{"id":338,"date":"2009-05-07T08:08:00","date_gmt":"2009-05-07T08:08:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2009\/05\/is-it-okay-for-zen-practitioners-to-have-emotions\/"},"modified":"2009-05-07T08:08:00","modified_gmt":"2009-05-07T08:08:00","slug":"is-it-okay-for-zen-practitioners-to-have-emotions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2009\/05\/is-it-okay-for-zen-practitioners-to-have-emotions.html","title":{"rendered":"Is It Okay For Zen Practitioners To Have Emotions?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/SgLdlAYmVZI\/AAAAAAAAAaY\/cyx9W8gjMXI\/s1600-h\/101_0701.JPG\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px;float: left;width: 320px;height: 240px\" alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/SgLdlAYmVZI\/AAAAAAAAAaY\/cyx9W8gjMXI\/s320\/101_0701.JPG\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\">This might seem like a silly question but the recent discussion of the experiences of Lou Nordstrom as presented in the <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2009\/04\/26\/magazine\/26zen-t.html?_r=3&amp;ref=magazine\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201c<span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\">Enlightement Therapy\u201d<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\"> article (buzzin\u2019 in the Zen whirl), invites a response. \u201c\u2026Don\u2019t have any human emotions,\u201d is one admonition that his teacher is quoted making to Nordstrom.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\">In my view, whether this is skillful or not depends on the context. If the teacher was encouraging the \u201cdropping body and mind\u201d or \u201cnot-thinking\u201d or the \u201cgreat death\u201d where there are no human (or other) emotions, the instruction was appropriate. If it was a blanket statement, it\u2019s whacked. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\">My own experience is that a secondary effect of Zen practice-verification is to open up the field of emotions as it facilitates letting go of whatever arises.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\">However, one might wonder whether this is in line with the ancients or is just some modern perversion. So I cite the passage below from <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Dogens-Extensive-Record-Translation-Koroku\/dp\/0861713052\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1241711430&amp;sr=8-1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\"><em>Dogen\u2019s Extensive Record<\/em><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family:georgia\"><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><em>. <\/em>This isn\u2019t at all the only passage in Dogen\u2019s writing where he expresses grief and there are a lot where he sure sounds mad. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family:georgia\"><span style=\"font-size:130%\">A little background first. Sokai received <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>dharma<\/a> transmission (shortly after Ejo and probably before the only other likely Dogen-transmitted disciple, Sen\u2019ne) when in his early twenties and died from unknown causes at 27 prior to the move to Eiheiji. Seems like he must have been a dharma golden child, much like D-z. Below Dogen shows his broken heart \u2013 and his moving-on. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\">111. Dharma Discourse on Behalf of the Deceased Head Monk Sokai [Dogen] recited Sokai\u2019s Death verse: <\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><\/em><em><span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\">In twenty-seven years, <\/span><\/em><br><em><span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\">My ancient debt is not repaid.<\/span><\/em><br><em><span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\">Leaping over the empty sky,<\/span><\/em><br><em><span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\">I shoot myself into hell like an arrow.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-family:georgia;font-size:130%\">After reciting this the teacher [Dogen] said: Last night Sokai (Sangha Ocean) dried up. How profusely the cloud and water monks have been crying! Although I see you [Sokai] down to the bottom, tears fill my breast like an overflowing lake. Yesterday I held up and shook the whisk for your spirit. With this one word upon your departure, I don\u2019t wait for you to revive. <\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4330911338438640912-1707530868705364814?l=wildfoxzen.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This might seem like a silly question but the recent discussion of the experiences of Lou Nordstrom as presented in the \u201cEnlightement Therapy\u201d article (buzzin\u2019 in the Zen whirl), invites a response. \u201c\u2026Don\u2019t have any human emotions,\u201d is one admonition that his teacher is quoted making to Nordstrom. 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