Ridiculous Things Anti-Vaxxers Say on Social Media

Ridiculous Things Anti-Vaxxers Say on Social Media February 17, 2019

Last week I wrote an article outlining why anti-vaxxers are terrorists. The piece received overwhelmingly positive reviews from people around the world. However, I have also received an obscene amount of messages from anti-vaxxers proclaiming their disdain for the article and their hatred for me. To drive home my point that these people act to intimidate, ridicule, and spread-fear I am sharing actual messages sent to me by anti-vaxxers.

Despite their attempts to get the article pulled, my editor found my opinion piece supported with concrete facts. While some believe that calling anti-vaxxers terrorists is over the top, I stand by my work.

In response to my piece, anti-vaxxers began flooding all of my social media platforms. Some of the comments make no sense. Other comments attempt to disparage my parenting, appearance, and mock my son.

I have been open with my readers that I parent a child that is both medically fragile and autistic. My son contracted whooping cough as an infant because he was too fragile to receive the immunizations. We rely heavily on everyone to do their part by vaccinating to keep him safe.

By taking low blows, their responses further support these people work in an organized effort to terrorize, intimidate, and bully anyone that doesn’t believe their conspiracy theories.

Here is a small sample of what I received this week:

Attacking My Parenting and Son: 

Some Guy Who Has a “Truth” Radio Show had Some Opinions

He Continues:

Naturally, I’m a Paid Big Pharma Shill – Standard Anti-Vax Rhetoric:

Conspiracies Galore:

 

 

Read the Inserts:

These Hashtags are Telling:

 

When in doubt Insult the Writer’s appearance:

Or Just Have a Temper Tantrum:

 

 

In response, I got a hair cut and sent a shout out to my fans:

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  • David Rice

    Facts the pro-death cult hates:

    Please produce evidence that links vaccines to autism. Do that now. Be the first person on the planet to do so.

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    The CDC estimates that, among children born in the last 20 years, vaccinations will prevent more than 21 million hospitalizations and 732,000 deaths.

    These costs, both direct and indirect, are so impressive that it’s considered financially irresponsible to limit access to routine immunizations based on family income or insurance status. In 1994, the U.S. government began a program called Vaccines for Children, which provides vaccines to children who would otherwise not be able to afford them. This program is estimated not only to have saved countless children from illness and death, but also to have saved nearly $259 billion in direct costs and $1.38 trillion in total societal costs.Think about that: $1.38 trillion saved by vaccines.

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/133/4/577.long

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    Vaccines are not associated with autism: an evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies. Taylor LE, et al. Vaccine. 2014. Show full citation Abstract There has been enormous debate regarding the possibility of a link between childhood vaccinations and the subsequent development of autism. This has in recent times become a major public health issue with vaccine preventable diseases increasing in the community due to the fear of a ‘link’ between vaccinations and autism. We performed a meta-analysis to summarise available evidence from case-control and cohort studies on this topic (MEDLINE, PubMed, EMBASE, Google Scholar up to April, 2014). Eligible studies assessed the relationship between vaccine administration and the subsequent development of autism or autism spectrum disorders (ASD). Two reviewers extracted data on study characteristics, methods, and outcomes. Disagreement was resolved by consensus with another author. Five cohort studies involving 1,256,407 children, and five case-control studies involving 9,920 children were included in this analysis. The cohort data revealed no relationship between vaccination and autism (OR: 0.99; 95% CI: 0.92 to 1.06) or ASD (OR: 0.91; 95% CI: 0.68 to 1.20), nor was there a relationship between autism and MMR (OR: 0.84; 95% CI: 0.70 to 1.01), or thimerosal (OR: 1.00; 95% CI: 0.77 to 1.31), or mercury (Hg) (OR: 1.00; 95% CI: 0.93 to 1.07). Similarly the case-control data found no evidence for increased risk of developing autism or ASD following MMR, Hg, or thimerosal exposure when grouped by condition (OR: 0.90, 95% CI: 0.83 to 0.98; p=0.02) or grouped by exposure type (OR: 0.85, 95% CI: 0.76 to 0.95; p=0.01). Findings of this meta-analysis suggest that vaccinations are not associated with the development of autism or autism spectrum disorder. Furthermore, the components of the vaccines (thimerosal or mercury) or multiple vaccines (MMR) are not associated with the development of autism or autism spectrum disorder.

