{"id":90,"date":"2011-01-28T21:10:00","date_gmt":"2011-01-28T21:10:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2011\/01\/on-watering-it-down-for-the-west\/"},"modified":"2011-01-28T21:10:00","modified_gmt":"2011-01-28T21:10:00","slug":"on-watering-it-down-for-the-west","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wildfoxzen\/2011\/01\/on-watering-it-down-for-the-west.html","title":{"rendered":"On Watering It Down for the West"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/TUDBpDCH2HI\/AAAAAAAABDA\/moGUrU68Ia8\/s1600\/101_1912.JPG\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_0uPSljNE9f4\/TUDBpDCH2HI\/AAAAAAAABDA\/moGUrU68Ia8\/s400\/101_1912.JPG\" width=\"300\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><span style=\"font-size: large\">I enjoy the \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/shoresofzen.com\/nozeninthewest\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">No Zen in the West<\/a>\u201d blog of <\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Jiryu Mark Rutschman-Byler (it seems to be messed up somehow tonight though so you might check back again soon).\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Recently Jiryu has been chewing on the question of whether to stick to the real McCoy of the true Buddhadharma or offer people what they want, re-creating the Buddhadharma to fit with people\u2019s interests.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Jiryu begins \u201cNo One Cares in the West\u201d with a quote he attributes to the Soto Zen <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>Buddhist<\/a> Association (SZBA):<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><span style=\"font-size: large\">\u201cEven if there is no one who is interested in such a  practice [shikantaza], still the task of a mature priest is to emphasize  and teach this.\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><span style=\"font-size: large\">I had something to do with the inclusion of this passage in the SZBA priest training document. When I was on the training committee, I wrote a draft of the section on the spirit of the Zen priest that quoted Katagiri Roshi \u2013 the source of the above statement. Somehow the attribution got dropped in the final draft. There are other Katagiri-isms in the document too and I smile every time I see them.<\/span><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><span style=\"font-size: large\">Originally, Roshi said something like this (I edited this from transcription):<span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><i><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Buddha\u2019s teaching is what you have to do constantly right in the middle of Buddha. This is the most important request to everyone. If you become a priest, whatever happens, constantly be there. Even though people don\u2019t like, still we have to emphasize. Even if there is no one who is interested in such a zazen, still you can emphasize and teach without poking your head into different beautiful colors people are interested in.<\/span><\/span><\/i><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><\/div>\n<div style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Roshi was quite a stickler for the fundamental, standing up right in the middle of Buddha, as he says. He goes on to talk about the Dr. Seuss book with the world gone completely human and a child appreciating the last flower and the hope for the future in that act. <\/span><\/span>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Most everybody studying with Katagiri at the time got into that book which was quite cute. We were a bunch of overly serious, short haired Zennists in black, after all, sitting around reading Dr. Seuss like Dogen. I can\u2019t remember the title, though, and dug around on the internet and couldn\u2019t find it either. Maybe you, dear reader, know of which Seuss I speak.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Anyway, Buddha, the fundamental, is not an attachment to shikantaza or non-gaining as doctrinal points that we hoist on a flag and fight for, grimly sinking with the Zen ship. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Historically, other people have had this issue \u2013 hold fast or let go? The teaching of the four reliances are intended as reflections to help work this issue through, imv.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>They are as follows:<\/span><\/span><br><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>rely on the teaching, not the teacher;\u00a0<\/span><\/span><br><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>rely on the meaning, not the letter;\u00a0<\/span><\/span><br><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>rely on the definitive meaning, not the interpretive meaning; rely on nondual wisdom, not discriminating consciousness.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>The most relevant of the four for this conversation is the third \u2013 rely on the definitive meaning. Now there has been a lot of quiet reflection on what that is exactly and various opinions. I hold with those who favor the view that the only definitive teaching is boundless openness, a.k.a, emptiness, a.k.a., sunyatta.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>Everything else, from how we bow to how we use the toilet, is interpretive and therefore not essential to the buddhadharma. All of our Zen culture, then, must be about actualizing awakened truth here and now.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large\"><span style='font-family: Georgia,\"Times New Roman\",serif'>And that\u2019s one hot potato.<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/4330911338438640912-1599823891070074275?l=wildfoxzen.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I enjoy the \u201cNo Zen in the West\u201d blog of Jiryu Mark Rutschman-Byler (it seems to be messed up somehow tonight though so you might check back again soon).\u00a0 Recently Jiryu has been chewing on the question of whether to stick to the real McCoy of the true Buddhadharma or offer people what they want, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":182,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-90","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>On Watering It Down for the West<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"I enjoy the &quot;No Zen in the West&quot; 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