Mother Attempts Free Birth at 45 Weeks Gestation & Baby Dies

Mother Attempts Free Birth at 45 Weeks Gestation & Baby Dies January 29, 2019

Today a woman is grieving the loss of her full-term infant that died as a result of a nearly 45-weeks gestation. The woman shared the loss in a group dedicated to homebirth and having babies stay inside the womb for ten months. Ten-month mommas believe that babies should cook as long as necessary, ignore danger signs, and take considerable risks to reach gestations over 42 weeks.

Sara started sharing her story in the group as the weeks lagged on in her pregnancy. At 43 weeks, she told the group that her midwife wanted to induce her. She did not want a hospital birth and was committed to having her child at home without assistance.

According to Sara, the midwife told her that placentas lose efficiency after 42 weeks. Concerned the baby would lose the necessary nutrients from the aging placenta, the midwife wanted to admit her to the hospital for induction at 43 weeks.

Defiantly, Sara went to the group for support and vented her frustrations. She admitted that she did not believe the midwife’s concerns. In the post, she said that the midwife was concerned the baby was getting too big, amniotic fluid levels were getting low, and the placenta was losing efficiency.

The midwife’s concerns are valid and based on scientific evidence. Babies that remain in utero longer than 42 weeks gestation have an increased risk of stillbirth. Additionally, babies 42 weeks or older become too big and make vaginal delivery challenging and increases the need of a cesarian section.

When a baby is too large, labor can become prolonged and cause fetal distress. Fetal distress during labor can cause babies to release meconium. Meconium aspiration can lead to pneumonia and death.

Prolonged labor can also cause the baby to stay inside hours after the amniotic sac breaks. Babies that remain inside the uterus for more than 24 hours after the water breaking are at risk for developing numerous infections.

Women that go overdue are not generally at risk for anything bad happening to them. They can develop life-threatening conditions. However, most of the risk lands on the baby. Therefore the 10-month-mommas do not believe there is anything wrong with keeping their babies cooking as long as possible.

Sara admitted to the group that she did not believe the midwife. She said her baby would not “outgrow her vagina.” Additionally, she said that she had never heard of a single infant dying from placental insufficiency. Finally, she said the baby had plenty of amniotic fluid.

As the weeks dragged on, she returned to the group at the start of the 44th week. At this point, Sara started to doubt herself. She felt that the baby might be in danger. However, she said that she and her husband were against using any drugs during childbirth. She wanted to continue forward with her planned free birth.

The group cheered her on and told her to stick to her plan. Many told her that they delivered healthy babies post 44 weeks. Feeling reassured, Sara continued forward with her plan. Members recommended natural ways for her to induce labor. Several instructed her to use castor oil to get things started, but she admitted to already using castor oil three times.

Castor oil has been used for years as a way to jumpstart labor. The oil is a laxative that causes the intestines and bowels to contract. A side effect of those contractions is the castor oil can make the uterus contract. Unfortunately, there is no way to only engage the uterus and not involve the intestines.

As a result, women can develop stomach pain, diarrhea, and nausea. If diarrhea becomes substantial, women risk becoming dehydrated. The cramping in the uterus can cause the baby’s fetal heart rate to spike and put the fetus in distress.

The same cramping that causes diarrhea can also cause painful contractions. The intense contractions in the mother can also cause distress to the baby.

Additionally, castor oil passes through the placenta into the baby. The laxative can cause the fetus to release meconium. As the uterus fills with fecal waste, the fetus is at risk for swallowing the waste.

Because of her resolve to have an unmedicated unassisted birth, she was allowing herself to go until 44 weeks six days before she would go to the hospital. On the evening before she planned to go to the hospital, her water broke at home.

Again, she returned to her group for help. She wasn’t confident if she should stay at home. Members continued to cheer her on. Many suggested she trust her intuition. Sara said her contractions started but weren’t overpowering. She waited patiently for active labor to begin.

