{"id":282,"date":"2009-08-30T08:15:00","date_gmt":"2009-08-30T08:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2009\/08\/mudballs-and-buddhas\/"},"modified":"2009-08-30T08:15:00","modified_gmt":"2009-08-30T08:15:00","slug":"mudballs-and-buddhas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2009\/08\/mudballs-and-buddhas.html","title":{"rendered":"Mudballs and Buddhas"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/Spp7lg4f3wI\/AAAAAAAAAks\/rv3P_EcYvok\/s1600-h\/101_1023.JPG\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;float: left;cursor: pointer;width: 240px;height: 320px\" src=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/Spp7lg4f3wI\/AAAAAAAAAks\/rv3P_EcYvok\/s320\/101_1023.JPG\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><!--[endif]--><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> In response to recent posts distinguishing silent illumination and shikantaza, a couple practitioners wondered, \u201cSo what?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">This is an important question. Simply put, imho, because the Buddha <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>dharma<\/a> is infinitely subtle (and incomparably profound too, as the verse before the dharma talk says). <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">When the Buddha held up a flower and Mahakasyapa smiled, the Buddha recognized that he had realized the eye of the subtle dharma. Dogen wrote the nearly 100 chapters of the Shobogenzo to roll around that jewel.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">And I can report that after 30-odd years of practice, that this sure is in line with my experience \u2013 subtle and ungraspable \u2026 and yet is not nothing. Therefore, careful understanding and practice it is necessary to discover and play with the real McCoy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">That said, there are other reasons that we moderns, like the ancients, quibble about practice details and our understanding. Like J.P. Morgan said, \u201cA man always has two reasons for doing anything: a good reason and the real reason.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">That\u2019s a bit cynical (although I\u2019d self-servingly rather regard it as having worked through my idealism) but it does point to how we\u2019re all complex and a thick (rather than thin and one dimensional) explanation for what we do and say embraces more of the complexity of our human personalities. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Take the silent illumination\/koan debate Song Dynasty China that has continued through Japan to today. Hongzhi and Dahui (and many others that they represent) were certainly, imv, deeply, authentically concerned with the freedom of their students and so taught silent illumination and koan introspection, respectively.<br><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">At the same time, they worked to establish the authenticity of their lineages, sometimes stretching and gluing together stories that legitimized them to their political and economic supporters in order to perpetuate their lineages. Once again, see  <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/How-Zen-Became-Enlightenment-Song-Dynasty\/dp\/0824832558\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1249741735&amp;sr=8-1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">How Zen Became Zen: The Dispute Over Enlightenment and the Formation of Chan Buddhism in the Song-Dynasty China<\/span><\/span><\/a><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> by Morten Schlutter for more on this.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Dahui criticized the enlightenment of Soto teachers. Dogen asserts (<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.shastaabbey.org\/shobogenzo1.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">see <\/span><span style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Jisho Zammai<\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> online here<\/span><\/a><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">) that Dahui himself never had a verified enlightenment and suggests the Dahui\u2019s venomous attacks on the Soto line are due to his emotional trauma that resulted from a couple Soto teachers refusing to give him transmission.<br><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Awareness of the economic and political motivations of the great teachers is one important dimension to fully appreciating what they had to say. It puts them in a human context.<br><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<\/p><p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Enlightened people can be self-centered. Selfishness and selfishlessness (a Katagiri term) are entangled for all of us, moment by moment, more or less. Denying the tangle leads to fragile idealism that will crack and crumble. Acknowledging it is healthy in that it promotes openness and intimacy. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">You might find me cynical, but in my view, that\u2019s as good as it gets. A Zen teacher is a teacher to the extent that s\/he embraces his\/her humanness. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">And as Dogen said, \u201cThe bigger the mud ball, the bigger the Buddha.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4330911338438640912-67705183969637081?l=wildfoxzen.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In response to recent posts distinguishing silent illumination and shikantaza, a couple practitioners wondered, \u201cSo what?\u201d This is an important question. Simply put, imho, because the Buddha dharma is infinitely subtle (and incomparably profound too, as the verse before the dharma talk says). 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