It’s Time to Admit That Anti-Vaxxers are Terrorists

It’s Time to Admit That Anti-Vaxxers are Terrorists February 14, 2019
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Fringe conspiracy-theorist terrorists, called ‘anti-vaxxers’ are multiplying so fast that some counties, cities, and states have vaccination rates below community or ‘herd’ immunity levels across the U.S. With more parents buying into the  conspiracy that vaccines contain toxins, cause autism, and are unsafe, children, the elderly, and immunocompromised are suffering. These people need to be called out for what they are; anti-vaxxers are terrorists that kill and harm our children.

Even if you oppose anti-vaxxers, you might think it’s too extreme to use the “terrorist” label in this case. I do not. Though there is no single agreed-upon definition of terrorism, most agree that it consists of using fear as a tool to achieve political or social change while disregarding harm done to others in the process. I think anti-vaxxers meet every part of that definition.

In 1998 the anti-vaccine movement gained traction when a now discredited and disbarred physician, Andrew Wakefield published a study suggesting a link between vaccines and autism. The study published in Lancet in 1998 became the foundation for the modern-day anti-vaccine movement.

The Lancet retracted his study in 2010, and the UK General Medical Council disbarred him following an extensive investigation. The investigation found that Wakefield accepted money to work as an expert in MMR litigation.

To help the attorneys build a case against the vaccine manufacturers, Wakefield studied children without approval and under false/misleading pretenses. His study never received approval by an ethics committee and lacked proper controls.

After a lengthy review of the paper and discrepancies, the Medical Council determined Wakefield’s paper was not truthful. He fabricated the entire study to help an attorney pursue litigation against the MMR.  The Medical Council removed him as a member, stripped his license, and barred him from ever practicing again.

However, between 1998-2010, the study remained active online and in the Lancet archives. Vaccine hesitant parents read the study and believed Wakefield’s conclusion that the MMR caused autism. As a result, parents stopped vaccinating their children.

After he published his article in 1998, whooping cough and measles outbreaks became more common around the United States. In 1998, the CDC reported 7,405 cases of pertussis. By 2004, the CDC documented over 25,000 cases of the bacteria.

Chart of reported cases of whooping cough from 1998-2017 (source CDC).

Since 1998 the fewest reported cases was in 2010 with 10, 454 and the peak in 2012 with 48,277 cases. While some populations increased their vaccination rates during that time, other groups have seen declines.

Before 2010 (when the UK disbarred Wakefield), the vaccination rates in the US were at an all-time low. The CDC reported only 44% of all children had received all recommended vaccinations. After the Lancet retracted his study in 2010, vaccination rates improved steadily to 70.7% in 2016.

While the increase is impressive, not enough of US children are vaccinated to prevent the spread of multiple diseases.

Even though Wakefield is a medical laughing stock, conspiracy theorists continue to push his paper as evidence that vaccines are toxic. The rise of the social media giant, Facebook, has enabled a new generation of pro-disease parents to share misleading information and spread their propaganda.

New quacks and bad doctors have thrived on the easy access to billions of people to influence and manipulate with their unproven beliefs about vaccines. Large Facebook groups like Stop Mandatory Vaccination house over 150,000 people that work together to spread false and misleading information.

These parents refuse to believe that vaccines are safe and effective. Instead, they hold on to the notion that ‘toxins’ in the vaccines cause ‘vaccine injuries’ to children. The same people attempt to link the deaths of infants to vaccines.

Even though vaccine reactions are generally mild, they wrongly believe that vaccines cause autism, increase Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, heavy metal poisoning, and brain damage.

The anti-vaccine movement has become a terrorist organization on social media. They flood pages that promote vaccination and vaccine safety to share fake news links and their ‘beliefs’ about vaccines.

Anti-vaxxers show up in groups unrelated to vaccines to spread their propaganda that children are dying and ‘damaged’ from vaccines.

With over 2 billion users on Facebook, a fringe movement that started in 1998 and should have died in 2010, is alive and thriving. Anti-vaccine terrorists use fear-mongering and false information to influence vulnerable and gullible parents.

Individuals that would otherwise vaccinate fall prey to their nonsense by reading their articles, books, and watching biased documentaries about the dangers of vaccines.

This terrorist organization and the cult has grown so large the World Health Organization declared anti-vaxxers at Top 10 public health threat to the world.

The evidence for their destruction is all over the news. Currently, five areas of the country are in the middle of measles outbreaks. Through February 7, the CDC reported 101 cases of the measles. Due to the outbreaks, 2019 will likely outpace outbreak numbers in the past five years.

While anti-vaxxers in the United States and Europe willingly deny vaccines, other parts of the world are dealing with epidemics of the measles due to lack of vaccines.

On the island of Madagascar, one of the poorest African countries, almost 1,000 children have died from the measles since October 2018.

Thus far the island has been unable to standardize a vaccination schedule for the measles. The lack of program by the government left more than 43% of the population unvaccinated in 2017. A world emergency effort to help the country has vaccinated nearly 22 million citizens.

Countries like Madagascar haven’t had the luxury to ‘deny’ a vaccine. Their citizens haven’t had access, and now their children are dying. In the developed world like The United States and Europe, parents willingly deny their children vaccines based on fear and false ‘beliefs.’

These people believe a coordinated conspiracy between ‘Big Pharma’ and the government is working to keep our children sick through vaccines and medications. However, they fail to realize that ‘Big Pharma’ would make far more profits by allowing children to contract these diseases.

The overall profits in vaccines are negligible compared to the gains made by selling pharmaceutical drugs. Because vaccines are effective and safe, the government offers free vaccines to millions of people every year.

The Vaccines for Children program provides free vaccines to all children that are uninsured, underinsured or qualify for Medicaid. Because vaccines are necessary for children, the pharmaceutical companies sell the vaccines to the CDC at a discounted price.

Programs like these are evidence that profit is not the goal for the vaccine maker or the government.

No, the truth is that the two entities work together to vaccinate children for free because vaccines save lives.

None of this matters to the anti-vaxxers and the charlatans that promote the anti-vaccine agenda. Leaders against vaccines are motivated by financial greed.

Naturopaths, chiropractors, supplement companies, and homeopathic providers want people to believe vaccines don’t work because they want to sell a product.

They push supplements, vitamins, and expensive treatments that promise immunity to the diseases. These same people downplay the diseases by calling them benign and harmless. The charlatans always profit off people opting out of vaccines. Every new convert to the anti-vaccine cult is a new paying customer.

Big Alternative Health‘ is an over $17 billion industry that sells unproven and unregulated products. If anti-vaxxers were logical and intelligent enough to look at the facts, they would see that the real conspiracy is that these charlatans are lying to them for a massive payday.

As parents and advocates, we must speak out and stop the spread of these charlatans from profiting off fear and propaganda. Our children’s lives are at stake. We need to fight back against the anti-vaccine terrorist.

Last year anti-vaxxers caused 80,000 people in Europe to contract the measles, and 72 died. The wild measles ravaging Europe has traveled to the United States. The CDC reports that all current measles outbreaks are tied to Eastern Europe. As the measles spreads, outbreaks are likely to start all over the country.

Do not let these terrorists brainwash you to believe these illnesses are no big deal. These diseases are a huge issue!

In 2017, 110,000 people died from the measles.

110,000 people that could have survived had they had proper access to the vaccine or given their child the vaccine.

Between 2000-2017, the WHO estimates 21 million deaths have been prevented due to the vaccine.

Do not show your privilege by denying your child access to necessary and life-saving vaccines. People in impoverished countries are dying because they lack access to vaccines that are readily available here.

Please educate yourself properly on vaccine safety. Talk your child’s pediatrician, visit the CDC, and the World Health Organization.

We can stop vaccine-preventable diseases from harming and killing our children.

Our choice as parents must be to vaccinate our children.

*Katie Joy is a columnist and hosts Without A Crystal Ball on Patheos Non-Religious Channel. She writes articles on parenting, disability advocacy, debunking pseudoscience, atheism, and crimes against women and children.

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  • HematitePersuasion

    I understand terrorism is to be the use of terror for political purposes, a form of asymmetric warfare.

    Although I agree that anti-vaxxers pose a grave health threat to themselves and others, I do not see their (admittedly antisocial and unhealthful) campaign to be about terror, or have some political goal.

  • Cozmo the Magician

    You left out any mention of the Stupid Evil Bitch that REALLY got the ball rolling. Jenny McCarthy. Just because she has been on TV and Movies people actually listened to her spread this 100% PURE BULLSHIT. Wakefield actually received some punishment for his role in this. The evil bitch STILL makes money.

  • Chris Hogue

    Anti-vaxxers attempt to terrorize people with ignorance in the same sense as all religious people. However, as some are capable of seeing through the bulls…, it technically isn’t terrorism.

  • KB

    Can we please just have nation wide mandatory childhood vaccinations without at least two doctors explaining that there is a medical reason why the child should not be vaccinated? that’s how Japan does it. So the Woo-woo has no opportunity to take hold now.

  • Beth Clarkson

    Why did you remove my comment?

  • I do not allow outside links.

  • wannabe

    Apparently a new policy.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    That’s news to me. For the benefit of us newbies, would it be possible to make this commenting policy official?

  • B.A.

    Katie,have you heard or read the anti-vaccine BS? The wife of one of Trump’s aides,some idiot named Darla Shine,claims that measles can cure cancer. This horrified and enraged me! You can click on huffingtonpost.com if you want. CNN had a story on their morning news show also.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    I consider the label terrorist to be an overreaction, particularly against the large numbers of parents who adopted their views out of ignorance, as opposed to political motives. I wouldn’t mind seeing pro-disease becoming a trend in the debate, though.

  • Acleron

    When does antisocial not be terrorist?

