{"id":487,"date":"2008-11-01T15:42:00","date_gmt":"2008-11-01T15:42:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/108-delusions-and-the-teacher-student-relationship\/"},"modified":"2008-11-01T15:42:00","modified_gmt":"2008-11-01T15:42:00","slug":"108-delusions-and-the-teacher-student-relationship","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/11\/108-delusions-and-the-teacher-student-relationship.html","title":{"rendered":"108 Delusions and the Teacher &#8211; Student Relationship"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/SQzAaQd7U3I\/AAAAAAAAAIc\/SS24AQxW7rY\/s1600-h\/101_0148.JPG\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin: 0px auto 10px;text-align: center;cursor: pointer;width: 320px;height: 240px\" src=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/SQzAaQd7U3I\/AAAAAAAAAIc\/SS24AQxW7rY\/s320\/101_0148.JPG\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a>(Above is another shot of the <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">enso<\/span> tree from the woods near Wild Fox Temple [aka, my house])<\/p>\n<div>This is post #108<span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">th<\/span> \u2013 #1 went up on May 10 \u2013 so, dear reader, cheers! Here\u2019s to delusion after delusion. \n<div><\/div>\n<div>Speaking of which, a few years ago I visited Great Vow Monastery in Oregon. I was packing to leave and decided not to carry back on the plane my reading material from the trip out. I went to the office with a magazine rolled up in one hand behind my back. <\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>A nice young man who is now a Great Vow monk sat at the reception desk. With the most Bodhidharma-like intensity I could muster I leaned over the desk and asked, <span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-weight: bold\"><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-weight: bold\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">\u201c<\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">Do you want the <\/span><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-weight: bold\"><span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Buddhadharma<\/span>?!\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>The young man\u2019s face flushed red and he stammered, \u201cHuh, what \u2026 what are you asking?\u201d<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>I stood up straight and pulled the practitioner\u2019s quarterly, \u201cBuddha<span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">dharma<\/span>,<\/span>\u201c<span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"> <\/span>out from behind my back. With a matter-of-fact tone I responded, \u201cDo you want this magazine \u2013 I\u2019ve already read it.\u201d <\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>He quickly grabbed it and fled.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>I wondered about that Great Vow monk today after I retrieved the current issue of \u201cBuddha<span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">dharma<\/span><\/span>\u201d from the mailbox. Inside, I flipped open the cover and saw the Wisdom Publications ad for a certain wild fox scoundrel\u2019s book, <span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\">Keep Me in Your Heart A While: The Haunting Zen of <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Dainin<\/span> <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Katagiri<\/span>. <\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>James Ford, the steadfast Monkey Mind blogger, wonderful human being, and Zen teacher with Boundless Way is quoted in the ad <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">thusly<\/span>:<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\u201cThis is a lovely, lovely book that can be read fruitfully by both beginners and those who are deeply familiar with the Zen way. [Fore mentioned scoundrel] writes with simplicity and clarity; he is a worthy heir to his teacher.\u201d <\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\u201cWorthy heir?\u201d \u2013 wow. I hope so \u2026 but that\u2019s another story. <\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Today though, in the spirit of the sweet delusion after delusion <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">Buddhadharma<\/span>, I want to address Harry\u2019s question from the comments to my last post. <\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Harry writes, \u201c<span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"line-height: 14px\">Where religion is concerned I can\u2019t help feeling I have a certain responsibility in this troubled world not to blindly follow: so I\u2019m really not inclined to sit and contemplate anything other than what it is demonstrated to be a valid thing to contemplate. To be honest I personally find a lot of Zen to be pretty <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">bullshitty<\/span>. Now, contemplating an inclination towards cynicism may well be valid!\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Harry had first wondered about finding a modern way of conceptualizing Zen \u2013 rather than the old stories. We could slip into the false dichotomy of traditionalist vs. modernist (or <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">interpretationist<\/span>). However, those are two <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\">foci<\/span> that we\u2019re all working. What to include from past generations and what to bring in from the modern world? It is an important, ongoing conversation within any living teacher and between any living student and his\/her teacher. <\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>For me, the essential forms of sitting, clothing, inquiry and liturgy are essential. In my view, great intelligence and love springs forth from those simple forms. It is almost as if great intelligence and love were hidden there by our <span class=\"blsp-spelling-corrected\">predecessors, such that it could be discovered by fearless spelunkers. <\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>I agree with Harry that a lot of Zen is bullshit and that it is foolhardy to simply follow blindly (see the movie \u201cReligulous\u201d for more on that!). On the other hand, I have faith (tempered by 30-some years of practice) that the core message of the Buddhas and ancestors isn\u2019t bullshit. <\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>But how can we cull the core from the bullshit? Especially when we begin practice (like the first 20 years), frankly, we just don\u2019t know. We just have our opinions and our intuition \u2013 both of which are unreliable. A lot of that which I strongly resisted, I now find to be essential. A little of that which I resisted was I actually right about. <\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Just a couple more points on this for now. Harry wants only to contemplate that which can first be seen as valid to contemplate before contemplating. He\u2019s not alone \u2013 as Katagiri Roshi often pointed out, Westerns tend to want to know before doing. But it is impossible for anything deep and strong to come that way. It is through and within doing that the Way is confirmed \u2013 or gone beyond. <\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=oDrzUY1x9hsC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=morinaga#PPA25,M1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cThere is no such thing as practice if you can\u2019t believe in your teacher.\u201d<\/a><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>So Zuigan Roshi told Morinaga Roshi at their first meeting as recounted in <span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\">Novice to Master: An Ongoing Lesson in the Extent of My Own Stupidity<\/span>. Click the above for the selection in Google Books. <\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>There is also no such thing as practice that isn\u2019t repeatedly tested, generation after generation \u2013 within the context of the teacher-student relationship. Morinaga also writes (on p. 57 \u2013 not included in Google Books so please buy it!), \u201c\u2026 it is said that disciples fall into three categories, based <span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">upon their relations<\/span> with their teacher: \u2018The best students are attached by hatred, the mediocre by charity, and the worst by authority.'\u201d<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>The best students are attached to their teacher by hatred because they won\u2019t give up discovering the truth for themselves. <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4330911338438640912-5071889408398702372?l=wildfoxzen.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(Above is another shot of the enso tree from the woods near Wild Fox Temple [aka, my house]) This is post #108th \u2013 #1 went up on May 10 \u2013 so, dear reader, cheers! 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