{"id":502,"date":"2008-10-08T13:17:00","date_gmt":"2008-10-08T13:17:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/10\/on-shikantaza\/"},"modified":"2008-10-08T13:17:00","modified_gmt":"2008-10-08T13:17:00","slug":"on-shikantaza","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2008\/10\/on-shikantaza.html","title":{"rendered":"On Shikantaza"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Ending-Pursuit-Happiness-Zen-Guide\/dp\/0861715535\/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1223551410&amp;sr=8-1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"240\" alt=\"Ending the Pursuit of Happiness: A Zen Guide\" src=\"https:\/\/ecx.images-amazon.com\/images\/I\/31gQxgvjOdL._SL500_BO2,204,203,200_AA219_PIsitb-sticker-dp-arrow,TopRight,-24,-23_SH20_OU01_.jpg\" width=\"240\" border=\"0\"><\/a>Here\u2019s an email from a Zen teacher that I deeply respect, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ordinarymind.com\/about_the_teacher_frameset.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Barry Magid<\/a> (a successor of Joko Beck) and my long-winded response. We had exchanged emails about my book and some concerns about \u201cwholeheartedness.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I highly recommend his recent book, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Ending-Pursuit-Happiness-Zen-Guide\/dp\/0861715535\/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1223489866&amp;sr=8-1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ending the Pursuit of Happiness: A Zen Guide<\/a>. Barry\u2019s psychoanalytic training has given him an extremely valuable perspective and fitting language especially suited to clarifying barriers that many modern practitioners face, including our \u201csecret practice.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em>Dosho \u2013 so here\u2019s a question for you about being \u201cwholehearted.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Some folks who say shikantaza is nothing in particular &amp; can\u2019t be identified with any \u201cstate\u201d that can be done right or wrong, and is not to be identified with concentration or samadhi \u2013 turn around and use wholeheartedness to mean a particular state of absorption or non-separation with the activity at hand. So instead of emphasizing a particular state of mind on the cushion, they kick it upstairs to a particular state of mind during activity\u2026..You don\u2019t do that do you? How do you prevent your students from falling into this mistaken assumption?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Me, I just quote Woody Allen about showing up. If anxious, bow anxiously, if tired bow tired. Don\u2019t try to be \u201cmindful\u201d or anything else. Be what you are; stay aware of what\/who you are moment to moment; just do it with the mind\/body you already have\u2026.<\/p>\n<p><em>Do you know Carolyn Atkinson? she\u2019s a teacher in Kobun\u2019s lineage. She wrote a book \u2013 Quiet Mind, Open Heart \u2013 I enjoyed very much but which challenged my usual sense of the meaning of \u201cshikantaza.\u201d In it she talks about shitantaza as a concentration practice \u2013 explicitly cultivating a state of thought-free silence &amp; depth \u2013 and contrasts this with vipassana \u2013 which she also teaches \u2013 which she says is a wide-focussed awareness of the arising &amp; disappearing of thought\u2026.Her description of vipassana actually sounds more like Uchiyama\u2019s version of (Opening the Hand of Thought) Shikantaza \u2013 her shikantaza, more like my experience of MU\u2026\u2026..You been around alot \u2013 is \u201cshikantaza\u201d used both ways out there in Soto-land? And is there any basis for calling one or the other \u201cauthentic?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Barry<br><\/em><br>Barry,<\/p>\n<p>I appreciate you raising the issues but (oh my god) in my limited experience I find an enormous range of actual practices under the single term \u201cshikantaza\u201d from following the breath (much of SF Zen from Suzuki\u2019s lifetime practice) to mindfulness of body (the rest of SF Zen w\/ Reb) to a samadhi practice (Tangen Harada\u2019s version) to just spacing out (often those without a teacher) to mindfulness of mind (apparently part of the White Plum \u2013 at least Daido\u2019s version \u2013 and even Uchiyama and Shohaku\u2019s in the sense that opening the hand of thought is about mind).<\/p>\n<p>Katagiri used to say shikantaza isn\u2019t anything in particular and that also fits for the Soto school\u2019s lack of single view on the issue \u2013 and it is pretty \u201cJapanese\u201d too in that they might talk politely about shikantaza publicly and mean very different things privately which wouldn\u2019t be discussed much \u2019cause it is rude to raise differences and soil the harmony.