Within 10 hours of her water breaking, she said that her contractions became violent and unbearable. She screamed for relief.  Suddenly she said a burst of fluid came out of her legs that were black and slimy and she feared the substance was meconium.

Not only did she have meconium oozing out of her body, but her contractions also became so violent she feared for herself and the baby. She chose to transfer for help to the hospital. By the time she and her husband arrived at the hospital, doctors confirmed the baby had no heartbeat.

Doctors confirmed the death of the infant to Sara. Despite the infant’s death, her body still could not initiate labor. Doctors gave her Pitocin and an epidural to deliver the baby.

In an update to the group, she remained confused about how the baby could have died. She couldn’t understand how everything went so terribly wrong. However, her own words from previous posts highlight all the reasons the pregnancy resulted in the babies death:

  • The baby was almost five weeks overdue
  • She used castor oil to initiate her labor
  • The placenta lost efficiency
  • Her baby’s size became problematic
  • The baby likely swallowed meconium likely resulting in their death

Sara admitted to the group that her choices might have led to baby’s death. However, the group told her that she did everything right. They reminded her that some babies “just die.” Several suggested the same outcome likely would have happened at the hospital.

Unfortunately, she refused to listen to her midwife at 43 weeks. Her midwife knew that Sara was entering dangerous territory. However, her resolve to have a ‘free birth’ trumped the needs of the baby. As a result, another infant dies needlessly.

Free birth is never about the infant.

No, the birth is always about the mother.

Mothers like Sara only seek help when they fear for their lives. If only these mothers used the same energy to save the lives of their wanted babies, there would be far fewer deaths.

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  • The Bofa on the Sofa

    Castor oil has been used for years as a way to jumpstart labor.

    In these groups where they encourage the use of castor oil, they have to make it clear that they are talking about castor oil and not Castrol oil, which is car oil.

    Because, apparently, some of the geniuses who are pulling these stunts don’t know to not drink car oil to induce labor.

  • Tawreos

    Why the hell would you have a midwife if you are not going to take professional advice? The stupidity of people is just amazing.

  • Trelin

    All breeder bullshit is about the mother to be. Sucks.

  • not true

  • these are valid questions.

  • they know the difference

  • The Bofa on the Sofa

    However, the group told Sara that she did everything right. They reminded her that some babies “just die.”

    How cavalier they are with the lives of other people’s babies….

    Several suggested the same outcome likely would have happened at the hospital.

    Um, no.

    Unless they think the baby was dead for more than 3 weeks, this would have never happened in a hospital, because no hospital would let her go that long.

    When a homebirth midwife is telling you to go to the hospital, you know that you are way past time to go.

  • absolutely!

  • Kris

    I have a query: from my understanding, babies start to *lose* weight after about 40 + 3, because they start missing nutrients they need to grow. Do you have a link somewhere about huge 42+ -week babies? Because I could be wrong.

    Insufficiency is a nice way of putting it (by the midwife). Placentas evolved to work for about 40 weeks and then quit. They calcify and you also risk infarctions that could be an immediate risk of death, depending on what supply they are cutting off.

    I have been in labor support for 15 years and will never, ever understand some people’s decision that their “birth experience” is more important than their baby’s life.

  • ReligionIsPoison

    Sad for the unborn child but these kinds of people should NOT reproduce.

  • frostysnowman

    This is what happens when you fetishize the birth process the way we often do in the US. Only people in a wealthy country with access to the best medical care are conceited enough to decide they know better than the professionals.

  • I cannot understand what they gain leaving so much time the baby inside. The body’s atuned for some reason to work in a very different way.

  • andrea

    Especially considering midwives tend to charge!

  • Missy250

    She should be forcibly sterilized.

  • swbarnes2

    It’s vanity. The perfect functioning of their bodies at this uniquely feminine thing will prove to all that they are morally good women.

    Of course, normal people know that babies come tragically early as well as tragically late. Neither fetuses nor wombs “know better”, no mattter how much organic food or prenatal yoga is consumed.

