{"id":476,"date":"2008-11-12T13:14:00","date_gmt":"2008-11-12T13:14:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness\/"},"modified":"2008-11-12T13:14:00","modified_gmt":"2008-11-12T13:14:00","slug":"teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html","title":{"rendered":"Teacher-Student Relationship, Healing, and Seamlessness"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div>\n<table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"5\" cellspacing=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"center\">\n<div style=\"padding: 0pt 5px\"><a target=\"_blank\" id=\"logo\" href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/webhp?hl=en\" title=\"Go to Google Home\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/z.about.com\/d\/chinesefood\/1\/0\/x\/F\/1\/Lotus_Root.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/tbn0.google.com\/images?q=tbn:_9g_8UeETkXI6M:z.about.com\/d\/chinesefood\/1\/0\/x\/F\/1\/Lotus_Root.jpg\" width=\"78\" height=\"86\"><\/a><\/p><\/td>\n<td><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Here are some recent questions and my responses (your comments welcome too):<\/p><\/div>\n<div> <\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div><em>What is good work for the teacher-student relationship? For example, did you discuss personal issues much with Katagiri? Was he open to that? With students, can you do that\u2013or is that kind of thing a problem?<\/em><\/div>\n<p><em><\/em><\/p>\n<div>Good work in the teacher-student relationship is case-by-case, depending on where the student is at and how the teacher can serve the truth in any given interaction. Therefore, there is no such thing as a single kind of \u201cteacher-student relationship.\u201d <\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div>I didn\u2019t talk much about personal issues by themselves with Katagiri. When I did it sometimes it seemed that he either didn\u2019t get it, didn\u2019t want to talk about it, or came from such a Japanese cultural perspective that it wasn\u2019t real helpful. Some of that was probably my own resistance. Roshi did work with some students primarily on daily life issues. From my perspective, it often didn\u2019t go so well. It left him exhausted and students reinforced in their emotional needy patterns.<\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div>How the practice impacts daily life and how to apply the practice to daily life is clearly relevant, especially to Soto training \u2013 but it\u2019s a slippery slip into psychologizing.  <\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div>I do less and less of that myself. When I was a new teacher I was more patient and willing to wander around with a student\u2019s swirling emotions, waiting for an educable \u201cZen\u201d moment. Now it seems there isn\u2019t so much time and that the fundamental issue of life and death (the primary issue in Zen) is best addressed as directly as possible. <\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div>To focus on the primary, a teacher has to be willing to have a very small group and be willing to  utterly fail to transmit the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>dharma<\/a> rather than compromise her\/his innermost intention.<\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div>Also, I\u2019m not a trained psychologist and think that if that is what people need, they are best served seeing someone who is specifically trained for that. <\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div><em>Second\u2026Do you feel zazen and Zen practice as a whole\u2013vows, everyday mindfulness, etc.\u2013helped to address so-called emotional pain-body or emotional past in you?<\/em> <\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div>Yes, like a very sharp knife cuts through a lotus root. And like when we walk in the mist our coat is suddenly soaked through.<\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div><em>When you sit with no gaining idea does life eventually become a seamless event without a gaining idea? Is it \u201cjust to live\u201d in the same context as \u201cwe just sit\u201d? <\/em>\n<p>Yes, when the Buddha Way leaps from gain and loss, seams and no seams.<\/p><\/div>\n<div> <\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div>Thank you for your questions.<\/div>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4330911338438640912-3405188078743124153?l=wildfoxzen.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here are some recent questions and my responses (your comments welcome too): What is good work for the teacher-student relationship? For example, did you discuss personal issues much with Katagiri? Was he open to that? With students, can you do that\u2013or is that kind of thing a problem? Good work in the teacher-student relationship is [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":182,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-476","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Teacher-Student Relationship, Healing, and Seamlessness<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Here are some recent questions and my responses (your comments welcome too): What is good work for the teacher-student relationship? For example, did you\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Teacher-Student Relationship, Healing, and Seamlessness\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Here are some recent questions and my responses (your comments welcome too): What is good work for the teacher-student relationship? For example, did you\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Wild Fox Zen\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:author\" content=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/dosho.port\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2008-11-12T13:14:00+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"http:\/\/tbn0.google.com\/images?q=tbn:_9g_8UeETkXI6M:http:\/\/z.about.com\/d\/chinesefood\/1\/0\/x\/F\/1\/Lotus_Root.jpg\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Dosho Port\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"Dosho