{"id":814,"date":"2012-01-14T09:05:39","date_gmt":"2012-01-14T15:05:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/?p=814"},"modified":"2012-01-14T12:15:16","modified_gmt":"2012-01-14T18:15:16","slug":"more-on-koans-and-who-gets-to-comment","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2012\/01\/more-on-koans-and-who-gets-to-comment.html","title":{"rendered":"More on Koans and Who Gets to Comment"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

\"\"<\/a>My last post seemed to rile some folks up, as did the Old Monkey Mind<\/a> in a related effort to be clear and gentle, it seems to me. James Ford is a much nicer person than I, btw, much more developed too, and it shows in many ways including the genteel generosity of his words.<\/p>\n

Despite our careful consideration \u2013 oh, how we suffer (wink, wink) \u2013 \u201csome\u201d Soto Zen teachers got rather huffy and puffy about owning a share of the koan literature and the right to definitive commentary. Koans in Zen circles seem like money, sex, and children in relationships \u2013 the hot buttons around which conflict springs. They are provocative little buggers, (the koans, that is, not the teachers, just to be clear) so it makes sense to me.<\/p>\n

\u201cThey\u2019re our teaching stories too,\u201d said one dear friend and Soto teacher off blog while messaging on Facebook, no less, or our make-up phone call afterwards, I don\u2019t remember which. And we\u2019re probably going to need another make-up call after this post.<\/p>\n

Well, fair enough, koans are stories for everybody and nobody that I know is saying differently. And that\u2019s the point.<\/p>\n

For koan Zen, they\u2019re not only teaching stories. As James cuts the cat, there is koan study and koan introspection. In \u201cstudy,\u201d koans are stories to be interpreted, sometimes with deep feeling and subtle application of the practice suggestions embedded in the context of the koan. Good stuff. Great dharma<\/a> talk material. No problem.<\/p>\n

This mode of interpretation, btw, may be largely a Western invention as a Japanese-trained priest once told me. Kind of literary interpretation, I think he said, which he\u2019d never heard in a dharma talk in Japan.<\/p>\n

In koan introspection, face-to-face presentation of the koan point, the truth happening point, is the point. The face-to-face part is important, it seems to me, and the method of student-meeting-teacher, self-meeting-self, has developed because it so wonderfully suits and even draws out the insights or sets up the accidents and manifestations called for in the koan.<\/p>\n

Now from the depths of your Pure Shikantaza you might well have seen through the koan but without the presentation of the koan in face-to-face meeting, who\u2019s to know? Who\u2019s to verify? Who\u2019s kidding who?<\/p>\n

After all, koans are essentially relational, as a student said to me recently. Very few are about somebody sitting alone and having the once-and-for-all \u201cEureka!\u201d moment. The koans themselves are mostly set in the face-to-face context and so of course the koan point is best actualized in that same context \u2013 and then generalized to sitting, standing, walking, lying down.<\/p>\n

So especially those of us who haven\u2019t undergone that process, yes, please do exercise caution when commenting on koans by noting softly and humbly from time-to-time, showing tenderness and inadequacy, the true \u201cdon\u2019t-know-mind,\u201d that there might be a meaning and dimension to koan that we have not yet fathomed. Certainly true for me.<\/p>\n

This caution (as I said, dear, in my last post if you read the dang thing before getting all defensive), is always a good idea for all of us, yes, including me. I am, after all, sitting here and talking to myself and I hardly know what I\u2019m saying so don\u2019t listen to me and think this is definitive in any way. I\u2019m just a \u201cthis and that,\u201d zig-zag, poorly trained, working-class white kid from the swamps of northern Minnesota, mostly self-educated, bumbling along making quite a mess of this life, trying to make sense of it all, hammering nails in empty space, despite the obvious futility of that endeavor.<\/p>\n

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