  • swbarnes2

    Additionally, she said that she had never heard of a single infant dying from placental insufficiency.

    Probably true, as her Facebook group likely scrubs all the unhappy stories.

    And I really doubt many infants die of that, but fetuses sure can.

  • a weir

    where are the screenshots?

  • Due to changes at Patheos, I cannot publish them. Check out my Facebook page for the shots

  • hollyjans

    Whats your facebook name ? Same as here ?

  • It’s linked in my bio! But it’s without a crystal ball

  • Kelleen Bingham Louchart

    So, abortion is wrong, but purposely doing something this stupid and causing your baby to die is okay?

  • Brianna LaPoint

    Look at it this way, one less irresponsible parent raising their kid however they see fit. Because, you know how that goes.

  • silver lining?

  • Lisa Mair

    I dont agree that mothers like that only do home births or seek help only for themselves. I wasnt that extreme, but I was on that spectrum and everything I did was to protect the baby’s health from harmful medications and interventions. Some seriously heart breaking stories about that stuff too.

  • Ally

    >Mothers like Sara only seek help when they fear for their lives. If only these mothers used the same energy to save the lives of their wanted babies, there would be far fewer deaths.

    I was telling my mom about the Free Birth Movement last week, and I mentioned that I was amazed but relieved that none of the mothers had died yet. However, you’ve reminded me that it’s really not that amazing. They’re okay with accepting medical help when they need it, but they want to prevent everyone else, even their own children, from reaping the same rewards. I’m happy that they’ll at least do what they need to do to save their own lives, but the fact that they will just demonstrates how much of this is about egoism and selfishness and how little of it really relates to a rejection of all medical assistance during pregnancy and childbirth based on principle alone. I really think that you’ve read this right. As you’ve said before, they see birth as a performance, and the baby is just the prop.

  • BlueSpruceGecko

    If a midwife says your amniotic fluid is low, go to the hospital.

  • BlueSpruceGecko

    She’d know better if she read this blog.

  • BlueSpruceGecko

    42 weeks is perfectly fine. After that though you need close monitoring and not long after that you just need to induce.

  • Teeny update- the placenta usually starts losing effectiveness after 39 weeks. Stillbirth rates start rising after that, and skyrocket after 42 weeks. If you’re waiting until 42 weeks, you’re taking some risks (though not huge ones), and you had better be going for NSTs and other tests on a daily or every-other-day basis to make sure the placenta hasn’t entirely crapped out.

  • bananaslugsrule

    Where? I don’t see it.

  • Except that interventions exist to be helpful, and the medications they give at birth are there to, you know, prevent a mother and baby from dying. Inductions actually reduce the c-section rate, did you know that? C-sections are also significantly less bad for both mother and baby than vacuum or forceps deliveries. Things like a Vitamin K shot and eye antibiotics and PKU test are to help your baby live.

    Do things go wrong in hospital? Sure. It happens. But the death of a full-term healthy singleton baby is so rare that there is a huge inquest if it happens, and the hospital changes things to prevent it from ever happening again. Homebirth midwives don’t interrogate what went wrong when a baby dies; they just shrug, say some babies weren’t meant to live, and go on to the next birth. Homebirths are only ever supposed to be low-risk, singleton vertex births to women who have had at least one baby but less than 5 (risk starts to rise a lot if you’re a grand multipara). Yet the neonatal death rate for homebirths is higher than hospital death rate, which includes all those really complicated births, sick moms, sick babies, preemies, and homebirths gone wrong who get dumped into hospitals so their babies’ deaths are recorded as “hospital” instead of “homebirth”, just like this woman’s stillbirth.