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    “Since 1988 there have been fewer than 6,000 total serious adverse effects with causal evidence proven to have been directly related to ALL vaccinations (144 per year average). To put that into perspective, from 2006 ~ 2013 there were 1668 proven, causal, adverse effects related to the over 2 BILLION (2,236,678,735) vaccinations administered.

    That is a .000000834% chance of having an serious adverse effect to any vaccination.

    You have better odds of getting killed by lightning, a hippopotamus, or even ants, than getting seriously ill from a vaccination.

    Without being vaccinated, just contracting Measles alone, you have a 30% chance of having a serious reaction to the disease (hospitalization, long term disability or death) including a:

    7% chance of Otitis media
    6% chance of Pneumonia
    0.7% chance of Seizures
    0.1% chance of Encephalitis
    0.2% chance of Death

    You are right, you do have a choice: 0.000000834% (risk of harm vaccinating) vs 30% (risk of harm with no vaccination).”

    Source: US Health and Human Services Health Resources and Services Administrator (HRSA), and CDC: Vaccinations and Immunizations

  • WallofSleep

    “They intentionally infected people with syphilis. That was their experiment”.

    The Tuskegee experiment? No, no, no, just no.

    People have been getting that one so wrong, for so long, that it has become an urban legend. However the reality of what happened is equally as heinous as the urban legend. The victims of the Tuskegee experiment were not intentionally infected with syphilis, they already had it. Instead, they were told that if they took part in the study they would be treated for the syphilis they already had, but were instead given placebos so that the researchers could study the progression of the disease.

  • Illithid

    Judging by the quality of your opposition, you’re doing it right.
    Don’t let them wear you down.

  • Mary Louise

    Please watch Dr Toni Bark, MD Speaking to the Washington State Legislature – You might learn something . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viqb0Q6xIuU

  • John-Hugh Boyd

    Love the smile, Sweetie!

  • Geoff Benson

    Toni Bark is a quack when it comes to vaccine science.

  • Mary Louise

    Except she has science on her side…

  • Martin Penwald

    What does she say? “Do not remove vaccine exemption.”
    Indeed, some kids WILL die if exposed to vaccines, so medical exemptions for vaccination is absolutely necessary. But religious and personal exemptions are ridiculous idiocies.

  • Martin Penwald

    Show us. And Wakefield’s studies aren’t valid.

  • Martin Penwald

    I wouldn’t say they are terrorists. But their activists should be charged with crimes against Humanity.

  • Mary Louise

    You are so behind… Read the 88 page letter to HHS – it can all be found here – https://icandecide.org/governments/

  • Martin Penwald

    Blah, blah, blah.

    So, let’s even admit the ridiculous claim that vaccines can, in VERY FEW cases, cause autism : there are, even in comment sections of diverse non-religious Patheos blogs, people on the autism spectrum who are fully functional in society. They often had help, but they live interesting lifes.

    If you think these people are worse than living in an iron lung, you’re an asshole.
    Because that’s the whole point of anti-vaxxers’ arguments : “it’s annoying for us parents to take care of children on the autism spectrum, better leaving them in an hospital ward dying of preventable diseases.”

  • Martin Penwald

    Oh, and by the way, I won’t read 88 pages of quackery. If you can’t point to real studies on direct links, it proves you have nothing, so go to hell. And try to not bring with you innocent bystanders that can’t be vaccinated.

  • Mary Louise

    It is 88 pages referring to CDC studies – 3000 of them… Anyway – that is why you are behind… You could watch this – it is alo based on CDC and HHS studies – Vaccine Safety Project https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt-CZN48rR8

  • Mary Louise

    It involves way more than autism… SIDS, asthma, allergies and paralysis… YEs- people have been paralyzed from vaccines, too. You need to read more… This boy Colton ended up in a modern day “iron lung” after his HPV vaccine – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHYmb9Hwj4A

  • Talos2264

    I’m not pro-pharma. I’m just anti-childhood diseases which is why support vaccinating children.

  • WallofSleep

    I think you’d actually have to be employed in the pharmaceutical industry in some way in order to be “pro-pharma”, otherwise it’s just sort of there; a neutral thing. At least until some patent-shopping asshole buys the rights to a life-saving drug and jacks up the price by more than 5,000%.

  • Martin Penwald

    How many cases? That’s why you’re an idiot : yes, sometimes bad reaction happens, and it’s unfortunate. You won’t find ANY studies pretending the contrary. Do you know that it has already happen that people have died from blood draw? Litterally EVERYTHING can lead to death.
    People have chocked on food and died. FORBID FOOD!