  • Mike Stevens

    If people were acting either overtly or covertly to increase the risk of spreading dangerous biological agents in the USA irrespective of their motives, surely this would this be considered a form of terrorism?
    Does the PATRIOT act cover this?

  • frostysnowman

    I read that. She brings new meaming to the word nutter. In the article she says she’s sad her kids were vaccinated because they didn’t get natural immunity to measles like she did.

  • B.A.

    Hi frosty. Friendly Atheist did a story on this,too.

  • David Reitzes

    I am strongly pro-vax, pro-science, and anti-conspiracy theories, but I must note: terrorism is defined by NATO as: “The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against individuals or property in an attempt to coerce or intimidate governments or societies to achieve political, religious or ideological objectives.” This seems inconsistent with the description of anti-vaxxers in this article. If nothing else in NATO’s definition is deemed relevant here, the “unlawful” part is especially clear and specific. I agree that anti-vaxxers are dangerous and sometimes (emphasis: sometimes) motivated by less than honorable intentions, but I’d be cautious about mounting attacks unless they are both specific and well documented. The reporting of the Wakefield debacle is both specific and well documented; the generalized accusations towards, say, sellers of health supplements are neither. By straying from facts into hyperbole or ad hominem arguments, I fear that pro-science individuals or organizations are likely to reduce the impact of the pro-vax fundamental arguments.

  • Sam Davies

    The only people guilty of terrorizing others are people like thus stupid woman, who attempt to bully and ridicule and demonize others for their choices.

    A non vaccinated person can not spread a disease they don’t have. If you believe vaccines work, those who are vaccinated are “safe” no matter how many non vaccinated people there are. So pipe down.

  • Acleron

    The Nirvana Fallacy.

    Many of the unvaccinated are not unvaccinated by choice, the very young, the immunocompromised, the children of antivaxxers.. .

  • Christie Knetsch

    You’ve got to be kidding. It’s now a conspiracy theory that vaccines contain poisons. None of you know how vaccines are supposed to work. Ever heard of an adjuvant? The premise of a vaccine is to inject poison into your body to mount an immune response. If any one of these so called reporters actually reported facts about vaccine science.. omg.. pro vaxxers are such extremists and not one seems to understand basic vaccine science. The recent uptick of more and more anti vaxxers is because the adjuvants have changed from just mercury (thimerisol) and aluminimum to glyphosate (round up… kills weeds but hey.. let’s inject it directly into our bloodstream).. polysorbate 80.. formaldehyde (uh.. dont’ we wait til someones actually fully dead before we do that?) You lady.. are obviously a shill for the corporations.. so why do you also need a patreon page? Quit adding the blatant misinformation.. you are part of the problem..and that’s not the only blatant error in this ‘article’. The CDC has on it’s own website the list of adjuvants (toxic poisons) in vaccines as do all of the vaccine inserts..listing the side effects as well.. autism, guillain barre, diabetes to name but a few.. (had a link to the cdc but no outside links allowed apparently.. so go to the CDC yourself.. or just google guillain barre to find that one of the ways to get it is a side effect of the flu shot. for example.. so are you gonna start calling the CDC a terrorist? You might as well.. because they haven’t been called to task even after a whistle blower came forwarding not only vindicating Andy Wakefield..but proving the CDC lied about the MMR studies.. The blatant lies and disinformation in this article are appalling.

  • Kameron Krause

    Terrorists. Wow. This woman is a complete moron. Talking about third world nations like they compare to the US is ridiculous. There’s no toxic chemicals aborted fetal cells. Animal DNA glyphosate in vaccines. Really. What is her source. And give it a reat with the Wakefield bullshit. People have been protesting the use of vaccines for over 100 years. This is nothing new. Do you actually research anythinf or do you get your.script straight from Pharma. Vaccines dont make money. They have zero liability for their product unlike all thr rest of the garbage they pimp out. I would hardly call a 54 billion dollar a year industry chump change. And they make life long customers with all the side effects suffered from this frankenscience garbage. You really need to do some research. I’m embarrassed for you. Wow.

  • Janice
  • Janice

    Can we just have some peer reviewed scientific unbiased no fraud safety studies done?

  • Noturbus

    These people are our peers, not terrorists. When did our society become so petrified of everything, including minor diseases? They almost always ARE minor. Please stop lapping up the rhetoric and start thinking critically.

    Gaslighting is real, and it’s in full force. If you watch your child start seizing shortly after vaccines, it’s never from the vaccine, that’s what you’re told. Ignore the fact that the adjuvants are neurotoxic, that’s not important. If your child develops brain swelling or limb paralysis after their last round of childhood shots, and you protest that, now you’re automatically an anti-vaxxer. STOP the hate and think about that. Your beautiful healthy child is injured and hospitalized by the very things that you’re told will protect him, and YOU’RE the bad guy for questioning it.

    Why can citizens not protest the mandatory injection of pharmaceutical cocktails that can and do cause harm into their body? Why can citizens not demand better products? Better oversight? Less cronyism? Our best interests are not in their head, dont forget that for one second. I’m not talking about the scientists that work on each part of the whole, I’m talking about the high up executives, the one who see the big picture and bury it, pay off politicians, and fill our”news” with rhetoric and propoganda. Clearly HealthyPeople2020 (Google that one if you dont know what I am talking about) contains heavy use of propoganda and fear mongering to achieve those goals. Stop slinging the insults and try to see what your purported opponent is saying, try to understand their point of view. You may begin to understand THEIR fear, not just yours. If you don’t want to use your mental faculties to try to understand both sides of this, then you need to have a seat and not be a useful idiot.

  • Plum Remson

    By the writer’s inside-out logic, pacifists are “terrorists”. Those who oppose the use of Dicamba in agriculture are “terrorists”. Vaccines are pharmaceutical products sold for profit by a liability-free industry. They carry known risks, hence their designation as “unavoidably unsafe” by the Supreme Court. Each pediatric vaccine currently in use was approved without going through an inert-placebo-controlled study to establish safety. We have relied on the surrogate endpoint of “antibody production” for a particular pathogen as a substitute for determining whether getting a vaccine or a whole passel of them actually leads to more health and higher over-all odds of survival. You can listen to vaccine designer, industry consultant, paradigm enforcer and all around titan, describe the situation in a sworn deposition from a court case in 2018. https://www.docdroid.net/8zJh4QQ/1-11-18-matheson-plotkin.pdf#page=16 Meanwhile, canary in the coal mine science is dripping in: In this 2017 study by long-time vaccine program architect, children receiving DPT died at 5-10x rate of those who didn’t get it. That finding should be inspiring all kinds of questions from those who promote vaccines in general and claim to defer to science. http://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P But the public health establishment, as cozy as can be with the pharmaceutical industry has steadfastly refused to set in motion the retrospective and prospective studies to compare total health outcomes for vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, which can be done, even under our current built-on-sand assumptions about the “unethicalness” of “denying” someone a vaccine in a testing situation. The writer’s inflammatory language is absurd.

  • james___b

    You talk about bullying others when you allow your children to be vulnerable to deadly, yet preventable diseases. That’s beyond bullying, it’s child abuse. People like you should be in prison right next to rapists and murderers. The evidence supporting vaccinations is irrefutable.

  • Sophotroph

    See, the reason you’ve come to this mistaken conclusion is that you’ve never bothered to (or are simply unable to) research these false claims put out by antivaxx propagandists.

    None of what you have stated is true in the slightest, but you won’t ever learn that because your masters have successfully trained you to believe that there’s something wrong with the actual facts and those who have a command of them.

    It’s like how creationists never actually bother to learn what evolution is actually about. It makes them incapable of arguing competently about the subject, and keeps them from realizing that fact.

    The science does support the pro-vax side, 100%. If you would follow the money like antivaxxers keep telling me to do, you would find that there is very little money in vaccines, and quite a lot more money in the various fake medicine crazes being offered as a substitute.

    I was a conspiracy theorist too, once. I got out when I realized the only conclusions I wasn’t being skeptical about were my own.

    I got better. You can too. If you really care about the health and safety of children, you owe it to yourself to look deeper.

  • james___b

    Yes, you’re right, vaccines don’t make money. There goes your whole conspiracy. Like she said, big pharma would make a lot more money if nobody got vaccinated. YOU need to do some research, and realize that countless studies in multiple countries following the SCIENTIFIC METHOD have been performed that show the effectiveness of vaccines. The biased sources you find are only focused on finding what they want to find, which is not scientific. You all are second only to flat earthers for the most retarded conspiracy group out there.

  • Sophotroph

    Stop. You’re not questioning. You’re demanding that everybody embrace your answers even though we can clearly see the lies they’re based on.

    Although, the irony of you gaslighting and slinging propaganda while railing against those exact things is pretty funny.

  • Sophotroph

    I see a whole lot of low-post accounts slinging fake outrage and antivaxx propaganda.

    You can positively smell the rubles.

  • Sophotroph

    “If you don’t refuse to vaccinate your children, the government will give them autism and cancer and projectile diarrhea!”

    It’s still a threat of violence. That it’s supposed to come from somewhere else doesn’t detract from the fact that the aim is to elicit terror.

  • Noturbus

    Stop my calls for reason, compassion, and critical thinking? No, I will not, because clearly you’re the type of person that needs that call. There was no gaslighting in my statement, nor propoganda by me, but OK sunshine. Demanding everyone embrace my answers? Also no. You can find a safe space with others who want to fire up the pitch forks, but me, I want accountability and open discourse, not fearmongering and overreaching government intervention. The very government entity that is directed by a group made up of former pharmaceutical executives. If you think I’m full of it on that one then you haven’t read enough yet.

  • Sophotroph

    Amazing. You can complain about bullying while literally telling people who disagree with you to shut up.

    I guess we can see why you fell for the antivaxxer nonsense.