    Do doctors in hospitals do a shit job of bedside manner, and do things that they don’t explain properly? Yeah, that happens. Sometimes it’s an emergency, but usually it’s that they aren’t involving the mother appropriately. It sucks. It still sucks a hell of a lot less than losing a baby. The safest place to give birth is a hospital. There is no question about that. You did something risky and stupid and it didn’t hurt you or your baby. I am genuinely glad that you got lucky and nothing bad happened to you, but that is quite literally what happened- you got lucky. You were misled about both the risks of hospital birth (the risks are very low) and homebirth (the risks are very high), and I hope you have since learned better.

  • Sionnan_Eilis

    She should be prosecuted. Her wilful neglect caused the death of that child.

  • it’s at the bottom of the article – it says you can engage with me on facebook

  • she won’t be – there is body autonomy laws in the US. She will not be charged for anything.

  • The Bofa on the Sofa

    The perfect functioning of their bodies

    I’m sure none of them wear glasses, right?

    Any delusions I had about the “perfect functioning” of my body went out the window in 3rd grade.

  • The Bofa on the Sofa

    It could be worse. There is a case of a midwife who was _in real time_ asking members of the Midwifery Today (magazine) forum what to do in the case of no amniotic fluid. The answers were as bad as you would expect:

    1) No amniotic fluid is no problem! I’ve seen babies born after all the amniotic fluid was gone!
    2) You can’t trust the test that indicated there was no amniotic fluid. There could very well be amniotic fluid still there

    It’s bad enough that the answers were as awful as could be, but she was asking this question while this was all going on! She is crowd-sourcing medical advice.

    And, iirc, she was an editor at Midwifery Today – IOW, not just some random whacko, but an actual, high-profile-in-the-profession whacko.

    That’s why I agree, when the midwife concedes it’s time to go, you don’t wait around.

  • a weir


  • swbarnes2

    Also, when mothers die, it’s because of things like pulmonary embolism, cardiac problems, hypertension…conditions that require high tech treatment. If they die in the hospital, it’s often because the medical professionals didn’t give them the high tech intervention they needed, but a midwife at home would have done no better.

  • KB

    Living in hippy dippy land as I do (we are the next great hotspot for a measles outbreak for sure), free-birth/ anti-vax is far more correlated with a pro-choice stance than pro-life. (We are the state that soundly defeated by 2-1 a measure that would have put an end to the state funding of abortions up to birth for any reason or no reason at all – and what is the material difference between a negligent stillbirth at 44 weeks versus injecting a 44 week old fetus with digoxen) Which, I guess, is consistent I suppose? Pro-vaccine-choice, pro-free birth – choice, pro-abortion choice. It’s all pro-choices really.

  • KB

    I don’t understand why any woman would want to. I wrote in my birth plan that I’d hold off getting induced for 2 weeks after the due date, but 7 days later I had had enough waiting. I started looking forward to the pain of childbirth as a happy, short term discomfort that would end the long term agony of late term pregnancy. Thank science for pitocin.

  • Pfruit

    Honestly, this baby was spared a lifetime of terrible decisions by this woman.

  • The Bofa on the Sofa

    I agree. But, as I’ve pointed out many times, “pro-choice” is manifested in the ABILITY to make choices, not in the choices that are made. FOr example, even if you are pro-choice, you don’t have to get an abortion when you get pregnant. Similarly, acknowledging that someone has the legal right to have a homebirth doesn’t make it a smart decision. Having a hospital birth is just as consistent with “you have bodily autonomy to give birth wherever you want” as is having a homebirth. And it is a hell of a lot safer.

    The mistake these people make is to assert that choosing a homebirth (or freebirth or dolphin birth) somehow proves that you have body autonomy whereas having birth in a hospital does not.

  • The Bofa on the Sofa

    While true, it would be better if there were a way to accomplish that result without having to have the baby die. However, that’s not easy in our society.

  • Pfruit

    Can’t have freedom without breaking a few fetuses.

