{"id":46,"date":"2011-05-16T14:01:00","date_gmt":"2011-05-16T14:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2011\/05\/which-is-stronger-zazen-or-daily-life\/"},"modified":"2011-05-16T14:01:00","modified_gmt":"2011-05-16T14:01:00","slug":"which-is-stronger-zazen-or-daily-life","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2011\/05\/which-is-stronger-zazen-or-daily-life.html","title":{"rendered":"Which is Stronger &#8211; Zazen or Daily Life?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-3XxEmG3IDfg\/TdFDeI30v4I\/AAAAAAAABVo\/j-2UP8D-gNk\/s1600\/strong-weak-man.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"267\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-3XxEmG3IDfg\/TdFDeI30v4I\/AAAAAAAABVo\/j-2UP8D-gNk\/s400\/strong-weak-man.jpg\" width=\"400\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Today I\u2019m offering a question for reflection and discussion, so if you\u2019d like to post a comment, go for it.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Here\u2019s the question(s): For practicing and verifying the buddhadharma, what is the role of zazen and daily life? Which is more important? In your practice now, which is stronger \u2013 zazen or daily life?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>The framing of this issue comes from <\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><i>Lectures on the Ten Oxherding Pictures<\/i>, by Yamada Mumon, one of the most important Rinzai teachers of the 1900s. It\u2019s a delightful book and I\u2019ll soon be writing more about the Ten Oxen.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>In Yamada\u2019s view (quoted more fully below), after becoming <i>Mu <\/i>in zazen, daily life is more important both because <\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><i>\u201c\u2026kensho <\/i>achieved while sitting on a zazen cushion is weak\u201d and because <\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>it is in daily life where this <i>samadhi<\/i> is smashed.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Then, Yamada writes, <\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>\u201c\u2026our buddha-nature reveals itself clearly in our daily work.\u201d<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Simply put, Yamada seems to see daily life as strong and zazen as weak (at least after a certain point in our process). <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>On the other hand, quite a different view is presented by Soto teacher Shohaku Okumuru in <i>Realizing Genjokoan.<\/i><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'> \u201cThis just sitting in <\/span><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>zazen is itself the practice of nirvana.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>This is also quoted more fully below.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Okumura sees daily life as a succession of roles (husband, father, teacher) that are based on I and thou, subject and object. It is in zazen, he says, where we become nothing and are free from our karmic life.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><br><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'> <\/span><\/span><br><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'> Simply put, zazen is strong and daily life is weak.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Pretty different, eh?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Setting aside Yamada and Okumura, how is it really for you? <\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>In your practice now, which is stronger \u2013 zazen or daily life?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Here\u2019s the passages cited above:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>\u201cWhen you have been able to achieve the <i>samadhi<\/i> of <i>Mu <\/i>in zazen and have got some understanding of Joshu\u2019s <\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><i>Mu, <\/i>we provisionally call this<i> kensho. <\/i>But <i>kensho <\/i>achieved while sitting on a zazen cushion is weak in action. Through contact with the outside world, you must also grasp the life that throbs there. The power that you\u2019ve built up through <i>samadhi <\/i>in zazen is smashed to pieces by the sounds of the outside world; it is shattered by the sights of the outside world. At that point, suddenly our self-nature externalizes and throbs into life. Is the sound me? Or am I the sound? The sound and I are one; the sound and I go \u201cGong!\u201d when subject and object are one, there the ox comes trotting along. Buddha-nature is not a precious antique to be wrapped in brocade and packed away in a wooden box. Our buddha-nature reveals itself clearly in our daily work. That is because buddha-nature is act, activity (from <i>Lectures on the Ten Oxherding Pictures<\/i>, by Yamada Mumon, p. 39).\u201d<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>\u201cIn zazen we are not pulled around <\/span><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>by the objects of our thinking or emotions, so we are released from <\/span><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>the three poisonous minds that bind us to samsara. This just sitting in <\/span><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>zazen is itself the practice of nirvana. <\/span><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>I am a <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>Buddhist<\/a> priest and I am also my wife\u2019s husband and my <\/span><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>children\u2019s father\u2026. <\/span><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>These roles are like clothing I put on <\/span><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>in different situations, and I define who I am according to the role I <\/span><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>am doing my best to fulfill at the time. But when I sit facing the wall, I am neither a father nor a Buddhist priest. At that time I am nothing. <\/span><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>I am empty. I am just who I am. This is liberation from my karmic life (from <i>Realizing Genjokoan: The Key to Dogen\u2019s Shobogenzo<\/i>, by Shohaku Okumura, p. 89-90).\u201d <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4330911338438640912-5438152835529189297?l=wildfoxzen.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today I\u2019m offering a question for reflection and discussion, so if you\u2019d like to post a comment, go for it. Here\u2019s the question(s): For practicing and verifying the buddhadharma, what is the role of zazen and daily life? Which is more important? In your practice now, which is stronger \u2013 zazen or daily life? 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