    People have slipped on ice and died. FORBID ICE!
    People have died of colonoscopies. FORBID COLONOSCOPIES!

  • Martin Penwald

    3000 studies, and yet not a single link. I don’t watch videos because I don’t waste my limited data allowance for bullshit, and I won’t read your 88 lies filled pages. Do you realized you haven’t pointed even ONE CDC study that validate your point? If there are 3000 of them in these 88 pages, why aren’t you unable to provide even one relevant link?

    Funny enough, your comment history is almost exclusively about vaccines’ evils, which tells us you’re a fraud.

  • Joe_Buddha

    Anecdote does not equal data. I’d rather save hundreds of millions of kids from these potentially deadly diseases even if a few hundred have bad reactions to the vaccine. You’re lucky I’m not in charge. I’d make it illegal to NOT be vaccinated without a medical reason.

  • WallofSleep

    Well Katie, keep kicking ass and eff the haters. As the old saying goes, if you’re catching flak then you must be over target.

  • (((J_Enigma32)))

    It must be nice to be as White and middle class as some of those people posting that shit. Who are wealthy enough to afford healthcare when the rest of the world can’t? Boy, that must be awful nice.

  • I’d redefine anti-vaxx advocacy as a terrorist act, and hosting things like “measles parties” punishable by life in prison.

  • Conuly

    Yeah, that sure looks reputable. Uh-huh.

  • Conuly

    Deaths from all those things is a lot lower than deaths from preventable diseases are in places where vaccination against them is hard to get.

  • Conuly

    Indeed, there’s no reason to make it out to be even more heinous than it is. The reality is bad enough!

  • Raging Bee

    So how does that justify the hateful and downright moronic responses the author got from others who agree with you on vaccines?

  • Geoff Benson

    Is there a response to this letter?

  • Xzigalia

    Measles are red
    Whooping cough, blue
    Your child’s low intelligence
    Just comes from you.

  • Kit Hadley-Day

    Idiots are going to idiot,

    Anti vaxxers attempt to effect public policy and sway individuals by use of threats, lies and intimidation, that is a terrorist. Given these are the tactics they use, it is clear that facts and logic are not on their side.

    The fact they hide behind sick children, who need love and support not being used as body shields for regressive stupidity, makes them despicable

  • Kit Hadley-Day

    i agree, i am not pro pharma so much as anti disease

  • Kit Hadley-Day

    The question is not ‘are people hurt by vaccines’, the question is ‘do people suffer more and worse from the disease or the vaccine’. All medical interventions have the potential for side effects however i assume you are not about to propose banning aspirin because some people die after taking it.

  • Kit Hadley-Day

    odd that this style of inhumanity is exactly what a lot of anti vaxxers claim is the evidence that they want. Deny people a known safe and effective intervention, but don’t tell them, in the interests of science. it’s as if morality where a foreign concept to them

  • Sophotroph

    Blogger calls terrorists terrorists, terrorist respond with outrage, terror campaign.

    More on this completely unexpected development as it… develops.

  • Sophotroph

    How many of those studies have you read to confirm that they support the letter’s conclusions?

    I can save you some time. None of them do. It’s a pretty classic trick to generate fake credibility, and you fell for it.

  • YEP! I have been terrorized. But they aren’t terrorists

  • Sophotroph

    They certainly are. Their aim is not just to change public opinion, but to do so by utilizing fear tactics.

    You don’t have to detonate a bomb vest on a bus to be a terrorist. Your goal only needs to be to cause widespread fear.

    Causing terror, on purpose, for political or other gain, is terrorism. It’s not quite the UN definition, but I’ve never reached for a United Nations Dictionary to settle word disputes, tbh.

  • (((J_Enigma32)))

    The real irony is how much money Big Alt Med makes. As a completely unregulated industry, Big Alt Med is a billion dollar business.

    Anyone who accuses “Big Pharm” of just being in it for the money is a clueless fucking moron. “Being in it for the money” is how capitalism works. These alt-med companies don’t deserve anymore trust than “Big Pharm” does — hell they deserve less, because they’re unregulated.

  • WallofSleep

    Not only that, but “Big Pharma” would make way more money treating diseases rather than preventing them. The “Big Pharma” ‘argument’ fails at logic and reason at all levels.

    As for Big Alt-Med, you can thank them for things like driving the Goldenseal plant to near extinction.