  • KB

    Totally agree with your assessment of what at least, the moral underpinnings of what pro-choice technically is. It regularly gets applied poorly, for sure, your example, for instance. For me, I’m happy to call myself anti-choice when other human beings are impacted. As one example, totally anti-vaccine choice. Which isn’t to say that sometimes a vaccine shouldn’t be administered (i.e. the immuno-compromised). I just don’t think it should be a choice Jane or John Q Public should be able to make barring informed medical opinion indicating the necessity to opt out, because the impacts aren’t going to be mostly felt by John or Jane. It’s going to be felt by their kids and the larger community.

  • Lizard

    Well…I don’t know where Sara lives, but it’s possible that’s not entirely true. The US has a systemic problem of ignoring the health of pregnant women to the point where it has the worst maternal mortality rate in the first world.

    Her odds in a hospital were still better than alone at home, though, with medical professionals who at least know the difference between a vagina and a uterus.

  • Lizard

    Sara admitted to the group that she did not believe the midwife. She said her baby would not “outgrow her vagina.”

    Oh my FSM, I hate this kind of crap. I’m sorry she lost her child, but her ignorance is astounding. 1) Yes, babies absolutely can outgrow the mother’s body, that’s literally the entire point of birth, and 2) the baby isn’t in your “vagina,” lady. It’s in your uterus. Those are not the same thing.

    I’m no fan of homebirth midwives or anything, but if you don’t know the difference between a vagina and a uterus, you should not be ignoring the advice of a midwife who, at least, should. Sheesh.

  • celeste1234

    I just don’t understand this trend of NOT listening to professionals. Why do people think that doctors and scientists are all liars? I appreciate people wanting to do their own research on things, but going to a group of strangers on social media is not the same as doing your own research. It’s terrifying to think how easy it is for a group of complete strangers to convince someone to listen to them, instead of professionals.

  • Is she going to be charged with the same level of criminal conduct as the young lady in Louisiana who smoked pot while breastfeeding?

  • Mel

    The size of the babies depend on a whole host of variables. If the placenta fails in any way, the baby will stop growing or even lose weight – but like a small child, a fetus losing weight is a medical emergency. The other problem is when the baby is past 40 weeks and the placenta is still working reasonably well. That kid can pack on 0.5-1 pound a week. Add in something like untreated GD and you can get those monster babies who are 12+ pounds.

    And a baby doesn’t need to be huge to have problems fitting through a mom’s pelvic girdle. When my son was in the big-baby wing of the NICU, a baby was in the same bay for 5 days after 3 days of cooling therapy with a broken collarbone on one side and a broken humerus on the other. The baby had had a life-threatening and bone-breaking shoulder dystocia. She weighed just over 8 pounds and had no signs of lasting neurological damage at discharge. The doctors just barely got her out – and a few ounces more and they might have had to do an abdominal rescue which the baby may or may not have survived long enough to benefit from.

  • Kris

    I understand size varies, and also that the pelvis is an issue (but not more or less so in a post-due pregnancy). I have also seen shoulder dystocia so I understand how awful it is.

    Here’s what I was asking: I understood that you were saying that postdue babies are likely to get bigger, including after 42 weeks. I remember reading that babies *generally* start losing weigh after 40 1/2 or so. I was asking if you have information that contradicts that, since you were discussing it like it was so (I understand that some babies are larger, some placentas keep working, etc.).

  • Mel

    I did a cursory online search.

    The only reference to fetal weight decreasing is on a search window from U of Rochester Medical Center that isn’t present on the actual page.

    In terms of high birth weight (macrosomia) being a problem:

    Peer-reviewed article on best practices for obstetrics: (the section of interest is under Fetal and Neonate Complications; 1/3 of the way down on my browser.

    Postdatism article written by a current MD and a retired obstetrics professor:
    (the first section under complications is the topic of interest around 1/3 of the way down.)

    Could the article/textbook/paper you read have been discussing postdates syndrome? For some postdate babies, they continue growing, but grow in an abnormal manner due to a stressful uterine environment. The babies often look skinnier than expected because they are using the calories to grow, but don’t have enough calories to put on body fat at the same rate as a term baby.