  • Plum Remson

    That is a string of ad hominem, loaded labels, straw men, and over broad claims in reply to a set of clearly stated specific concerns about the state of vaccine safety science, industry influence, and the possibility that we have mistaken protection from a particular pathogen or set thereof, for an increase in odds for overall health and survival for each individual, never mind particular circumstances. Your contention that there is no money in vaccines, does not jibe with the story told in pharmaceutical industry trade publications and in business journalism. https://theethicalskeptic.com/2018/12/26/six-vaccinial-generation-trends-already-well-underway/ It’s my skepticism and respect for science that fuels my questioning.

  • NoToGMOs

    Congrats, you managed to NOT address a single statement Plum Remson provided, while spewing a whole paragraph of nonsense. How does it feel to be utterly lacking in both scientific knowledge and common sense?

  • NoToGMOs

    If people were acting overtly or covertly to increase pharmaceutical profits by using false propaganda to sell and force medical procedures on other human beings without their full informed consent, would it be a form of corporate and government-sponsored terrorism? Wouldn’t the Nuremberg Code and the code of medical ethics cover this?

  • I’m cleaning it up now!

  • Barbara loeppke

    The propaganda in this article is disgusting. Parents should be allowed their constitutional right to freedom of religion and their right under the Nuremberg Code and The UNESCO resolution to decline a medical injection of a biologic drug with fear of being labeled a terriorist.

    What payment of promise was made to you, Katie Joy, to get you to write such an inflammatory piece. Was it the clicks on your article and the shares that drove you? Or an outright “donation” of lifetime coffee by the pharmaceutical industry? Either way, your lack of journalism is showing.

  • Yep, I saw it.

  • Sophotroph

    I don’t see why you’d ask that. You’re already living the dream.

  • Sophotroph

    It would, if it were happening.

    Now go take your mountain of proof to a judge and bust some heads, hero!

  • Since you are active today – can you flag stuff as you see it?

  • Laura Pieters

    Almost all anti-vaxxers were once run of the mill pro-vaxxers. There is a reason their opinions changed.

  • Margaret Moore

    I suggest we roll back the 1986 bill that protects vaccine makers and Doctors from prosecution. Then we would have a VALID method of measuring damage done by vaccines. The vaccine makers threated to stop making vaccines because of lawsuits. If they were held responsible, the vaccines they make might be safer.
    Wakefield was pro-vax and didn’t have any problems with single vaccines. When they were combined as in MMR he started to see problems in the gut. He was a pediatric gastroenterologist. His paper had only a few children but said results were significant enough to warrant further study. Did you read the ACTUAL paper?
    Most anti-vaxxers are parents with vaccine-injured children and they want to warn others, although people don’t listen until it happens to them or a family member.

  • tripper

    So according to your own stats you have a 0.0009% chance of dying from the measles. I figured those were the kind of numbers behind the fear mongering.

  • tripper

    Big pharma makes the vaccines, my child. Sorry.

  • QB

    I wonder how much money Big Pharma paid this stupid twit????? Talk about Big Pharma propaganda and pots calling the kettle black! The real terrorists are the supporters of Big Pharma and their willingness to poison society for financial gain.

  • Rod Johnson

    There will always be a segment of people that do not deserve to live in a free society. This author is a standard bearer. Any argument for government mandated medical treatments can be extended to eugenics. Communists are counting on people to have short memories.

  • Rod Johnson

    You are completely and categorically wrong about vaccines making $. Check the last quarterly report by Merck. Pushing that brazen ignorance is not welcome in this discussion.

  • Rod Johnson

    Any argument that allows the government to mandate medicine can be extended to include eugenics. Maybe young people are not taught enough US history?

  • Nicole Tozier

    Ya got me! I’m out to kill all the kids! Damn, I thought sharing science could hide that agenda, but I guess not! Go you!!

  • etyrnal

    so, making people AFRAID of ‘anti-vaxxers’… in order to INFLUENCE policy…
    that’s not terrorism?
    Always LOOK for the “pot calling the kettle black” mechanism.
    Meaning, they always preemptively accuse the other side of doing what the ACCUSERS are DOING.
    The ACCUSERS (vaxxer-poisoners) are accusing the NATURAL IMMUNITY folks of ENDANGERING their VACCINATED “””PROTECTED””” kids, and asking the WORLD to FEAR FEAR FEAR the NATURAL IMMUNITY folks (who didn’t CREATE, or INVENT the NATURAL PHENOMENON) to the degree that they are DEMANDING POLICIES to create MANDATES (policy/law)…
    USING FEAR (TERROR) to manipulate POLICY
    == terrorism
    [it’s part of the ‘Rules For Radicals’ — terrorism — “Rules For Radicals is SELF-DESCRIBED as a TERRORIST ENDEAVOR — RULE #9 indicates the AIM of anyone using the Rules For Radicals as being MORE than TERROR]

  • etyrnal

    BE AFRAID! BE VERY AFRAID! [because vaccines don’t work? — otherwise, WTF is there to be TERRORIZED about? Your Safe & EFFECTIVE™ vaccines don’t work? They don’t confer IMMUNITY™? WFT is all the idiotic FEAR-TERRORISM-PORN all about? You have ZERO REAL faith in vaccination science™.]

  • Lark62

    Are you aware that Dave Armstrong at his blog that I won’t name has taken your words and turned them into a new blog post?

    He has a very long track record of doing this without the knowledge or permission of the victim du jour.

  • What is his site?

  • HematitePersuasion

    I was not, but I find it extremely amusing, especially as Mr. Armstrong just accused me of ‘misrepresenting Christians’. It seems to be a pattern with him: open a discussion, go for a bit, and then, when he feels his position is threatened, have him explode with ad hominem attacks to shut down his thinking.

  • HematitePersuasion

    As Lark62 does not wish to publicize his blog, I would invite you to find it by googling his name and patheos, as he is a frequent contributor.

  • I googled him – he looks like a treat. I don’t spend much time reading content outside the atheist channel. So I would have no idea had you not brought up his name. I didn’t know you were a writer here either 😉

  • HematitePersuasion

    I am not an author on Patheos; I have no blog. I am merely an occasional commentator. I do read Mr. Armstrong’s writings when they look interesting, and I do have a tendency to poke at the more bizarre assertions. Sometimes, it is informative. Sometimes, it is not.

  • Teresa Campbell

    So I’m a vaxxer who learned of your article because it upset an anti-vax friend of mine. I find it interesting that you’re not allowing outside links in the comments on an blogpost that can only be disputed by outside links. If you and your readers are so informed surely you can dispute any pseudoscience ones. I also read your bio and wonder where you got your education on medical issues that your sharing with the world is from. Isn’t part of the reason we have this situation is those not medically educated or scientist sharing information with the masses like they are experts. I think your article does more to hurt the vaccination battle that you feel is so important. If you really want to make a difference, why don’t you try discussing and debating instead of insulting and deleting.

  • Lark62

    It’s on patheos catholic. Biblical Evidence for Catholicism.

    But I strongly advise not commenting, or even reading. Before or immediately after creating a blog post misrepresenting an atheist’s words, he will block the person. Then he will mock them for not responding.

    After blocking Bob Sydenstriker, Armstrong did a series of about 40 posts quote mining Bob’s Cross Examined posts. He repeatedly criticized him for not responding with no hint that Bob was blocked.

    I found out a year after the fact that Dave had used my words for a blog post, including pulling in my comments from other sites out of context. And yes, I was blocked and could not defend myself.

    When Dave uses the word “dialogue” in a post title, this usually means a dishonest hit job on someone who cannot respond.

  • Oh ok. I did see your name mentioned in his most recent blog.

  • Got it. He seems to be on the extreme end of Catholicism so I would not spend time on his page. I looked through some articles after you posted – I thought you were speaking about me. Turns out you weren’t. We have a content copyright rule – so he shouldn’t be doing that – you can always make complaints to our editors – they remove content all the time.

  • Lark62

    Yep, but there is one more step. After egging you on, and after dishonestly quote mining your comments, he will block you to prevent you from defending yourself or pointing out his dishonesty.

  • People need to report that to his editor. My editor pulls stuff from time to time. I had to completely revamp a story because of a complaint.

  • Lark62

    Sorry this looked like I was commenting about you. Absolutely not. I like to warn Armstrong’s victims because of what happened to me. But I can’t do it on his site (I’m blocked). And even if I wasn’t I wouldn’t want to feed his stats. I just check his headlines every so often. “Dialogue” means “dishonest hit job.”

    This has been going on for years. Apparently the keepers of patheos catholic have no problem with it. The only consolation is that his comment traffic is down to nearly nothing.

  • Interesting. Well you are welcome to hang out here. 🙂 I’ve been on this channel since July and cover a wide variety of topics – and most of them are not blog/essays – but informational/news and some investigative work

  • Lark62

    Thanks.

    Not all patheos editorial decisions are logical. Patheos evangelical booted Warren Throckmorton and welcomed Mark Driscoll. Go figure.

    Patheos NonReligious seems pretty solid.

  • Lark62

    McCarthy works to prevent vaccines that save lives, but voluntarily has BOTULISM TOXIN injected in her face to prevent wrinkles.

    I wish there were a hell just for her.

  • Lark62

    Yes. Russia wants to diminish the power and influence of the US. Feeding antivax / antiscience paranoia is a cheap and easy way to further that goal.

  • Our Editor is pretty fantastic!

  • doromaln

    This is so misguided and misinformed that Katie Joy better educate herself before posting such crap. Fact check the heck out of this intellectually-devoid-emotional-junk!

    You know why people are “anti-vaccine” because of vaccine-injury. It’s real folks and our government is both “compensating the crap out of it” ($4 billion dollars so far) and “protecting Big Pharma from liability related to childhood vaccines.” It ain’t hidden just look up “wiki national vaccine act of 1986.”

