{"id":1215,"date":"2013-05-26T14:45:00","date_gmt":"2013-05-26T19:45:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/yimcatholic\/2010\/05\/for-thoughts-like-these-on-trinity-sunday\/"},"modified":"2017-01-24T17:19:24","modified_gmt":"2017-01-24T22:19:24","slug":"for-thoughts-on-the-trinity-by-way-of-chin-circa-1700","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/yimcatholic\/2013\/05\/for-thoughts-on-the-trinity-by-way-of-chin-circa-1700.html","title":{"rendered":"For Thoughts on the Trinity By Way of China, Circa 1700&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/85\/2010\/05\/trinitysundaypainting.jpeg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8752\" title=\"trinitysundaypainting\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/85\/2010\/05\/trinitysundaypainting.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"320\" height=\"198\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2026with a little help from a few other sources.<\/p>\n<p>Today is the Solemnity of the Most Holy Trinity. I have no doubt that my friend <a href=\"http:\/\/yimcatholic.blogspot.com\/2010\/05\/for-art-and-poetry-of-wu-li-sj-1632.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wu Li, SJ<\/a> was exposed to <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Athanasian_Creed\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the Athanasian Creed.<\/a> Why? Because Wu could not have written the orthodox poems below without having believed in the Mystery of the Triune God. Wu wasn\u2019t just parroting something he had heard from his Jesuit catechists either, you see. It is obvious that he pondered this mystery in his heart.<\/p>\n<p>Like all great poets, Wu parsed the words of the creed and reduced them down in a manner that leaves us better able to have faith in the mystery of God in three Persons.\u00a0<!--more--> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-8753 alignright\" title=\"Wu_Li_SJ\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/85\/2010\/05\/Wu_Li_SJ.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"143\" height=\"200\"> I know it helps me anyway. If through the many posts I have shared on Wu I still haven\u2019t yet convinced you that he is <a href=\"http:\/\/yimcatholic.blogspot.com\/2010\/05\/because-immanuel-is-his-name.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a master poet<\/a>, then let me step up to the plate one more time and share\u00a0with you two more poems from his series <em>Singing of the Source and Course of Holy Church. <\/em>Be prepared for a couple of grand-slam home runs.<\/p>\n<p>A quick note before I share the poems with you. The <a href=\"http:\/\/yimcatholic.blogspot.com\/2010\/05\/because-immanuel-is-his-name.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">last time<\/a> I posted verse penned by Wu, I used a stock portrait of a wise-looking, elderly Chinese man.\u00a0Jonathan Chaves, the translator of these beautiful lines, sent me the portrait here noting, \u201cthere appears to be one authentic portrait of Wu Li, anonymous and probably going back to his lifetime.\u201d The image you see here is what Professor Chaves sent me, and is the actual likeness of Wu Li, my favorite Jesuit priest.<\/p>\n<p>One more bit on the difficulty of using metaphor and analogy to explain the reality of the Trinitarian God. Words often fail. St. Patrick gets grilled here for a humorous example.<\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"St. Patrick&#039;s Bad Analogies\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/KQLfgaUoQCw?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<p>And now to Wu\u2019s thoughts on the Trinity,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>In the very highest place, deep within a mansion<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>dwells a family perfectly united, loving and devoted.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Beyond past, beyond present, the three Persons are one;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>penetrating heaven, penetrating earth,<\/em><br>\n<em> the one family is three!<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Those who are known as \u201cdaily improving\u201d<\/em><br>\n<em> to praise the Spirit are worthy;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>the world possesses a wondrous flower<\/em><br>\n<em> fit to protect the holy.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>On painted walls, year after year,<\/em><br>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_-GKMR8mFGBs\/TAHWARCwUcI\/AAAAAAAAAs8\/oci-TQrsY5w\/s1600\/the+Trinity.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" style=\"border: 0px;\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_-GKMR8mFGBs\/TAHWARCwUcI\/AAAAAAAAAs8\/oci-TQrsY5w\/s320\/the+Trinity.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"222\" height=\"320\" border=\"0\"><\/a><em> we contemplate their images:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>pure incense rises in orderly spirals<\/em><br>\n<em> to where their noses inhale.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> * \u00a0* \u00a0*<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cThe Supreme Ultimate contains three*\u201d\u2014<\/em><br>\n<em> muddled words indeed!<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>In fact, they start with primal energy<\/em><br>\n<em> to speak of original chaos.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>From books of the past, we learned of old<\/em><br>\n<em> of sincerity, wisdom, and goodness;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>the mysterious meaning now we understand<\/em><br>\n<em> of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The Persons distinct: close at hand, consider<\/em><br>\n<em> the flame within the mirror;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>the Essence is whole: far off, please note<\/em><br>\n<em> the wheel that graces the sky.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"http:\/\/yimcatholic.blogspot.com\/2010\/12\/because-and-you-shall-name-him.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Holy Name<\/a> has been revealed,<\/em><br>\n<em> His authority conferred;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>throughout the world in this human realm,<\/em><br>\n<em> the sound of the teaching supreme!<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The teaching that God is our Father, and creator of all things. That Jesus is our savior, redeemer, and our brother, unworthy as we are of this honor. And finally that the Holy Spirit brings the mystery of both the Father, and the Son, to life in us, and makes us holy, despite our stumbles.<\/p>\n<p><em>Deo gratias<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>*A note on the second poem:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The first line has quote marks around it, \u201cThe Supreme Ultimate contains three.\u201d This is because those words (the muddled words indeed!) are a quote from a Confucian idea that Wu Li knew from the\u00a0<strong>Monograph on Pitchpipes and Calendrical Affairs <\/strong>which is a\u00a0Han Shu formulation that he was very familiar with. The translator of the poems, Jonathan Chaves says, \u201cIn describing the Han Shu formulation as \u201cmuddled,\u201d Wu Li in his poem intends to distinquish the Christian revelation of God as three distinct persons sharing one essence from the [Confucian] idea of a primal unity self-evolving into the multiplicity of the variegated universe.\u201d So the \u201cmuddled\u201d words for Wu were those of Confucian thought. How\u2019s that for interesting? What I find fascinating about Wu Li is that he steps completely out of the mainstream thought of Chinese culture because he grasped the truth of\u00a0the Way and realized that it was whole, while recognizing that neo-Confucianism was not.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>RELATED:<\/p>\n<p>Ignatius Press shares \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/insightscoop.typepad.com\/2004\/2013\/05\/the-trinity-three-persons-in-one-nature-by-frank-sheed.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Trinity: Three Persons in One Nature<\/a>\u201d by Frank Sheed. It\u2019s well worth your time (H\/T <a href=\"http:\/\/brandonvogt.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Brandon Vogt<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.catholicnewsagency.com\/news\/god-is-love-but-not-in-emotional-sense-pope-says\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Pope Francis\u2019s thoughts on the Holy Trinity<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_-GKMR8mFGBs\/TAHW-ncnwlI\/AAAAAAAAAtE\/vxxhHAIZ8Yw\/s1600\/Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-basic.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_-GKMR8mFGBs\/TAHW-ncnwlI\/AAAAAAAAAtE\/vxxhHAIZ8Yw\/s320\/Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-basic.png\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/6738513599344023043-4699183590429867060?l=yimcatholic.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u2026with a little help from a few other sources. Today is the Solemnity of the Most Holy Trinity. I have no doubt that my friend Wu Li, SJ was exposed to the Athanasian Creed. Why? Because Wu could not have written the orthodox poems below without having believed in the Mystery of the Triune God. 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