  • DParis

    My baby gained 2 pounds
    between 40 and 42 weeks. My doctor induced at 42 weeks because as he put it, we ran out of time.

  • Mel

    It’s a sneaky form of anti-intellectualism.

    It’s pretty gauche nowadays to say that you personally are against education or that you don’t think that getting a post-college degree leads to a deeper understanding of a given area.

    Saying that you have educated yourself on the topic or that you’ve done your own research on the topic sound a whole lot more acceptable.

    I hate the phrase “do your own research” with a passion. There are people who do research for a living – but it’s a whole lot more complicated than reading the first few pages that appear on Google during a keyword search followed by joining social media groups who reinforce the same idea.

  • Rose Magdalene

    Unfortunately there is a stupid belief in the Natural Birth Community that a woman can not grow a baby too big for her to birth. This belief feeds into their anti-C-section hysteria as well.

  • Daleth

    The US has a systemic problem of ignoring the health of pregnant women

    The US has a systemic problem of tens of millions of people without health insurance and tens of millions more with inadequate health insurance.

  • Daleth

    And let’s not forget that these are the timelines for singletons. If you’re having mono-di twins, as I was, the risk of stillbirth skyrockets once you hit 38 weeks. That’s the “magic” number, not 42 weeks. It goes from about 1/2000 to about 1/50, yes one in every FIFTY, if you stay pregnant past 38 weeks.

  • Daleth

    If that’s the same case I’m remembering of the midwife crowd-sourcing medical advice on the internet, that baby died, right?

  • Daleth

    42 weeks isn’t always perfectly fine. The baby gains absolutely no benefit from staying inside past 42 weeks. All you get is risk.

  • Daleth

    when mothers die, it’s because of things like pulmonary embolism, cardiac problems, hypertension…conditions that require high tech treatment.

    Or, of course, that age-old favorite, hemorrhage, which also requires high-tech treatment. Australian home birth activist Caroline Lovell bled to death after her home birth because when she begged the midwife to call an ambulance, the midwife said she was just anxious and gave her homeopathic Rescue Remedy. A toddler and newborn were left motherless.

  • 24CaratHooligan

    I wonder what the overlap is between these “free-birthers” and “pro-lifers”? I mean “some babies just die” amirite??

  • BlueSpruceGecko

    Induction also has risks. As you say, best to leave this decision to medical professionals.

  • Daleth

    Induction doesn’t have the risk of killing the baby. Going postdates does.

  • RudyTooty

    That baby died. Yes.

    After this news story was published in November 2018, that midwife continues to blame the parents on social media for that baby’s death under her care.

  • RudyTooty

    I think it’s worse when the complete group of strangers is large. (What are there, hundreds, if not thousands of people, in some of these online groups?)

    The power of the group dynamic is exacerbated by the censoring of any dissent. So the large group also appears to be unified, and therefore authoritative, in its expertise, knowledge and recommendations.

    So if there is one professional is recommending something – in a person-to-person interaction – say in a doctor’s office – but then the patient goes to their massive online echo-chamber where dozens, if not hundreds of different voices are saying something contradictory, (with personal testimonials!!) it’s possible to see how people can be swayed.

  • BlueSpruceGecko

    Well, oxygen deprivation because things aren’t progressing or are just stuck is a risk, ranging from distress to cerebral palsy to stillbirth. This usually eventually means a C section, which is not without risks to the mother, who counts just as much as the baby. Going too far past 40 weeks has its own risks. Best leave this question to the attending physician of any given case.

  • Dr Sarah

    Also, there’s the same mentality as ‘Why bother vaccinating our children against diphtheria when nobody gets diphtheria nowadays?’ She’d probably never heard of a baby dying from placental insufficiency because other people she knows would go to the hospital and be induced if they were advised they were going too far over.

  • Dr Sarah

    I suspect she meant it in the sense of ‘won’t grow too big to get out’.