    I used to be pro-vaccine then I learned about all these stories. And sorry folks… I just… can’t do it… anymore. I’m going to advocate now for people’s free choice.

    Read below here’s a story to illustrate exactly what I’m talking about.

    ———————————————————————————————————————————-

    Holly’s last words were, “Mommy, help.”

    On February 4th, 2000, Holly Stavola, a daughter, a sibling, a grandchild, and a niece died tragically and unnecessarily from encephalopathy due to her 2nd MMR vaccination. Holly was a completely healthy, bright, kind and beautiful 5 year old child. The day she received her vaccinations at her 5 year well check-up Holly was not sick nor immunocompromised in any way. She received the MMR, the oral polio (which was no longer recommended as of Jan. 2000), the DTaP, the Mantoux test, and my son received the Chickenpox Vaccine (he was 9 years old). She became very ill a week following the shots, which is within the expected time period, a vaccine table injury of encephalopathy. Encephalopathy is one of the potential reactions of the MMR as stated in the Merck Package Insert and the vaccinetable.html on the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. It can occur between 5-15 days after the vaccine.

    She suffered 65 hours before becoming brain dead. Her first symptoms were a 107 degree fever and seizure that happened in our house before calling 911. In the first hospital we were screaming for help; they did a spinal tap to check for meningitis, and with increasing brain inflammation this should not have been done. She was shivering because hypothermia set in due to them trying to cool down her 107/108 fever. She was naked, vomiting, could not speak (ataxia), and had tears in her eyes. Her last words in the ambulance were, “Mommy help.”

    http://www.hopefromholly.com/hollys-story

    #Measles #MMR #Vaccines #VaccineReactions #VaccineDeaths

  • Marko Secerkovic

    This article sounds like terrorism.

  • Monster

    This article is terrorism… wtf

  • Christie Knetsch

    Hmm.. removed my comment.. and as I see you’ve removed so many others.. can’t take valid scientific arugments? Let’s see how long this comment stays up. I will be watching..
    so according to your ‘article’.. anti vaxxers promote conspiracy theories.. one of which you claim to be that there are toxins in vaccines. Do any of you even know the premise of a vaccine? they are made using adjuvants. Adjuvants stimulate the immune system response.. the same way an insect bite does.. which is why you get itching redness and swelling at the site of injection. They way they do this is to mimic a bee sting. (I’m using simple words here because obviously none of you is a scientist.. including the writer of this so called article.) OK.. SO adjuvants are used (toxins) in vaccines.. such as thimerisol (mercury) which you’ve probably heard of.. but this is not used alone.. it’s used with aluminum and formaldehyde. Since we’re oh so conveniently not allowed to publish outside links and any logical arguments here are automatically deleted… do yourself a favor and look at your own beloved CDC website if you don’t believe me. It’s basic vaccine science.

  • terryparkerjr

    How can anyone accept this BS, when we are subject to a medical holocaust? We have hundreds of thousands of defenseless children, subjected to various covert Nuremberg Code violations, without transparency or accountability, while the authorities aid and abet, with this criminal assault and battery, and human suffering. If anyone is a terrorist, it is our medical profession, when exploiting children for unauthorized human experimentation, by means of fraud, and misrepresentation. Until we address this criminal cover-up, we remain prone at risks, as a result of pro-vaxxer terrorists.

  • Chris O

    OK, somebody needs to lay off the Alex Jones….

  • Angel Parkey

    Removing comments from anyone with a different opinion? Kind of makes the comments hard to navigate since you’re leaving up the come backs.
    Kind of sketchy to filter peoples posts.

  • terryparkerjr

    I don’t go by Alex Jones, I go by Toronto HSC medical records, Cat scan X-rays, and being a unwitting subject, of unauthorized covert human experimentation at only 14 years of age. Dec. 9,1969. I’m also witness to many children on neurosurgical wards 5-G and 6-G, with various cranium incisions, and increase in seizure disorder. When a HSC Patient Advocate informs me, that since I’m a victim of criminal assault and battery, and handcuffed to intervene, I try to be a good person, and educate the masses of this on-going problem, as I’m reminded by the Patient Advocate. We live in a sick corrupt evil and sadistic world, where we exploit, and kill children for research. While we have rights for those regardless of race or sex, there remains no protection for unwitting subjects, of unauthorized human experimentation. See this X-ray, ask yourself, shouldn’t there be informed consent, for these 43 metallic implants in the cerebral cortex? Another thing, ever question who to turn to, when subject of a experiment, without consent, nor parental knowledge? Most effed up, that I may exercise the courts, as to legalize marijuana for medical necessity, but not address unauthorized human experimentation at the Toronto Hospital for Sick Children. I often wonder if the shot I got in 1964, resulted in seizure disorder and epilepsy. Antivaxxers cannot be dismissed, when there is so much corruption, and no transparency and accountability, in respect to various covert Nuremberg Code violations. I wish you were there, when I was screaming verbal profanities during a local cranium incision, as to have further insight on this medical holocaust. http://www.ontariocourts.ca/decisions/2000/juy/parker.htm https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/79c9624bc95cb9ead250e08f0ab6d408e77b9e9347a07fb339a51ddf3406c8ef.jpg

  • Le lee

    I am a parent of a vaccine injured child and at this point I consider myself to be an ex vaxxer not anti vaxxer. After thousands of hours of research and thousands of dollars in testing done to get to the big picture of what kind of neurological damage was done to my sweet little boy following a routine mmr vaccine I have concluded most people who blindly trust vaccines have not thoroughly looked into the science of vaccines. The Supreme Court justice has actually deemed all vaccines unavoidably unsafe. There has also been over 100,000,000 $ paid out to one vaccine injury case alone that proved the link between autism and vaccines. For Americans to go blindly into trusting corporations who have zero liability for the products they create is simply ignorance. It calls for social injustice. There has been a problem with testing vaccines for safety. In America the oversight agency has not tested vaccines for safety in 32 years. How could this be? There are so many heathy children dying after routine vaccines and many more being maimed for life by a science that we as a culture have so many misperceptions about, please look deeper into this matter, follow the money. As an ex vaxxer i wish I asked more questions, but now I have to work on recovery from the damage my ignorance caused my child. Look into learntherisk.org a Merck executive was sick of what she saw Behind closed door meetings so she left her cushy job to inform the public of what the vaccine manufacturers DO NOT want you to know about there products.

  • zenlike

    “But I strongly advise not commenting, or even reading. Before or immediately after creating a blog post misrepresenting an atheist’s words, he will block the person. Then he will mock them for not responding.”

    Yup, he did that to me too. Then he started replying to a comment I made on another blog. I told him to fuck off, if he wanted to engage with me, he shouldn’t have blocked me. Of course, he obviously wanted to engage with me, just not on his blog where his readers could see him getting schooled.

  • zenlike

    Warren Throckmorton was booted? Sigh, one of them few honest and sane evangelic voices left, it’s almost as if they want to drive the point home that evangelical == rightwing political hack.

  • Lark62

    Yep, sanity and honesty won’t be tolerated. But plagiarizing abusers (cough Mark Driscoll cough) are welcomed.

    FYI, it’s easy to get to Warren’s new blog on wordpress by googling. I just forget to visit often enough. He is still doing good work.

  • KB

    to whomever posted the comment about Japanese vaccinations not occurring till age two. That’s just demonstrably wrong. Unfortunately for you, I read Japanese. It is easy to look up this information. http://www.wakuchin.net/schedule/baby.html

    2ヶ月 is two MONTHS. Vaccinations start at 2 months. Not two years. You could have found that easily enough on google translate too. so are you stupid or malicious?

  • Daniel

    What a disgusting article. You should be ashamed of yourself. Vaccines contain KNOWN neurotoxins and aborted fetal tissue, and you’re calling anyone who questions that a terrorist? Welcome to the insane asylum we call 2019.

  • schpadoinkle

    you mean activists working again corporate/medical fascism!

  • schpadoinkle

    sure, having yourself/your kids injured, and/or doing a lot of research = ignorance.

  • schpadoinkle

    hahaha! who is putting these about? oh wait!

  • schpadoinkle

    deleted cause ?!

  • schpadoinkle

    for a reasonable balanced discussion that allows only 1 point of view, no doubt.

  • schpadoinkle

    if only we could see the comment that you’re replying to 😉

  • schpadoinkle

    japan, the country that has suspended ,and is suing over gardasil?

  • schpadoinkle

    antivax info/pro vax propaganda.

  • schpadoinkle

    lol!

  • Aleah Meggs

    We have been telling people to read the medical inserts that come with the vaccines. We tell people to read the CDC website. We encourage people to do their own research. How is that spreading false information? The only ones spreading false information about vaccines are the media, the elite and the vaccine manufacturers. Don’t let them think for you. Use your brain and read the inserts. The elite DO NOT VACCINATE their children! But they expect the masses to? Watch the TED talk by Bill Gates titled Innovating to zero: https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates. He flat out admits vaccines are killing us in this speech! Something is definitely wrong here. We are the only ones telling the truth and doing the research! Encouraging you to use your brain is not spreading false information or terrorism. SMH

    I’ve spoken with many pro-vaxxers. All of them don’t care to learn anything about vaccines. They believe every lie being programmed into their brain. They repeat everything they have heard from the media or vaccine manufacturers. Most of them don’t even listen to what I have to say. They are quick to throw insults at me or my son. I’ve been told “I hope your son dies of measles!” among other things. I would NEVER wish death on any child vaccinated or not! Because we know exactly what vaccines can do to a family. We are doing everything in our power to save everyone’s children. This is how we are treated. We are called crazy. Crazy is blindly agreeing with something you know has killed people and have no knowledge of. If you are going to come at us with insults, death threats, or some biased article funded by a vaccine company sit down. We are well educated on vaccines. If you are going to throw insults at us and name call you are making a fool of yourself. When you have no real evidence to back up your claims you resort to name calling and child like aggression. It’s sad. I have yet to speak with a pro-vaxxer who has real solid information, research or evidence to back up their claims. There is no solid research to prove vaccines are safe. ZERO. They usually post some bullshit article funded by a vaccine company. I know this hostility comes from a place of feeling judged and having severe cognitive dissonance. I am not here to judge. I am here to educate. If you have vaccinated your child that is your choice and I don’t judge you for doing so. I would hope that you actually did your research before blindly trusting the media, doctors or the vaccine manufacturers.

