{"id":399,"date":"2009-02-05T18:37:00","date_gmt":"2009-02-05T18:37:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2009\/02\/chickens-ducks-same-or-different\/"},"modified":"2009-02-05T18:37:00","modified_gmt":"2009-02-05T18:37:00","slug":"chickens-ducks-same-or-different","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2009\/02\/chickens-ducks-same-or-different.html","title":{"rendered":"Chickens, Ducks: Same or Different?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/SYuGWjvJ7-I\/AAAAAAAAARE\/PGPAr9J4CSU\/s1600-h\/101_0440.JPG\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:left;margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer;cursor:hand;width: 320px;height: 240px\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/SYuGWjvJ7-I\/AAAAAAAAARE\/PGPAr9J4CSU\/s320\/101_0440.JPG\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\"><\/a><\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Today\u2019s photo: clear sky, far off moon and the trees reaching.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">I wanted to share a personal story about karma and rebirth that could be understood to support next-life theory. I tried to write a short version now and it didn\u2019t work so I\u2019ll get back to it when I have more time.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">For today, my priority is to share a koan with you that Dogen uses when discussing the knotty issue of Zen not relying on words or sutras but just the transmission of the One Mind. We\u2019ll probably work with this in Ann Arbor this weekend. The koan begins with a question that is up in the moon \u2013 the intention of the Ancestors and all. The answer brings it home to chickens and ducks while not building a palace in either <\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">same<\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> or <\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">different<\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">The koan appears in <\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.wwzc.org\/translations\/DogenBukkyo.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Bukkyo (Buddha\u2019s Sutras)<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">, here translated by\u00a0by Yasuda Joshu Dainen roshi\u00a0and Anzan Hoshin roshi:<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Once a monk asked Baling, \u201cThe intention of the Ancestors and the intention of the sutras: Are they the same or different?\u201d<br><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">The master said, \u201cWhen a chicken is cold it climbs a tree; when a duck is cold it goes into the water.\u201d<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">Dogen\u2019s Comment:<\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> We must study this saying through practice, looking for the Ancestor\u2019s interpretation of the Buddha Way by seeing and listening to the Buddha\u2019s sutras. The monk\u2019s question concerns the sameness or difference between the intention of the Ancestors and the intention of the sutras. Baling\u2019s answer when a chicken is cold it climbs a tree; when a duck is cold it goes into the water seems to indicate a difference; however this difference is not the usual difference of most people\u2019s views of same or different. Baling is beyond limited views of same or difference and is saying, same yet different. And so, we should not ask about same or different in that way.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">\u201cStudy this saying through practice.\u201d That\u2019s the way of koan work in Soto Zen. Through practice. Okay? In it and through it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">If we want to live like a leaping fish, we are not to ask about the normal way of seeing <\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">same<\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> and <\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">different <\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">because that would be stuck in limited views and being stuck in limited views is just so utterly tiring and suffering.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">How are we to ask about <\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">same<\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">\u00a0and <\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">different? <\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">In other words, what is<\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> same <\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">and<\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\"> different <\/span><\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">beyond limited views?<\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size:medium\">For now, I\u2019ll leave that for any of you who would like to come forward and speak through practice about chickens and ducks.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4330911338438640912-2368167811178354803?l=wildfoxzen.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today\u2019s photo: clear sky, far off moon and the trees reaching. I wanted to share a personal story about karma and rebirth that could be understood to support next-life theory. 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