    In other words, she’s apparently never heard of cephalopelvic disproportion or shoulder dystocia.

  • Daleth

    oxygen deprivation because things aren’t progressing or are just stuck is a risk… This usually eventually means a C section

    Post-dates labor carries those risks no matter how labor starts. Just because your labor started naturally doesn’t mean that it’s going to progress normally or that your baby won’t go into distress, experience oxygen deprivation, or get stuck. It isn’t accurate to call those “risks of induction” when they’re just risks of post-dates vaginal birth, period.

    And of course, the more post-dates you are, the older the placenta gets and the larger the baby is. That makes it more likely that the placenta won’t be able to support the baby through the stress of labor (i.e. the baby will go into distress) or the baby will get stuck (shoulder dystocia).

  • Kris

    You were out of time, for sure. It’s much safer to get your baby out at that point than to wait longer. I have no doubt that plenty of chunko babies are born post-date. I can’t imagine how they made that assessment of two pounds in two weeks…ultrasounds are notoriously unreliable at determining fetal weight, but still it’s good you got your little person out.

  • Kris

    No, not postdate syndrome. I thought there was a metastudy a while ago about this, but I’m going to have to look again. I understand best obstetric practices, but I’m confused as to why you posted it. Statistically, the safest time for babies to be born is 38 1/2 weeks. After 41 1/2, the chances of something going very wrong go up precipitously. I suppose it may have sounded like I was saying “hey, they just drop weight again, so it’s fine”, but that’s not what I was saying at all. I was saying that giant babies past 42 weeks may not be one of the biggest problems (no pun intended), but there are plenty of other ones that make it dangerous to be pregnant that long.

  • bananaslugsrule

    I think these free birthers tend to be on both extremes of the political spectrum. You have the right wing nutjobs survivalist types who distrust big gubmint and don’t want any outside interventions (they tend to be pro-life), and then you have lefty crunchy granola types (who tend to be pro-choice) who think essential oils will cure everything.

  • actually. – they all think essential oils cure everything. They have a lot more in common than you realize.

  • Mel

    Because it’s reckless to not point out that your memory of what you might have read about babies who lose weight after 40.3 gestation is not supported by actual research or actual best practice in obstetrics in the absence of a link for the meta study.

    We live in a society where women are free birthing on information they pick up off the internet. I trust that you understand the dangers of going post dates – but the people who are reading this thread days, weeks or months later may not be so experienced.

    If you find that article, I’d love a link or a citation to read it.

  • Kris

    It’s reckless? Did you read the rest of my comment? I said “because they were missing nutrients” and then outlined how placentas stop working at 40 weeks and what happens because of it. Even if someone is inexperienced, how could you spin that to recklessness to freebirthers? They wouldn’t care what I said if they read the last sentence of my comment either…that would send them all running for the hills. I don’t see how mentioning something to look for clarification and making it clear that I could be wrong is reckless.

  • Kevin K

    Sadly. Under any other circumstance, this is an example of “depraved indifference”. Manslaughter at minimum.

  • turnipcake

    Does the group still have a Facebook page?

  • David 13

    “Members continued to cheer her on.” FOR THE LULZ!

  • “The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” – Isaac Azimoth, (The Cult of Ignorance.)

  • Snowy

    When a baby dies because of freebirth, “Sometimes babies just die.” When a child has even the mildest disorder, “It’s the vaccines! The flouride! CHEMTRAILS!!!”

  • Snowy

    But Mama instinct™ trumps science! Mama Bear knows all!!!!! /s

  • Anat

    See – and scroll down to where they compared to politics – conservatives are more supportive of parental choice regarding vaccination than liberals.

  • Joshua Nip

    Sad to say given the grief the family is going through, but both parents should be charged with child endangerment and criminally negligent manslaughter. Otherwise, it sets poor precedence and a higher propensity of a repeat of this stupid act of negligent act of misjudgment.