    If you vaccinate, ask yourself some serious questions:
    1. Are your beliefs more important than the health of your children and future generations?
    2. How many actual studies have you read that support your belief in vaccinations?…be honest now.
    3. How many years have you spent reading research papers, the vaccine inserts or the vaccine ingredients?
    4. Have you looked up each individual ingredient and read how harmful they all are?
    5. Did you asked your doctor about vaccines?

    If you haven’t asked yourself these questions I don’t understand why you would vaccinate without doing so. There are thousands of mothers who have vaccinated their children but stopped because of side effects, injuries or deaths. This is a fact.

  • i’m not an anti-vaxxer, but i am skeptical. it’s a chore trying to soft though all the propaganda to find the core arguments and thoughtful consideration from both sides.
    both sides obfuscate and amp up emotion — using non-rational appeals to something other than reason.

    i was hoping the title of this article was mere click-bate, but the author justin keeps going with this demonizing purpose of ad hominem rather than being factual and reasonable.
    for anti-vaxxers to be called terorists, they’d have to have the intention of terrorizing the public to bring about the downfall of the country.
    fear as an advertising tool or a means to make profit does not a terrorist make — and both sides do it to change behavior.
    unfortunately this article hasn’t added anything to the conversation just stirred up more fear.
    are you a terorist for using fear to change government policy? is it just fixable because your right?
    it’s just a bad slope to start slipping down.

  • KB

    And to the person who erroneously claimed that they banned and are suing the HPV vaccine. Again, wrong! And you don’t even need to read Japanese for that one since there is also an english version:
    http://www.jpeds.or.jp/modules/activity/index.php?content_id=138

    Having it be mandatory has been suspended, pending additional studies (which, though at the behest of a nascent anti-vaxx community, is not a bad reflection on the vaccine itself. Just that they want to eliminate doubt on its efficacy.) But parents in Japan can still ask for it, and do.

  • KB

    Since your comment was deleted:

    And to the person who erroneously claimed that they banned and are suing the HPV vaccine. Again, wrong! And you don’t even need to read Japanese for that one since there is also an english version:
    http://www.jpeds.or.jp/modules/activity/index.php?content_id=138

    Having it be mandatory has been suspended, pending additional studies (which, though at the behest of a nascent anti-vaxx community, is not a bad reflection on the vaccine itself. Just that they want to eliminate doubt on its efficacy.) But parents in Japan can still ask for it, and do.

  • Asha Bas

    indeed. that term describes those who push vaccines and NOT the other way around.

    And of course, it is not those who warn against the dangers of vaccines that pose any threat at all, but rather those who go out of their way to poison antifreeze, aborted foetal cells, mercury, formaldehyde, diseases etc into children and who threaten death to those who do not!

    A thinking person understands that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PASS A DISEASE ONTO SOMEONE IF YOU DO NOT HAVE IT YOURSELF!

  • Asha Bas

    Yes indeed. Only a fool allows their children to be injected with ANYTHING, not knowing EXACTLY what is in that injection and why it is being injected. Only an irresponsible parent does NOT do their own homework and research thoroughly every aspect of being a parent. Parents often put a great deal of thought and even research into their child’s name and where they go to school, a sensible parent checks ingredients on whatever food they give their child – how much more sensible for something that is injected into their child. And of course we are all different and react differently to the exact same thing – ,most of us are not exact copies of each other.

  • Asha Bas

    Funny how people keep on bring up McCarthy and Wakefield…. The irony is that of course people have been raising concerns regarding vaccines since they first came into existence long before these two were even born. And most people who raise concerns these days never know about the above two people until they are being told that this is why they are raising concerns!

    Ironically, what is being said about these two people is not even close to the truth anyway. Like Chinese Whispers the lies simply spread and become more and more distorted and further from the truth!

    Couldn’t possibly be because they know that diseases were waning out before vaccines came into being, or that clean water and not people not shitting or throwing urine in the streets anymore made a big difference, plus washing of the hands, and the availability of fresh produce. Or that they know what is actually in the diseases…. Or that they know how their child was BEFORE being vaccinated, and how their child was very soon afterward, having observed the differences….

    They couldn’t possible have read many research papers and heard many testimonies from doctors who actually have researched into this (and no, doctors and nurses do NOT learn very much at all about vaccines in their medical training), and parents who have gone before them…

  • Asha Bas

    Yes this person is clearly VERY confused. This definition does very aptly apply to those who go out of their way to push vaccines and issue death threats onto people, though.

  • Asha Bas

    Goodness what are these fake medicines?

  • HematitePersuasion

    Again, the term terrorism is not appropriate for either side of the alleged vaccination debate. (Alleged, because the matter is settled and has been settled for quite some time. The endless recycling of lies, untruths, and distortions by those opposed to vaccination is not debate, it is willful malicious arrogant ignorance). Vaccination is proven to prevent diseases that once killed and crippled millions. If you are too ignorant to understand that proof, that is YOUR problem. Those of us with a basic understanding of epidemiology understand it clearly. Your references to ‘antifreeze’, ‘aborted foetal cells’, ‘mercury’, ‘formaldehyde’ only expose your ignorance and attempt to induce fear.

    The anti-vaccination movement poses deadly health threats to children, the immune-challenged, and the world. I am not sure there is a term for this sort of ignorance-driven destructive behavior, but it might be summed up as brute stupid malice.

    Do not use my words or thoughts to advance an agenda which applies ignorance and fear to kill and maim children.

  • Daniel

    Very sad. Up is down. Left is right. And apparently questioning medical procedures that have killed people and destroyed lives (something that the US created Vaccine Court has paid billions to parents for) makes you a terrorist. What a psychopathic thought process.

  • schpadoinkle

    yes.

  • Daniel

    Check out “The Vaccine Debate” with Sharyl Attkisson on her show “FULL MEASURE”.

    Can’t post the link/vid, but here is the summary before you watch. Should be a must watch for all people. This is from a few weeks ago:
    ” Today we investigate one of the biggest medical controversies of our time: vaccines. There’s little dispute about this much– vaccines save many lives, and rarely, they injure or kill. A special federal vaccine court has paid out billions for injuries from brain damage to death. But not for the form of brain injury we call autism. Now—we have remarkable new information: a respected pro-vaccine medical expert used by the federal government to debunk the vaccine-autism link, says vaccines can cause autism after all. He claims he told that to government officials long ago, but they kept it secret.”

  • just because you believe terrorism is one thing – doesn’t make what they do any less terroristic.

  • Deuce_2112

    I thought that survival of the fittest was what it was all about. Now they want to call those who are actually practicing it “terrorists”? That’s a huge load of BS.

  • HematitePersuasion

    I am reconsidering.

  • nick quinlan

    Katie Joy is a complete lunatic, I can’t believe this BS was even published. I won’t even bother going into the endless lies in this article, and they are endless. She says educated people that don’t vaccinate because of the “conspiracy that they contain toxins” is all too much. Ever read a vaccine insert, or ingredient list? They real terrorists are people like this half-baked pharma shill, that insist on injecting known neurotoxins, carcinogens, bacterias, viruses, and other assorted toxic waste chemicals that do not belong anywhere near an infant, much less injected into them, and say its protects them from something. Vaccines are the greatest medical fraud ever devised, and are nothing more than organized crime at this point. This wacko Katie belongs in an insane asylum. That the criminal pharmaceutical industry stoops so low as to hire a hack, to print repulsive garbage like this, exposes their complete desperation, as they see an awakened public no longer buying their lies. Vaccine refusal has quadrupled recently, and continues to grow. Its all over for this multi billion dollar scam.

  • nick quinlan

    Vaccines have never been proven to prevent or eliminate any disease, because they never have. And yes, vaccines DO contain ethyl glycol, formaldehyde, aborted fetal cells, mercury, aluminum, and other assorted toxic chemicals. Read an ingredient list and educate yourself. Vaccines pose a deadly threat to children and kill and maim thousands each and every year. That’s a proven fact. Over $72 million dollars has been paid for injury and death in 2019 so far already, and over $4 billion since 1986, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. The people that lie for this criminal industry, like yourself, are the real terrorists..

  • nick quinlan

    What are you blabbering about? Vaccines are a multi billion dollar a year industry, and growing. And they also create a downstream revenue stream, treating sick and injured children from vaccine injury. You are delusional.

  • nick quinlan

    I wonder why. No truth allowed here in fascist pharma land.

  • nick quinlan

    Your statement that there is no money in vaccinations is a flat out lie. It is a multi-billion dollar a year market every year, and growing all the time. If it wasn’t so lucrative, they wouldn’t have over 200 vaccines in development. They aren’t in business in making drugs that are not profitable. Were else can an industry make billions a year with NO liability whatsoever. This doesn’t even consider the downstream revenue in treating children injured by vaccines. Hope you are paid well to lie like this and destroy any integrity you may have once had as a human being.