Port\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"2 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html\",\"name\":\"Teacher-Student Relationship, Healing, and Seamlessness\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2008-11-12T13:14:00+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2008-11-12T13:14:00+00:00\",\"author\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/#\/schema\/person\/45224391b7690e99673782337bd0eabd\"},\"description\":\"Here are some recent questions and my responses (your comments welcome too): What is good work for the teacher-student relationship? For example, did you\",\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Home\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"Teacher-Student Relationship, Healing, and Seamlessness\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/\",\"name\":\"Wild Fox Zen\",\"description\":\"Living the Dream\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":\"required name=search_term_string\"}],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\"},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/#\/schema\/person\/45224391b7690e99673782337bd0eabd\",\"name\":\"Dosho Port\",\"image\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/7b9712e98924dea6c08d55890403352f?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/7b9712e98924dea6c08d55890403352f?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"caption\":\"Dosho Port\"},\"description\":\"Dosho Port began practicing Zen in 1977 and now co-teachers with his wife, Tetsugan Zummach, with the Vine of Obstacles Zen. Dosho received dharma transmission from Dainin Katagiri Roshi and inka shomei from James Myoun Ford Roshi in the Harada-Yasutani lineage. He is the author of \\\"Keep Me In Your Heart Awhile: The Haunting Zen of Dainin Katagiri,\\\" \\\"The Record of Empty Hall: One Hundred Classic Koans,\\\" and \\\"Going Through the Mystery's One Hundred Questions.\\\"\",\"sameAs\":[\"https:\/\/www.vineobstacleszen.com\/\",\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/dosho.port\"],\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/author\/doshoport\"}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"Teacher-Student Relationship, Healing, and Seamlessness","description":"Here are some recent questions and my responses (your comments welcome too): What is good work for the teacher-student relationship? For example, did you","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html","og_locale":"en_US","og_type":"article","og_title":"Teacher-Student Relationship, Healing, and Seamlessness","og_description":"Here are some recent questions and my responses (your comments welcome too): What is good work for the teacher-student relationship? For example, did you","og_url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html","og_site_name":"Wild Fox Zen","article_author":"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/dosho.port","article_published_time":"2008-11-12T13:14:00+00:00","og_image":[{"url":"http:\/\/tbn0.google.com\/images?q=tbn:_9g_8UeETkXI6M:http:\/\/z.about.com\/d\/chinesefood\/1\/0\/x\/F\/1\/Lotus_Root.jpg"}],"author":"Dosho Port","twitter_card":"summary_large_image","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"Dosho Port","Est. reading time":"2 minutes"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html","name":"Teacher-Student Relationship, Healing, and Seamlessness","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/#website"},"datePublished":"2008-11-12T13:14:00+00:00","dateModified":"2008-11-12T13:14:00+00:00","author":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/#\/schema\/person\/45224391b7690e99673782337bd0eabd"},"description":"Here are some recent questions and my responses (your comments welcome too): What is good work for the teacher-student relationship? For example, did you","breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en-US","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/teacher-student-relationship-healing-and-seamlessness.html#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Home","item":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"Teacher-Student Relationship, Healing, and Seamlessness"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/#website","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/","name":"Wild Fox Zen","description":"Living the Dream","potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":"required name=search_term_string"}],"inLanguage":"en-US"},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/#\/schema\/person\/45224391b7690e99673782337bd0eabd","name":"Dosho Port","image":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en-US","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/","url":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/7b9712e98924dea6c08d55890403352f?s=96&d=mm&r=g","contentUrl":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/7b9712e98924dea6c08d55890403352f?s=96&d=mm&r=g","caption":"Dosho Port"},"description":"Dosho Port began practicing Zen in 1977 and now co-teachers with his wife, Tetsugan Zummach, with the Vine of Obstacles Zen. Dosho received dharma transmission from Dainin Katagiri Roshi and inka shomei from James Myoun Ford Roshi in the Harada-Yasutani lineage. He is the author of \"Keep Me In Your Heart Awhile: The Haunting Zen of Dainin Katagiri,\" \"The Record of Empty Hall: One Hundred Classic Koans,\" and \"Going Through the Mystery's One Hundred Questions.\"","sameAs":["https:\/\/www.vineobstacleszen.com\/","https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/dosho.port"],"url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/author\/doshoport"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/476","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/182"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=476"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/476\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=476"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=476"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=476"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}