<\/p>\n<p>Katagiri also called following the breath shikantaza but once I could follow the breath, told me to not attach to anything. At least several of his successors, though, just teach following the breath as shikantaza.<\/p>\n<p>So a few more rambling thoughts on something that is a subject dear to me\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>My understanding of history is that prior to Dogen the Caodong school did silent illumination meditation which was severely criticized for sinking into quietism \u2013 a fitting criticism because it leads to a zombie kind of practitioner, imv, that still pops up today. Dogen\u2019s brilliant reframe on this practice and reconstruction of the tradition was based on adding \u201cwholeheartedness\u201d which changed silent illumination into \u201cearnest vivid sitting\u201d (literal trans. of shikantaza).<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m not familiar with Carolyn Atkinson\u2019s book and am kinda surprised because my limited acquaintance with Kobun and what he taught is not at all so clean and tidy shamata\/vipassana that you describe. So even within lineage, in just a generation, the core practice moves a lot. I think this is one of the poisons\/medicines in Soto.<\/p>\n<p>By the way, I\u2019m of the persuasion that American Soto would be served by consciously identifying Dogen\u2019s work as source texts of the tradition (although I grant that there are a lot of problems with that) because at least it would give us a clearer starting point for discussion and we might also better understand when we\u2019re adapting the tradition and when we\u2019re not.<\/p>\n<p>RE: \u201cwholeheartedness,\u201d what I encourage is full devotion to no particular thing. That\u2019s a little different from seeing wholeheartedness as a state. For one thing, I emphasize the \u201cwhole\u201d and \u201cheart\u201d parts of wholehearted \u2013 nothing left out, including the flowing emotions. Nothing left out includes samadhi states, dhyanic states, and insight\/realization as well. But like a falling maple leaf, showing front, showing back.<\/p>\n<p>Recently when a student talked about seeing his practice washing the dishes as a particular mind state (traditional mindfulness with Puritanical overtones) I told him that his approach didn\u2019t seem very loving \u2013 excluded spacing out, resistance, etc. Since then I\u2019ve been talking with others in this way. I see wholeheartedness as very much like love \u2013 not any particular state but including the swoons of early romantic attraction and then all the rest of the emotional array including dislike \u2013 but still we love.<\/p>\n<p>It seems to me that the universe has this wholehearted quality and that when we step back, that\u2019s what we become too, rather than holding back and posturing in some way, trying to freeze the flow of being\/nonbeing. Posturing, of course, is also not the enemy.<\/p>\n<p>I see sitting on the cushion as one form of \u201cdoing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I just looked up the characters for \u201cwholehearted\u201d in the Fukanzazengi, like the part when Dogen says \u201cAlthough they say that there are ten thousand distinctions and a thousand variations, they just wholeheartedly engage the way of zazen.\u201d That last phrase literally is something like \u201conly hit seat diligently.\u201d In other places too, \u201cwholeheartedly\u201d seems to be used for \u201conly\u201d and \u201cdiligently.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dogen doesn\u2019t give a specific set of appropriate objects \u2013 like the breath \u2013 (or lack thereof) for his wholeheartedness. The only time I know that he mentions the breath is in the Extensive Record where it isn\u2019t at all like we talk about following the breath.<\/p>\n<p>Anywho, this nonspecific object leaves the door wide open in this practice, imv, to include cultural developments in awareness \u2013 which is what I think you are doing by including your \u201canalytic training to uncover the latent gaining ideas.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Maybe more than enough. Such a simple thing and yet so much to say.<\/p>\n<p>Dosho<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4330911338438640912-6442854720629697965?l=wildfoxzen.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here\u2019s an email from a Zen teacher that I deeply respect, Barry Magid (a successor of Joko Beck) and my long-winded response. 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