  • nick quinlan

    No, the evidence supporting vaccinations is fraudulent, and based on bought and paid for “science”. What are these deadly diseases? Measles? Death from measles occurred in .23 per 100,000 cases, or, one death per 400,000. That was before the introduction of the vaccine. Chickenpox? Gimme a break. The UK doesn’t even vaccinate for that. These childhood illnesses were dying out in the USA and Europe at the same time all by themselves. Europe didn’t even begin vaccinating until a year after the US. Japan has banned te MMR and the Gardasil vaccine because of safety concerns, and Sweden has banned all mandatory vaccines because of serious safety concerns.

  • nick quinlan

    How did humanity ever survive for thousands of years without vaccines? How did I survive 65 years without any vaccines? How did my great grandmother, born in 1898 live to be 100, without a single vaccine or prescription drug? How are their untold thousands of healthy, unvaccinated people around the world? I guess us “terrorists” just live longer than vaccinated non-terrorist, pharma compliant drones.

  • HematitePersuasion

    I have no interest in debating someone so deluded, or simply a troll.

  • nick quinlan

    Good! Because there is nothing to debate, everything I stated is a fact that anyone can verify with but a couple minutes on the computer. It is YOU that is obviously a pharma troll, lying for a criminal industry that is based entirely on fraud, lies, and deceit. You should be ashamed of yourself.

  • nick quinlan

    People are against vaccines for very valid reasons. It is the most highly educated, higher income classes of people that refuse to inject their children with ever increasing schedules of useless toxins. Vaccines simply no not work as claimed by this criminal industry. For a recent example, the “outbreak” hysterically posted by the media in NYC, there were 124 cases of the measles, and 32 were unvaccinated. That’s 92 fully vaccinated that got the measles. Quite a spectacular failure rate. Many doctors and pediatricians refuse to vaccinate their children. A couple years ago, Congress members were polled as to whether they vaccinate their children, only 27% responded that they did. Three fourths of Congress refused to answer the question, that’s very telling. I guess 3/4’s of Congress are terrorists. This article is a sad reflection of the almost comical desperation of a completely dishonest industry. Articles such as this will only drive more people away, it borders on satire. Even people that are pro vax will read this and think, WTF?

  • nick quinlan

    Like your account? You don’t even have 2000 comments.

  • nick quinlan

    Japan stopped mandatory vaccines for a time because of their extremely high infant mortality rate, and raised the age to 2 yrs old for mandatory vaccines, and their infant mortality rate plummeted because of it. They have since removed that, and parents can chose to vaccinate earlier if they prefer. They have since completely banned the useless and dangerous MMR and Gardasil vaccine. They have a very low infant mortality rate, compared to the USA, which has the most aggressive vaccine schedule in the world, which goes hand in hand wit the worlds highest mortality rate in the developed world. They also have the highest day of birth death rate in the developed world, and since they started criminally vaccinating pregnant women, they now have the highest fetal death rate in the developed world. They real terrorists are the vaccine industry and the people that push his criminal assault on infants.

  • KB

    You are lying. As my links showed, neither have been banned. Are you illiterate or malicious? Gardasil has been taken off recommended pending future studies, but not for the reason you cite. It is never administered to infants.

    Finally, Japan has one of the highest rates of voluntary vaccination in the developed world. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4300546/

    Why do you want to make the world a worse place with your lies? Russia is not immune from vaccine preventable diseases

  • nick quinlan

    No, I am not lying. Anyone can Google the term -Did Japan ban the MMR vaccine, and they will find link after link showing that they did ban the MMR. https://newspunch.com/why-did-japan-ban-mmr-vaccine/

  • nick quinlan
  • nick quinlan

    The Japanese government banned the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine from its vaccination program in 1993, after a record number of children developed adverse reactions, including meningitis, loss of limbs, and death. [1]
    The MMR Vaccine’s Tragic History in Japan
    The MMR vaccine was introduced in Japan in April 1989, and parents who refused the compulsory vaccine were fined. After three months of analysis, officials realized that one in 900 children developed adverse reactions to the vaccine, a rate that was 2,000 times higher than the expected rate.
    Four years later, in 1993, the government removed the MMR mandate against measles and rubella. A doctor from Japan’s Ministry of Health and Welfare admitted that the separate, individual doses of measles and rubella cost twice as much to administer, and he defended the decision, stating, “but we believe it is worth it.” Furthermore, a member of the health ministry also stated that the ban has not caused an increase in deaths from measles. [2]
    Japanese officials were also concerned about the MMR vaccine causing additional cases of mumps, citing numerous studies in The Lancet. [3]
    What Many Parents Don’t Know About the MMR Vaccine

    The list of adverse reactions to the MMR vaccine, straight from Merck’s vaccine package inserts, is long and alarming. A shortened version of the vaccine damage associated with the MMR vaccine includes-

    Vomiting

    Diarrhea

    Anaphylaxis

    Nerve deafness

    Diabetes

    Arthritis

    Myalgia

    Encephalitis

    Febrile seizures

    Pneumonia, and

    Death. [4, 5]

  • KB

    Right, why actually read what the Japanese pediatric society says when you can find fake news articles not even from the country, to say your point. Even though I nabbed it from their Japanese site, THEY HAVE AN ENGLISH VERSION of the recommened schedule which includes MMR. You have ZERO excuse for your continued ignorance.

  • nick quinlan

    A search of the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database shows the following statistics from the United States: over 75,000 adverse events have been reported from any combination of measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines, including, most notably:
    78 deaths
    85 cases of deafness
    48 cases of decreased eye contact
    92 cases of developmental delay
    855 reported cases of autism
    116 cases of intellectual disability
    401 reports of speech disorders
    276 reports of loss of consciousness
    143 cases of encephalitis
    74 cases of meningitis
    111 cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome
    692 cases of gait disturbance (not being able to walk normally)
    748 cases of hypokinesia (partial or complete loss of muscle movement)

    653 reports of hypotonia (poor muscle tone)

    4874 reports of seizures, including febrile convulsions and tonic clonic seizures

    1576 cases of cellulitis (a potentially serious skin infection)

    And finally, in some cases, the vaccine has caused the very diseases it is supposed to prevent, with the following data reported to VAERS:

    147 cases of measles

    384 cases of mumps

    29 cases of rubella

    The number of adverse events following vaccination are vastly underreported, as acknowledged by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The National Vaccine Information Center estimates that less than one to ten percent of adverse reactions to vaccines are reported. Many of the numbers reported above could therefore be multiplied by one hundred to determine a more accurate amount of adverse reactions.

  • nick quinlan

    From The Japan Times:
    “Japan introduced the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine in 1989 but was forced to take it off the shelves four years later after about 2,000 people suffered side effects that included aseptic meningitis.
    These incidents led to a major revision of the Preventive Vaccination Law in 1994, with lawmakers deciding to recategorize vaccination from being mandatory to one that is routine and optional.
    People, however, continue to suffer from side effects caused by inoculation.
    Statistics compiled by the health ministry show that 38 infants have died after being inoculated with the Haemophilus influenzae type B or streptococcus pneumoniae vaccines since 2011. And the health ministry has received more than 2,000 complaints of side effects from the human papillomavirus vaccine that is designed to prevent cervical cancer.”

  • nick quinlan

    Why Japan banned MMR vaccine
    Japan stopped using the MMR vaccine seven years ago – virtually the only developed nation to turn its back on the jab.
    Government health chiefs claim a four-year experiment with it has had serious financial and human costs.
    Of the 3,969 medical compensation claims relating to vaccines in the last 30 years, a quarter had been made by those badly affected by the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, they say.
    The triple jab was banned in Japan in 1993 after 1.8 million children had been given two types of MMR and a record number developed non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions.
    Official figures show there were three deaths while eight children were left with permanent handicaps ranging from damaged hearing and blindness.The government reconsidered using MMR in 1999 but decided it was safer to keep the ban and continue using individual vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella.

    The British Department of Health said Japan had used a type of MMR which included a strain of mumps vaccine that had particular problems and was discontinued in the UK because of safety concerns.

    The Japanese government realised there was a problem with MMR soon after its introduction in April 1989 when vaccination was compulsory. Parents who refused had to pay a small fine.

    An analysis of vaccinations over a three-month period showed one in every 900 children was experiencing problems. This was over 2,000 times higher than the expected rate of one child in every 100,000 to 200,000

  • Sophotroph

    Well, no. People will read it and think:

    “Doesn’t he know that all of his claims have been debunked? Also, why did he write three huge posts one after the other? Emotional issues much?”

    That’s if they can manage to read past your pre-teen-level “smart people agree with me” argument tactics without laughing to death.

  • Sophotroph

    You’re still repeating this lie, and you want to call us insane?

    At least you’ll never be a real movement.

  • Sophotroph

    Multi-billion dollar markets are traceable. If somebody is making that much money on vaccines, you should be able to show me who is making that money and verify that it’s coming from vaccines.

    No antivaxxer has ever done this. I’m sure you don’t wonder why.

    The pharma companies don’t like making vaccines because they are not very profitable compared to their other drugs. If you had done any real research, yoy would already know this.

    At the end of the day, screaming what you’d like to be true as if it will make it true just embarasses you. This, and the entire lack of facts on your side, is why your little movement won’t ever be more than the failure it is now.

  • Sophotroph

    Whoop, sorry, didn’t see your post until today. I don’t always get to my email that quickly.

    I do try to flag pretty actively when I’m around, and will continue to do so in the future.

  • Sophotroph

    They didn’t ban “the MMR vaccine”. They stopped vaccinating against measles, mumps, and rubella all at once and started doing them seperately. It was a political decision, not a medical one.

    This is the danger of only ever reading the one news article you can find that seems to support your position and running with it.

    Read from multiple sources. When the sources don’t agree, find out why. If everybody did this, there could be no antivaxxers.