  • Mary Louise

    The complete interaction can be viewed at the link…

  • Mary Louise

    I’ve seen the hateful and moronic comments go both ways. So, instead I look at the science.

  • Mary Louise

    Even HHS says that vaccine injuries reported to VAERS are only about 1% of the actual injuries that occur.

  • Mary Louise

    Why be so dogmatic and close-minded? A scientific mind will investigate.

  • Mary Louise

    According to HHS – real vaccine injuries are vastly under reported to the tune of only 1%… So we have a different sort of epidemic on our hands. Ask any special ed teacher who has been at it for decades…

  • Geoff Benson

    Do you look at the consensus of scientific opinion or at a version of science that is regarded as a minority position?

  • Mary Louise

    You are ridiculous – I happen to care about vaccine injury…So I read those articles when they come up.. . And don’t be such a big baby and expect me to study for you. If you cared about children, you would read it.

  • Mary Louise

    HHS says that vaccine injuries are vastly under reported – to the tune of 1%. Colonoscopies are not mandated 72 times in childhood. Colonoscopies are not given on day 1 of life… People can take precautions with ice – so some freedom of choice is still operational. No one says “correlation does not equal causation when the person is injured after a fall on the ice – but it happens even if a baby DIES on the same days as vaccines.

  • Mary Louise

    Except that most states are not up to date on science in their medical exemptions. … The criteria is if a child already had an injury – or is on chemo etc. Zero interest in prevention. In the 60’s a test was developed for PKU to find the one baby in 15,000 who would react to one amino acid and gradually become mentally retarded because of it. We test every single baby to find that one in 15,000. We need to do the same for vaccine injury… Without that test, we need to keep personal exemptions in place. Too many kids are getting hurt.

  • Mary Louise

    She knows way more than you… She worked in the field and saw vaccine injury first hand. That is what started her journey of investigation.

  • Mary Louise

    They all do – all 3000

  • Geoff Benson

    Many people know more than I do about many things, so I rely on peer opinion. Peer opinion of this woman is pretty poor from what I can see, but if you can show me a reputable vaccine professional saying differently then I’ll re-think my position.

  • Mary Louise

    Vaccines are legally classified as “unavoidably unsafe” – and the HHS says that VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System is vastly under utilized to the tune of only reporting 1 % of vaccine injuries. Many doctors and nurses haven’t even heard of VAERS. From what I have seen, I would says that people are suffering more from the vaccines in this country. Just look at the number of deaths from measles vs the deaths from MMR even in VAERS – which only reports 1%. In sheer numbers vaccines are creating more deaths and paralysis.

  • Mary Louise

    There are many doctors who question that “consensus”

  • Geoff Benson

    Unfortunately until you are part of the ‘consensus’ then you are part of the problem. Consensus is consensus for a reason.

  • Mary Louise

    Plenty of scientists developed new ways of thinking – even such as washing of hands.. and the “consensus” laughed them out of the room… So – I look at science – not lockstep dogma.

  • Mary Louise

    There are plenty out there… And she is reputable. The only reason “peer opinion” is low among some regarding Toni Bark is that she dares to question and investigate the sacred cow of vaccines.

  • Mary Louise

    Both… and the so-called minority tends to be better science…

  • Mary Louise

    They all do

  • Geoff Benson

    Not at all. Scientists didn’t form a consensus rejecting hand washing, it was religion that did that. Like many great ideas science quickly gets behind them if they make sense. Indeed, scientists aspire to be wrong, or rather to show that long held theories are wrong. The legitimate scientist who can prove the anti-vax case would be hailed overnight. Instead we have the corrupt Wakefield.

  • Geoff Benson

    You know this how?

  • Geoff Benson

    If peer opinion of her is low then that suggests she is not doing proper science.

  • Raging Bee

    Ah yes, both-sides-ism to the rescue…

  • Mary Louise

    Look up Ignaz Semmelweis regarding the handwashing.
    There are other scientists who have found some of the biological pathways that create vaccine injury and deaths.Seems to fall on deaf ears… or worse…

  • Mary Louise

    Sheesh… How do you defend the same then – from provaxxers to the “ex-vaxxers”

  • Mary Louise

    From reading it…

  • Mary Louise

    And the Pharma lobby is huge

  • Mary Louise

    No one mandates alternative medicine.

  • Mary Louise

    No one is saying to deny people vaccines.. Just don’t impose them in a totalitarian manner. Most so-called “anti-vaxxers” were provax until their kids had severe injuries from vaccines. Otherwise – they would have stuck with the program, unaware.

