{"id":313,"date":"2009-06-24T08:45:00","date_gmt":"2009-06-24T08:45:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2009\/06\/big-mind-does-size-really-matter\/"},"modified":"2009-06-24T08:45:00","modified_gmt":"2009-06-24T08:45:00","slug":"big-mind-does-size-really-matter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2009\/06\/big-mind-does-size-really-matter.html","title":{"rendered":"Big Mind: Does Size Really Matter?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/SkI3ODt7D1I\/AAAAAAAAAf0\/EZMjh7DIb_M\/s1600-h\/101_0865.JPG\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;float: left;cursor: pointer;width: 320px;height: 240px\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/SkI3ODt7D1I\/AAAAAAAAAf0\/EZMjh7DIb_M\/s320\/101_0865.JPG\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><br><span style=\"font-family:Times;font-size:78%\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family:georgia\"><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-family:Times;font-size:78%\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family:georgia\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">A little while back during one of our Dogen study sessions, the notion of size came up, as in Big Self and Big Mind.\n<p>It seemed to miss whatever point we were working on at the time, a way of disparaging the small and aggrandizing the big. So I challenged the group to point to a classical source that used that notion. I really couldn\u2019t think of anything and nobody else could either.<\/p>\n<p>I might have used the Jewel Mirror Samadhi to erode the significance of Big, \u201cSo minute it enters where there is no gap, so vast it transcends dimension.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Or Terri Clark, \u201cSize doesn\u2019t matter anyway,\u201d in her hit Country single, \u201c<\/p><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ESMIQLvKZ7A\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family:georgia\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Girls Lie Too<\/span><\/span><\/a><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family:georgia\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">\u201d (you have to wait for the line and I grant that a lot of the song doesn\u2019t harmonize with my point\u2026and I probably quote her just a bit too much\u2026).\n<p>Anyway, how about you? Can you quote a saying from the sutras or commentaries in support of \u201cBig Self\u201d or \u201cBig Mind?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Shortly after the session, I had one of those \u201cHomer Simpson\u2019s Big Da\u201d moments, remembering Maha (Great) Yana (Vehicle) and a Bigger Da when Dogen\u2019s Three Minds (Joyful, Elder or Parental, and Great Minds) bubbled up from \u201c<\/p><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/hcbss.stanford.edu\/research\/projects\/sztp\/translations\/eihei_shingi\/translations\/tenzo_kyokun\/translation.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family:georgia\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Instructions for the Cook<\/span><\/span><\/a><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family:georgia\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">.\u201d\n<p>About Daishin (Great or Big or Magnanimous Mind) he writes:<\/p>\n<p><\/p><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family:georgia\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">So-called great mind is, in its                   spirit, like a great mountain or a great sea: it has no partiality                   and no factionalism. Lifting an ounce, it does not consider it                   light; hefting a stone, it does not consider it heavy. Being drawn                   by the voices of spring, it does not wander into the swamp of                   spring. Although it sees the colors of autumn, it has nothing                   whatsoever of the spirit of autumn. It contrasts the four seasons                   against the backdrop of a single vista. It views pennyweights                   and ounces [of silver] within the context of a single system                   of measurement.\n<p><\/p><\/span><\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family:georgia\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">\u201cGreat Mind\u201d here is a simile where the characteristic shared by a big mountain or a vast sea and the great mind is that they all allow everything to come and go without attachment within a single immeasurable, impartial system of measurement.\n<p>How can this be applied?<\/p>\n<p>This summer I\u2019ve been out walking Bodhi more during the times that my neighbors are around (if you want to meet your neighbors, get a dog) and have had some good talks. And Bodhi has gotten to play more with other dogs, including his best friend, pictured above.<\/p>\n<p>In my personal, Zen and education worlds I tend to hang out either with the liberal, well-educated and spiritually-oriented or teachers and tough, mostly African-American teens. The neighbors I talk with most are white, working-class, middle-age (and beyond) men. We share deep concerns about where the USA is going, seeing most trend lines as leading to big trouble. Tens of trillions in debt, for example.<\/p>\n<p>What does Dogen\u2019s Great Mind have to do with this?<\/p>\n<p>Well, for one thing, if we open to all the possibilities like a great mountain and fully accept responsibility for where we\u2019re really at, the virtues of small and simple would become obvious, me thinks. A truly meaningful life (and finding affection for one\u2019s life) for an individual or a county has little to do with the size of our empire, military, economy, house, car\/truck, spiritual experience, etc.<\/p>\n<p>According to the happiness researchers, beyond about $10,000 income, connections with self and others and meaning are much more significant.<\/p>\n<p>Comments on this welcome.<\/p><\/span><\/span><br><span style=\"font-style: italic\"><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4330911338438640912-6299155747304228736?l=wildfoxzen.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A little while back during one of our Dogen study sessions, the notion of size came up, as in Big Self and Big Mind. 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