  • nick quinlan

    Yes, the real movement is against worthless, toxic vaccines. Vaccine refusal has quadrupled, and continues to snowball, because people have awakened to the criminal fraud of the vaccine program. Industry response? Pure desperation, like this ridiculous article. Vaccine pushers are the REAL terrorists. Mandatory injections, with no informed consent, are a violation of the Nuremburg Code, The Bill of Rights, and the Constitution. The pharmaceutical industry pushing mandatory vaccines, are now operating as government sponsored organized crime, masquerading as medicine.

  • thank you SOOOO much! I need help moderating my Disqus comments

  • You Re Wrong

    So you’re saying Prevnar is not the top selling product for Pfizer and that Proquad and Gardasil aren’t both top 5 for Merck?

  • Jason Hommel

    Vaxmaniacs are the real terrorists. They wish to mandate vaccines, and violate informed consent, which is the right to simply say “No, thank you.” The last group of people who did that were Nazis, and they were hung at the Nuremberg trials for violating informed consent, among their crimes against Humanity. Current US law says that people who remove the rights of others, (such as the right to refuse a medical suggestion) and then kill them (and vaccines do indeed kill some people) should get the death penalty. Look up the law right here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241 18 U.S. Code §?241. Conspiracy against rights. That vaccines kill is admitted by the government in many ways. The vaccine compensation program gives people money who lost loved ones to vaccines. The VAERS adverse event reporting database, which sufferers from only 1% of vaccine injuries reported to it, lists thousands of deaths after vaccinations. Hundreds of parents testify as to the death of their babies after vaccination. And lastly, and most importantly, the USA gives the most vaccines and has the highest infant death rate in the modern world, suggesting 1/250 babies are dying from vaccines. And how many people have died from measles from the modern anti vax movement? Exactly zero. How many have died from Polio from the modern anti vax movement? Exactly zero. The death toll is on the side of the pro vaxxers. Your rebuttal now?

  • Joe_Buddha

    Not sure if I would call them terrorists. However, marching on Olympia to affirm their right to put other people’s kids in danger of maiming or death, makes it hard for me to really disagree.

  • Joe_Buddha
  • Melissa Labella

    I still just can not get past the complete foolish ignorance that people continue to spout out about anti-vaxxers. How about we all be adults and realize all people need their own medical regimen and some people are immune- compromised or allergic and they pump every single NEW BORN BABY with a vaccine the day they are born. So justify the HEP B shot at birth to me please, who is being harmed by the child not receiving that vaccine NO ONE. There obviously no safe vaccines they have been legal deemed unavoidably dangerous by the supreme court however some seem to have been effective. The problem is as parents we have the right to know the risks and benefits before pumping our babies with anything, THEY ARE NOT EVEN ABLE TO DRINK WATER AT 4 MONTHS BUT THEY WILL ALL NO MATTER HEALTH SIZE ALLERGY SENSITIVITY ETC. HAVE HAD 2 ROUND OF VACCINES BY THEN.
    Still we as parents must not dare to suggest we hold of on the unnecessary vaccines at least until we know if our CHILD can handle them.
    Another key factor here I gain or loose nothing by expressing my concern, my children are grown but someone has to speak up for these kids who are allergic or compromised why don’t we care about them too. The pharmaceutical companies and CDC have trillions of dollars to make or loose what do you think they choose, money talks but our kids can not any more, that is a problem.
    It is each parents responsibility to care for their child and that child’s health care safety ect. so if my child or my elderly mother was at risk and could not be vaccinated witch is strange beings the vaccines are safe and effective for every other baby born IN THE FUCKING WORLD WITHOUT A NAME A DIAGNOSIS A CLUE ABOUT THEIR REACTION, then I would do my best to prevent the exposure of their weekend immune system. Most of the reported measles cases were fully vaccinated by the way.

  • Acleron

    How about we all be adults

    every other baby born IN THE FUCKING WORLD WITHOUT A NAME A DIAGNOSIS A CLUE ABOUT THEIR REACTION

    Yeah.

  • linda cameron

    WHY is it that pro-vaxxers ALWAYS ALWAYS throw mud? Always insult never inform! The threat to our children is lack of information, lack of caring about WHO funded the study, WHO was paid to publish it. The endless cycle of lies, untruths and distortions about vaccination is not debate you are correct. It is a fact that not one of the common childhood vaccines has had any studies which conform to the NORMAL scientific gold standard all other pharmaceuticals have to confirm to i.e. – i.e. RCT, double blind, placebo controlled trials. This is YOUR ignorance. Sure I hear the yell don’t do that as unethical….I have an idea…why not have a control group of unvaccinated children? Why not I wonder indeed? Stop shouting and start learning.

  • HematitePersuasion

    Having a group of unvaccinated children and exposing them to potentially lethal diseases is unethical. We are currently seeing exactly this experiment play out in communities with vaccination rates insufficient to provide the firebreak benefits of herd immunity. And there have been deaths.

    To the extent that children dead and crippled from preventable disease indicates you — in the sense of the anti-vaccination movement — have won:Congratulations.

  • linda cameron

    Unethical! You misunderstand my logical suggestion. MANY decide not to vaccinate. THOSE are the controls for goodness sake. They have already made THEIR decision not to be blighted ir killed by vaccine strain disease. There are numerous communities who do not vaccinate but anyone jumping up to ask if their health could be tracked over time?? NO why is that do you think?
    These potentially lethal diseases mentioned here were almost EXTINCT before childhood vaccines began. This author negates to give all or hardly any facts. She omits the obvious. Eg look at at graph of childhood diseases from 1900 to BEFORE mealses vaccine in 1963. It is OBVIOUS that education about hygiene, proper running water, sanitation, the British NHS initiatives, basic hand washing, using a tissue to sneeze and not sleeping 6 in a bed did the job of controlling disease. BASIC STUFF not vaccines. The vaccinated are spreading new more virulent disease. Verified information. Shall I give you the link to the Disneyland outbreak statistics on who were vaccinated and who was not?

    Before childhood vaccines descended on children everyone got measles and 99.9% survived gaining LIFELONG immunity which mothers passed in utero, during breastfeeding and during critical first year of life. Vaccinations are now denying our children this precious maternal immunity from the wild diseases. Pro-vaxxers prefer their children become dependant on artificial vaccines which damage and KILL many. Ever heard of VAERS? Go check how many deaths from Meases in USA between 2003 and 2015? 2 deaths YES 2. How many VACCINE related deaths in same period? 127.

    It is clear to me who the terrorists are here. The author of this article has lied or distorted most, if not all, of her article. Had I the time (which she clearly has) to publish all the statistics which she is lying about would this make any difference to her followers here already indoctrinated to her lies? Doubt it.

    You clearly do not care about vaccine deaths or injuries only slamming down your will and views on our children. Belittling others. Scaremongering. Spreading lies. You care only about being soldiers for pharma and regurgitating their mantras and “supporting” their fraudulent claims. Andrew Wakefield was witchhunt. He could not afford to defend himself through Pharma and Murdoch led thugs. Deer was the hunter and puppet. The case set out to warn off any other doctors who dare speak out against vaccines. The other doctor involved could afford defense. He was cleared but the GMC were not! The UK High court quashed this case and I quote the Judge: “The GMC panel failed to address whether Prof Walker-Smith had been doing research or simply investigating symptoms to help treat children. There had been “inadequate and superficial reasoning and, in a number of instances, a wrong conclusion”, he said.
    The GMC said reforms to disciplinary hearings were “being considered”. What a joke. Reforms are an understatement. Empty some pockets is what’s needed and open research to independent scientists not pharma backed or paid ones. It sickens me how so many people do not look under the hood, do not find out who runs the studies and who they are affiliated to. Shocking acceptanace of shoddy research quotes. Bite size info in a bite size world.

  • You mean like Brian Hooker tried to do, Linda? He not only had an open court case (he filed in 2002 to seek compensation for a ‘vaccine injury’ and the case was dismissed in 2016 for lack of evidence) when he failed at his attempt to link the MMR vaccination to autism (subsequently disproving Andrew Wakefield’s assertion. It was magnificient!), he failed to mention that an anti-vax organization that funded one of his studies had him as a board member. If you are going to “do your research”, I would suggest that you don’t cherry pick what you want to research, but rather follow the money on your side, as well.
    WithoutACrystalBall, I think terrorist is a completely apt and fitting term to use for these people. The above commenter needs to follow her own advice. Linda, would you volunteer your child for that double blind, placebo study? If your answer is no, I would say to you that you need to stop using that ridiculous argument.
    You’re welcome.

  • Martin Penwald

    Go check how many deaths from Meases in USA between 2003 and 2015? 2 deaths YES 2. How many VACCINE related deaths in same period? 127.

    That’s a pretty dishonesty statement, don’t you think? Vaccines do not only preventable measles, but lot of other diseases. IF you were honest, you’ll include deaths for ALL diseases prevented by vaccines. I know, it’s a big ‘if’.

  • Martin Penwald

    Go check how many deaths from Meases in USA between 2003 and 2015? 2 deaths YES 2. How many VACCINE related deaths in same period? 127.

    How many deaths before introduction of the vaccine in the 60’s? 400 to 500 EACH YEAR. That would make between 4800 and 6000 for twelve years, and only from measles. CDC numbers, which fits right into your own claim, in fact. They say that 99,8% survived measles, which give us this 400 to 500 numbers.
    Now, thanks to vaccines, 99,9999% survive measles AND gain lifelong immunity.

  • Martin Penwald

    Just considering the MMR vaccine, which very probably is not responsible for all of these 127 death :
    The last rubella outbreak killed over 2000 people in 1964-1965 in the U.S.A. So even only one outbreak between 2003 and 2015 would have killed more on average for 12 years than vaccines for the whole period. Thanks to vaccines, it didn’t happen. And i’m not even talking of Congénital Rubella Syndrom, which impairs children for life (20000 for the last outbreak).