  • You think so….

  • Mary Louise

    Meaning??? I am unaware of mandates for alternative medicine – please inform me.

  • There is no such thing as “vaccine injury”.

  • Mary Louise

    And there are plenty of people in their 30’s wearing diapers… I think it is all preventable. I would like science to keep up and find a way to have healthy kids – no iron lungs and no devastating neurological injury. We can do better. Look up Dr. Paul Thomas – he found a way.

  • You are delusional if you don’t believe that naturopaths, chiropractors and supplement companies don’t lobby

  • Mary Louise

    In this country – our numbers are better – we have clean water, good nutrition and more.. – so we need to take a closer and more accurate look at devastating vaccine injury. Because vaccine injury is real and under-reported.

  • There is no such thing as “vaccine injury”.

  • Mary Louise

    Please consult a dictionary. I said no one MANDATES alternative medicine. Vaccines are mandated… People may lobby for anything. Pharma is the biggest lobby of all – Much bigger than big oil. And Pharma accounts for over 70% of media advertising… The USA and Australia are the only two nations who allow pharmaceutical ads on TV. Most TV commentators will lose their jobs if they dare to speak a word about possible vaccine injury. Look it up…

  • Hang on, I’m making popcorn.

  • Mary Louise

    Then why does HHS have the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) set up for vaccine injuries? They have paid out over $4 billion in damages – and it is NOT an easy system to go through. And HHS says only about 1% of injuries get reported to VAERS. So… going by their own numbers – maybe they should have paid out $400 Billion by now….. a billion here and a billion there and pretty soon you are talking about real money.

  • To keep idiots from clogging up the courts with frivolous lawsuits.

  • WallofSleep

    I bet the reception desk is bigger than my apartment.

  • WallofSleep
  • Martin Penwald

    [citation required]

  • Martin Penwald

    Investigations have been repeteadly done and showed that anti-vaxxers are all bullshitters.

  • Martin Penwald

    What word don’t you understand in the following sentence : “Fuck You!” ?
    Taking care of children imply to vaccinate them UNLESS there is a medical condition preventing it.

  • Martin Penwald

    We have to keep religious and philosophical exemptions because there is no way to know in advance if a child will react badly to a vaccine ?
    That’s a level of stupid one doesn’t see every day…

  • Mary Louise

    How is that stupid? It allows parents to choose wisely if their child already has allergies or other problems. Do you know that kids with allergies or autoimmunne conditions are taken out of vaccine studies because they might react? But those kids aren’t taken out of vaccine mandates. Leave the exemptions alone.Find the epigenetics of why some kids are much more likely to be injured.

  • Mary Louise

    Nice – haha – after the author tries to make the point that ex-vaxxers are so rude in the comments…. And btw – most medical exemptions kick in after the child is injured… And sometimes only for that one vaccine and not for their siblings…. great way to “take care” of kids. We need some more science on how to prevent vaccine injury.

  • Mary Louise

    Cute – real scientific.

  • Martin Penwald

    Obviously you don’t see it…

  • Lucy

    Only if the prick from the needle counts as an “injury”. And, as it is, the prick from a vaccine needle (especially one used by a competent doctor or nurse) barely makes it to boo-boo status, let alone serious injury status.

  • Mary Louise

    Nor do you see it…But you might if your own child was susceptible… Maybe you would then want a choice with all your heart… I am pro-choice when it comes to vaccines… Something that is ranked by the govt. as unavoidably unsafe needs to leave a way to opt out.

  • Martin Penwald

    You do realize you still haven’t given a single DIRECT link that supports your claims, don’t you?
    I want the direct link to the HHS website page or PDF that says what you pretend.

  • (((J_Enigma32)))

    If vaccines are mandated, why are folks like you allowed to go without? I don’t think you understand what “mandate” means.

    In a perfect world vaccines, the seat-belts and speed limits of public health, would absolutely be mandated, just like seat belts and speed limits are. But they aren’t. Even though they should be.

    Pharma is the biggest lobby of all

    And this means exactly nothing. Unions and environmentalists lobby too — does that make them somehow wrong? Everything has a lobby and you’re a fool if you think otherwise.

    Also, if you think lobbying is inherently wrong, you should look up CAM – Complimentary and Alternative Medicine. What’s more, Dietary and Nutrition Companies gave over $6 million in lobbying money in 2018, and chiropractors gave around $1 million in money to congress in 2018-2019 — and the majority of that went to Republicans in both cases.

