-29T19:23:00","slug":"contradictions-in-dogens-monkey-zen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2010\/03\/contradictions-in-dogens-monkey-zen.html","title":{"rendered":"Contradictions in Dogen&#8217;s Monkey Zen"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/S7FAt-vMSTI\/AAAAAAAAA1o\/HC42V4xO0U4\/s1600\/monkey.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/S7FAt-vMSTI\/AAAAAAAAA1o\/HC42V4xO0U4\/s400\/monkey.jpg\" width=\"92\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'>\n<p> <span style=\"font-size: large\"><span class=\"apple-style-span\">At the workshop at Boundless Way a couple weekends ago, like usual, I emphasized the importance of discovering the subtle point of what Dogen refers to as the Buddha and ancestors\u2019 wondrous method. In this spirit I offered a Dogen verse in zazen that included this line:<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span class=\"apple-style-span\"><i>Do not control the monkey mind<\/i><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span class=\"apple-style-span\"><i>or the horse will.<\/i><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span class=\"apple-style-span\"><i>Make effort like a lotus in fire.<\/i><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><span style=\"font-size: large\">The week before, the online practice period studied a section of Dogen\u2019s <i>Instructions for the Cook<\/i> that included this passage:<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><i><span style=\"font-size: large\">That you still do not grasp the certainty of this principle is because your thinking scatters, like wild horses, and your emotions run wild, like monkeys in a forest. If you can make those monkeys and horses, just once, take the backward step that turns the light and shines it inward, then naturally you will be completely integrated.\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><span style=\"font-size: large\">There seems to be a contradiction here, don\u2019t you think \u2013 don\u2019t control the monkey mind and do make the monkey turn around. What do you make of this?<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><span style=\"font-size: large\">Dogen could have been offering different advise to different audiences although both seem to have been given to his monks.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><span style=\"font-size: large\">He could have changed his tune. The first passage is from late in his career and the latter is from early. However, I once asked Katagiri Roshi if Dogen\u2019s thought developed over his career. \u201cNo development,\u201d he said, \u201cexactly same and one from beginning to end.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><span style=\"font-size: large\">Another possibility is that the limitation is from the side of the mind that sees the contradiction, and that Dogen\u2019s subtle point is free within not controlling and controlling.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif;margin-left: 1.5in'><span style=\"font-size: large\">How does this roll out in your practice?\u00a0<\/span><i><span style=\"font-size: large\"> <\/span><\/i> <\/div>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4330911338438640912-839020689284645690?l=wildfoxzen.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>At the workshop at Boundless Way a couple weekends ago, like usual, I emphasized the importance of discovering the subtle point of what Dogen refers to as the Buddha and ancestors\u2019 wondrous method. 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