{"id":2982,"date":"2015-04-06T11:39:56","date_gmt":"2015-04-06T17:39:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/?p=2982"},"modified":"2015-04-06T15:19:31","modified_gmt":"2015-04-06T21:19:31","slug":"restraining-the-nevertheless-deluded-one-vine-of-obstacles-turns-two","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2015\/04\/restraining-the-nevertheless-deluded-one-vine-of-obstacles-turns-two.html","title":{"rendered":"Restraining the Nevertheless Deluded One: Vine of Obstacles Turns Two"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/88\/2015\/04\/DSCN0581.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-2983\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/88\/2015\/04\/DSCN0581-300x280.jpg\" alt=\"DSCN0581\" width=\"300\" height=\"280\"><\/a>\u201cSeek out and restrain someone who is \u2018nevertheless deluded,\u2019 and you will eventually encounter a greatly enlightened person.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So says Dogen in his \u201cGreat Enlightenment\u201d fascicle.<\/p>\n<p>To seek out the one who is \u201cnevertheless deluded,\u201d is just this person seeking just this person.<\/p>\n<p>The nevertheless deluded one enters a plea \u2013 \u201cGuilty as charged.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And herein lies our possibility for liberation. The buddhadharma is incredible like that. Of the many possibilities in the universe for a liberative practice, it turns out that by restraining this very deluded person, through intimate self knowledge, we meet the greatly enlightened person.<\/p>\n<p>Indeed, the nevertheless deluded person and the greatly enlightened person share the same internet address.<\/p>\n<p>Ah, but how can the nevertheless deluded person be restrained?<\/p>\n<p>In our zazen, we rest our sense of subjectivity at the hara point and study the self, forgetting the self. When we take up Buddha\u2019s teaching, we become the one who is listening and the one who is speaking. When we engage the world, we hide ourselves in the sixteen bodhisattva precepts.<\/p>\n<p>To hear more about this, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.greattideszen.com\/calling-the-self-weekly-dharma-talk\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">click here<\/a> for a recent dharma talk on Gateless Barrier, \u201cCase 12 Ruiyan Calls \u2018Master\u2019.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>All these are means of restraint, entering the bamboo tube of the buddhadharma.<\/p>\n<p>One of the ways to enjoy this Zen work, meeting the dear darling deluded one who encounters the greatly enlightened one logged into your computer just now, is through the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.greattideszen.com\/vine-of-obstacles-online-support-for-zen-training\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Vine of Obstacles: Online Support for Zen Training<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>And about that, I have happy news. We just turned two-years-old!<\/p>\n<p>Looking back at my 2013 calendar, I experienced a rush of joy seeing the handful of practitioners who started the Vine of Obstacles experiment and who continue now in a community of a few dozen, including students from the Portland, Maine, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.greattideszen.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Great Tides Zen<\/a> community, and my old wild fox haunts in Minnesota.<\/p>\n<p>In the last couple years, we\u2019ve done a lot of zazen, many hours of dharma study, many moments of engaging the world through the dharma. Deluded ones have been restrained and have encountered the greatly enlightened one! A cause for celebration, indeed.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cSeek out and restrain someone who is \u2018nevertheless deluded,\u2019 and you will eventually encounter a greatly enlightened person.\u201d So says Dogen in his \u201cGreat Enlightenment\u201d fascicle. To seek out the one who is \u201cnevertheless deluded,\u201d is just this person seeking just this person. The nevertheless deluded one enters a plea \u2013 \u201cGuilty as charged.\u201d And [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":182,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2982","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Restraining the Nevertheless Deluded One: Vine of Obstacles Turns Two<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&quot;Seek out and restrain someone who is &#039;nevertheless deluded,&#039; and you will eventually encounter a greatly enlightened person.&quot; So says Dogen in his &quot;Great\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2015\/04\/restraining-the-nevertheless-deluded-one-vine-of-obstacles-turns-two.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Restraining the Nevertheless Deluded One: Vine of Obstacles Turns Two\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"&quot;Seek out and restrain someone who is &#039;nevertheless deluded,&#039; 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