    By supporting Alt-Med, you’re supporting big businesses — because let’s not fool ourselves here, that’s exactly what they are: big businesses to the tune of $34 billion dollars a year according to the Smithsonian — who give campaign donations to folks that are three shades of White shy from being literal fucking Nazis. And I hope you’re a global warming denier, otherwise by supporting alt-med, you’re making global warming worse by supporting companies that donate to individuals standing directly in the way of fighting climate change — and for no actual gain, because alt-med is a bunch of fantasy magic horseshit.

    Before you come back and say, “Oh, well, that’s nothing; Big Pharma gave X amount of money” ask yourself this: Exactly what is the cut off point for being an “evil lobbyist” in your world? And why that particular number?

    And as for sources, well, I could do what you did here and say “look it up” but no, I’ll tell you where you can find this information: opensecrets.org. Look up “American Chiropractor’s Association” and “Dietary and Nutrition Supplements.”

    Saying they have a big lobby means fuck all. It’s what they lobby for that matters, and in this case, they typically lobby for the same exact thing that Alt-Med companies lobby for: tax breaks, fewer regulations, and more government spending thrown their way.

  • Exactly. I imagine 99.9999% of the “claims” are along the lines of “My kid’s shoulder ached for a few days — VACCINE INJURY!!!!!eleventy!”

  • Yeah, no. You don’t get to exploit disabled people to prop up your pseudoscientific bullshit.

  • Conuly

    In this country, we have good vaccination rates. That’s the salient difference.

  • Conuly

    I don’t want my mind so open my brains fall right out, tahnks.

  • Geoff Benson

    Oh yes, I’ve come across this guy before. He was ahead of his time, but his time was one where modern scientific methodology wasn’t yet understood. Had it been he would have very rapidly become leader of ‘consensus’ opinion. Nevertheless there is, even today, germ theory denialism. Its supporters would be as vocal as you, think their own ‘evidence’ was indisputable, and yet be shunned by any reasonable person.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_denialism

    Rather like anti-vaxxers.

  • Kit Hadley-Day

    Unavoidably unsafe means that even if manufactured correctly there is an unavoidable risk in use, it is a standard designed to prevent people suing companies that comply with standards even if people still get hurt using their products, would you like to know what other things are unavoidably unsafe, all prescription medicines, guns and safety belts, but i suspect i am not about to see you campaigning against any of those.

    VAERS is a virtually unregulated open system, lawyers encourage people to put in any old thing so that they can claim some things are vaccine injuries, regardless of the truth. Given some one claimed that a vaccine turned them into the hulk and it was accepted i don’t think you can put much store in it.

    You do understand that your comparative deaths argument is just wrong, you are claiming that because the number of measles deaths is low we should stop giving the medication that prevents measles! we know what the fatality rate would be like with out the vaccine as we can look at places where it is not given, not to mention why death the only measure you care about, what about the people left permanently brain damaged by measles, or the fact it weakens the immune system making people more susceptible to subsequent infections, or simple that having measles is a miserably experience. Couple that with the abject lack of actual evidence, for anything outside the known potential problems of vaccinations (mostly being allergic to any of the ingredients) and the benefit / cost decision gets real easy to do.

  • Kit Hadley-Day

    for vaccines to be effective a certain proportion of the population need to be protected, this prevents the potential spread to people who either are not, or cannot be, protected, this is commonly refereed to as herd immunity. If you allow people to decide to opt out then you risk breaking that herd immunity and endangering all the vulnerable people, hence the need for mandatory vaccination in all cases except for where there is a medical reason not to.

    Unless of course you are willing to sacrifice children with cancer on the altar of your right to choose.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    Imagine @Lucy cutting loose on this clown?

  • Anat

    I think all trolls are shills for Big Popcorn.

  • KB

    Ugh I’ve probably had to see bullshit from the Southern Oregon one. Ashland OR is going to be the next big measles outbreak. I’m practically willing to bet on it. It’s so bad my ob/gyn started her conversation with me assuming I’m anti-vaxx, and though her office also places a lot of emphasis on nutrition, she tried to gently suggest how we might be able to do just a few shots, here and there. I stopped her there and told her we are pro-vaxx all the way. No need to cajole

  • That’d be a thing of intensely-verbose beauty.

  • Not only that but it makes no sense in say countries with socialised medicine