  • Martin Penwald

    By the way, I forgot polio. Over 1000 deaths each year before introduction of the vaccine.
    So, plagues enthousiasts like yourself would be fine with over 2000 deaths (polio, Rubella, measles) per year caused by preventable diseases (plus dozen of thousand of crippled and impaired victims) over 10 deaths per year due to vaccines?

    The qualification of terrorists seems fitting from this point of view.

  • linda cameron

    Nutters can say some real intelligent things huh? Which part of her sentence do you not understand? I have natural immunity to Measles as I DID NOT GET VACCINATED. I do not have to depend on some artificial agent INJECTED (not INGESTED) into my body as I received immunity breathing in the disease and fighting the disease – there IS a difference so the nutter is correct. Vaccine do NOT provide lifelong immunity – thats the privilege of nature, not pharma. Time to melt Mr Snowman.

  • linda cameron

    Have you read the community guidelines? My you have magical language but it contravenes the guidelines.

  • linda cameron

    Quote this “irrefutable evidence”. It can never stand up to scrutiny. There is not one study that has proven vaccines are safe. Not one proper scientific study.

  • linda cameron

    You miss the point. Please try to step away from analysing a snapshot and look at the whole picture. Look at 1900, 1901, 1902, 1903 and so on… down to Measles vaccine introduction. It is very very clear the graph trend is downward LONG before vaccines came on the scene. Look at the steady decline as child labour reduced, sanitation improved..health education began ..I am sure you know history and can joint those dots. Measles does NOT provide lifelong immunity I am sure you are very aware of that or would you like me to quote from CDC, BMJ, NIH, Cochrane etc etc?
    No comment on the 127 totally unnecessary, totally preventable measles vaccine deaths?

  • linda cameron

    “Very probably not responsible for all the 127 deaths?”. The VAERS database contradicts your comment.

  • linda cameron

    Dishonest? I beg to differ. I have accurately and honestly stated the number of Measles deaths between those dates. I did not suggest I was talking about any other diseases. I won’t respond to your antagonistic comment.

  • frostysnowman

    I’m so happy to hear that your are immune to measles from having contracted it by breathing air that was full of the virus. I myself am vaccinated. That woman isn’t wrong to say she has natural immunity because she had measles, and that’s not what my comment implied. Measles can have lasting negative effects on people who contract it and in rare cases they can (and have) be fatal. What’s nutty is being sad that your own children “can’t” get natural immunity because they were vaccinated instead and then adding that measels cure cancer.

  • linda cameron

    ok… but you allowed the CDC graph of Pertussis cases which showed only a cherry picked snapshot claiming the vaccine caused the reduction. The full CDC graph shows 265,269 cases of pertussis in 1934 and a clearly declining pattern long before the vaccine . May I ask why you allowed this outside source on this occasion?

  • linda cameron

    I am also sad that children are being denied natural immunity when vaccinated. The sadness is that nature provides almost always lifelong immunity and no injection or booster necessary, no dependence on anyone or any industry as the body does the job for free. Contact with others with the disease was the natural booster. This cycle has been broken by vaccination. That is the sadness. Remember vaccination against childhood diseases did not cause the massive declines last century. Look at historical graphs from 1900 downward to measles vaccine and you will see no vaccine involved in the declines.
    It is also very sad that once all the unvaccinated generation die off what will happen? No circulating wild virus left. Will it be a booster every year/every month? What will happen no one knows but we do know for sure that measles vaccination does not confer lifelong immunity – otherwise why are there boosters? I agree that Measles can have lasting negative effects and can be fatal. The problem is the vaccine is more damaging and causes more deaths than the disease. In the USA for instance far more are killed from measles vaccine than from the disease itself. 2 measles deaths 2003-15 and 127 measles vaccine deaths same period. (ref VAERS database).

    It’s a devastating process as this generation of children are losing something so precious. We could stop this happening by re-assesing which vaccines are really even necessary and making sure, insisting, that more robust scientific studies comparing the health of the already vaccinated with those not vaccinated. For instance comparing you with me. This would be relatively easy but no one has done it. Always some excuse.

  • linda cameron

    The UK case you refer to where one could afford defence (Walker-Smith) and one (Wakefield) could not. Sorry to be a spoilsport here but your magnificence is short lived. The British High Court quashed the case against Walker-Smith who worked with Wakefield. The High court Judge, Mr Justice Mitten, called for changes in the way General Medical Council fitness to practise panel hearings are conducted in the future saying: “It would be a misfortune if this were to happen again”.

    Won’t even grace your Dr. Brian Hooker comments with any detailed response. Suffice to say a recording is a recording .
    Furthermore, you have perhaps not noticed but the re-analysis study you refer to was republished in the Winter 2018 Edition of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. Using the CDC’s OWN study protocol the data when correctly analysed showed a strong statistically significant relationship between the timing of the first MMR vaccination and autism especially in African American males, which I am sure you will recall was exactly what the cover up was about.
    The re-analysis also questions the original DeStephano 04 paper which dismissed said connection.

    Regarding the double blind, placebo study. I am making the point that this has never been done so the recommended safety studies are non existent and what’s there is wholly inadequate. Other methods require investigation but no one actually does that. For instance the health of the unvaccinated could be properly and methodically tracked against whose who did vaccinate.

  • james___b

    Never mind that I didn’t say here that vaccinations are safe. My comment was referring to their effectiveness. You’re demanding me to prove something I didn’t even claim. Typical conspiracy theorist who can’t follow a simple conversation.

  • Martin Penwald

    Learn to read. You claim that vaccines cause 127 deaths. I wrote that MMR vaccines was not responsible for these 127 deaths, implying other vaccines where responsible for these deaths too.

  • Martin Penwald

    And no comment on the 24000+ totally unnecessary, totally preventable diseases deaths for the same considered period if vaccines hadn’t been available?

  • Martin Penwald

    HOLY FUCKING Plague enthousiast!
    Obviously there was only 2 related deaths due to measles, it’s because people are vaccinated, dumbass! When there is no vaccination, yearly death rate is between 400 and 500.
    And no, hygiène and better life conditions are not enough to account for these low rate of death. Yes, they contributed, but vaccines were the main reason the contamination rate, and hence the mortality rate, dropped.

  • linda cameron

    How dare you swear at me! HAVE YOU READ THE COMMUNITY RULES REGARDING COMMENTS ON HERE? Suppose you think you are above them. Pure utter filth, disgraceful language but to be expected from pro-vaxxers. I was wrong to grace this site with my time, rather beneath me ducky. Best to leave this snake pit. Good riddence sucker.

  • Martin Penwald

    Oohhh, Mâdaaam is shocked by a few swear words? WE are shocked by the disregard for human life Plague enthousiasts have.

  • james___b

    You were so confident and now you’re nowhere to be found.

  • HematitePersuasion

    The only person scaremongering is the person with the wall of text, grossly abusing the caps-lock key. The few actual facts you cite are false. You either don’ understand the ethical ramifications of experiments carried out on adults and children and the ethics board reviews that are mandatory to conduct such experiments — or you don’t care.

  • Raging Bee

    “WHY is it that pro-vaxxers ALWAYS ALWAYS throw mud?” say the people accusing their opponents of engaging in a huge nefarious conspiracy to poison children for Big Pharma’s benefit.

  • Raging Bee

    The sadness is that nature provides almost always lifelong immunity…

    It’s easy to say simpleminded childish shit like that when you’re young and lucky enough to have a body and metabolism that works better than most. Those of us who aren’t that lucky, or who have kids who aren’t that lucky, understand how ignorant, lazy, self-righteous and uncaring people like you really are.

  • Acleron

    The gold standard of clinical trials is not placebo controls when an existing treatment is in use, it is against the existing treatment.

    The truth about vaccines is found in the copious published scientific literature, not the websites where you have obtained your misconceptions.

  • Karin Stiles Roach

    The minute you mentioned Wakefield I knew you’d done zero research. He was exonerated honey and if you’d have read the study, which by the way wasn’t a study but a paper you’d have seen the none of what you are saying is remotely true. Must be nice to be able to write whatever you want with no facts. And you may want to look up the word terrorist. Mandating biologicals without informed consent is actually against the Nuremberg Code. I suppose you’d like to go back to Nazi Germany.

  • Karin Stiles Roach

    They don’t make money, are you serious. They reimburse doctors about $400 per child for a fully vaccinated person. And you a taxpayer has paid out over 4 billion dollars in reparations for vaccine injury, which according to Harvard Cambridge is under reported by 99% Yup. Merck is doing all this for the great good… right.

  • ses1978

    I have been terrorized by one in a whole new way. Rather than harass me or bully me, she blocked me and banned me from all of the following groups and pages on Facebook that had nothing to do with any of those pages or groups to start with:

    Lularoe Ever After – of which I was a customer as recent as January 2019
    SavEars
    Couponing to Disney

    Her name is Marisa D. The only place I ever encountered her but never engaged with her was on the following post: https://m.facebook.com/TheHill/posts/10156951113939087

    It seems she didn’t like something she saw and that even though I NEVER engaged with her directly, she retaliated by having me removed from EVERY group that she neither personally owns. NONE of which have any relationship whatsoever to that post.

    It seems not only unethical but possibly also illegal. Yet here I am. A victim of the antivax terrorism. And in more than one way. As a rubella baby with immune deficiency, antivaxxers are the biggest threat to my safety and health as they keep bringing back these once fatal and disabling diseases that we can now prevent.

    But seriously, does anyone know what any of the laws are pertaining to this kind of behavior that I have become a victim of?

  • Sophotroph

    Top selling =/= top profits.

    Try again, this time with metrics that matter. You won’t, because it’ll point you away from the conclusion you like.