{"id":361,"date":"2009-03-31T17:26:00","date_gmt":"2009-03-31T17:26:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2009\/03\/genjokoan-4a-realization-beyond-realization\/"},"modified":"2009-03-31T17:26:00","modified_gmt":"2009-03-31T17:26:00","slug":"genjokoan-4a-realization-beyond-realization","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2009\/03\/genjokoan-4a-realization-beyond-realization.html","title":{"rendered":"Genjokoan 4a: Realization Beyond Realization"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/SdKYntgIojI\/AAAAAAAAAVs\/OEHISaojOXc\/s1600-h\/101_0603.JPG\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;float: left;cursor: pointer;width: 320px;height: 240px\" src=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/SdKYntgIojI\/AAAAAAAAAVs\/OEHISaojOXc\/s320\/101_0603.JPG\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Before<\/span><\/span><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> I get to that, a story comes to mind. I don\u2019t remember if I heard this from a friend or read it, probably in <\/span><span style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Crooked Cucumber<\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">.<\/span><\/span><b><i><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> <\/span><\/span><\/i><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><\/span><\/span><\/b><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">And instead of looking it up, I\u2019ll tell it from memory \u2013 so please regard it as such. <\/span><\/span><b><i><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><\/span><\/span><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Soon after Tassajara was established, Suzuku Roshi invited Yasutani Roshi and his attendant\/assistant teacher, Phillip Kapleau to come by. Other teachers might have been there too. I believe Katagiri Sensei, Chino Sensei (they were not yet Roshi\u2019s) and maybe the Rinzai teacher Edo Shimano were there as well.<br><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Yasutani was well known for being openly critical of the straight Soto school and suggested that he was the most qualified person with whom students should train, given his kensho and training in koans. There was an indirect suggestion, I believe, that the Soto teachers present weren\u2019t even realized. This sentiment was amplified by Kapleau. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">A number of the Tassajara students, invested as they were in their teachers\u2019 realization, took some offense and some of the conversation was quite heated.<br><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Suzuki, Katagiri and Chino didn\u2019t appear to be bothered by the suggestions but the students went on talking about who they felt was the best teacher.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">That night all the teachers attended zazen and when the monitor went around with the kyosaku (awakening stick) every one of the teachers was asleep \u2013 some snoring softly.<br><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">That brings me to realization beyond realization and\/or delusion within delusion and this next sentence from the <\/span><span style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Genjokoan:<\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><br><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><\/span><\/span><b><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><\/span><\/span><i><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Furthermore, there are those who attain realization beyond realization and those who are deluded within delusion.<\/span><\/span><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">This is the next sentence of the <\/span><i><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Genjokoan<\/span><\/i><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> and on Thursday night we\u2019ll be discussing it along with those I posted earlier:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><b><i><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Those who greatly realize delusion are buddhas.<\/span><span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> <\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Those who are greatly deluded in realization are living beings.<\/span><span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Delusion and realization, living beings and buddhas \u2013 heads and tails of the same coin, the directly manifesting the identity and difference within the total function. Phew!<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">I\u2019ve been reading Nishiari Bokusan\u2019s commentary (one of Suzuki Roshi\u2019s teacher\u2019s teacher) and have been impressed with how much he emphasizes realization given the rough treatment that Yasutani in his <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Flowers-Fall-Commentary-Master-Genjokoan\/dp\/157062674X\/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1238539285&amp;sr=8-1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Flowers Fall: A Commentary on Zen Master Dogen\u2019s Genjo Koan<\/span><\/span><\/a><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> dishes his way for not emphasizing realization.<br><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Brousing around the web I was surprised to learn that Yasutani studied with Bokusan when Yasutani was a young man. So maybe it was just one of those student \u201creaction\u201d th\u2019angs.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Anyway, here\u2019s a little taste of Bokusan\u2019s commentary:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">\u201cIt is said that to still be able to se the self at the time of the ultimate fruition, you need to be enlightened on top of being enlightened. Then what is this enlightenment? It is to annihilate all traces of enlightenment\u2026. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">\u201cNevertheless, we do need a place to enter at the beginning where we have great realization of delusion. But if you stop there, you will have the disease of enlightenment, so whatever enlightenment you have, you should let go of all traces of that enlightenment\u2026.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">\u201cWhen we say \u201cattaining realization beyond realization\u201d and \u201cdelusion within delusion\u201d it is the activity of delusion and realization. Those who are deluded are deluded thoroughly\u2026. If you are deluded through and through, you become one with an enlightened person. When you are realized through and through, you become one with a deluded person. Thus it is said, \u201cGreat realization furthers delusion\u2026.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 0in 0in 10pt\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%;color:black\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">\u201cWhat is called delusion is as it is and what is called realization is as it is on the scale of <\/span><i><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Genjokoan<\/span><\/i><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">. Delusion should not be detested and realization does not need to be devoured.\u201d<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4330911338438640912-6660200734037474990?l=wildfoxzen.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Before I get to that, a story comes to mind. I don\u2019t remember if I heard this from a friend or read it, probably in Crooked Cucumber. And instead of looking it up, I\u2019ll tell it from memory \u2013 so please regard it as such. Soon after Tassajara was established, Suzuku Roshi invited Yasutani Roshi [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":182,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-361","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Genjokoan 4a: Realization Beyond Realization<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Before I get to that, a story comes to mind. I don&#039;t remember if I heard this from a friend or read it, probably in Crooked Cucumber. 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