{"id":1597,"date":"2009-12-10T18:32:00","date_gmt":"2009-12-10T18:32:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/yimcatholic\/2009\/12\/yimc-book-club-%e2%80%9corthodoxy%e2%80%9d-chapter-4\/"},"modified":"2017-01-24T19:16:18","modified_gmt":"2017-01-25T00:16:18","slug":"yimc-book-club-orthodoxy-chapter-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/yimcatholic\/2009\/12\/yimc-book-club-orthodoxy-chapter-4.html","title":{"rendered":"YIMC Book Club, \u201cOrthodoxy,\u201d Chapter 4"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><i>Posted by Webster\u00a0<\/i><br>Earlier today, I posted <a href=\"http:\/\/yimcatholic.blogspot.com\/2009\/12\/yimc-book-club-membership-roll-update.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the current membership roll<\/a>. All are welcome to join the discussion, and if new readers leave a comment, they will be added to next week\u2019s roll. (Late breaking news: Turgonian, a student from the Netherlands with an exceptional blog, \u201cEpigone\u2019s Eloquence,\u201d has joined the YIMCBC. Welcome, Turgo!)<\/p>\n<p>I think we\u2019re all finding Chesterton pretty heavy going, but I think you\u2019ll agree that that\u2019s more a function of his style than of his content. In each chapter, there seem to be two or three central ideas. The rest of it\u2014the alliteration, the analogies, the endless word play\u2014adds up to trimmings on the Chesterton family tree. That said, let me lay out a couple of basic ideas in the next chapter to get the discussion started.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_dmDaLWNETzg\/SyDviJ35bMI\/AAAAAAAAApA\/d3JUbxQOAmU\/s1600-h\/Chesterton5\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_dmDaLWNETzg\/SyDviJ35bMI\/AAAAAAAAApA\/d3JUbxQOAmU\/s320\/Chesterton5\"><\/a><b>Chapter 4, \u201cThe Ethics of Elfland\u201d<\/b><br>It\u2019s tempting, living in 2009, to think we know more than those who lived in 209. From this side of the Enlightenment, everything prior seems like the Dark Ages, doesn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s one of the thoughts inspired by Chesterton\u2019s preamble to this chapter, in which he refers to <i>tradition<\/i> as \u201cdemocracy extended through time\u201d and as \u201cthe democracy of the dead.\u201d This is the thing that has struck me most forcibly about Catholicism, that as a member of the Catholic Church, I join ranks with the entire communion of saints. For two thousand years, women and men have been living by these principles, modeling Christ, saying the same prayers, participating in the same Eucharistic Mystery, yes, even going to confession, <a href=\"http:\/\/yimcatholic.blogspot.com\/2009\/12\/because-i-think-confession-can-change.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">as my fourth-graders did yesterday<\/a>. It worked for them. Why wouldn\u2019t it work for me? Why wouldn\u2019t the truths that have stood the test of two millennia not still be true? As I have written in another context, <a href=\"http:\/\/yimcatholic.blogspot.com\/2009\/08\/because-we-live-in-dark-dark-time.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">how did we think we were so smart<\/a> all of a sudden\u2014replacing the democracy of the dead with the aristocracy of the assinine? (I think the only way to meet Chesterton is to fight alliteration with alliteration!)<\/p>\n<p>Chesterton\u2019s ode to tradition takes up the first 15 percent, or so, of the chapter. (And in writing this, wasn\u2019t he saying yes to the Catholic Church, founded on tradition, years before he became a Catholic himself? I think he was.) The rest of the chapter is given over to Elfland. I think others will have better comments here. I frankly got a bit lost.<\/p>\n<p>I did find this passage especially good:<\/p>\n<p><i>Every man has forgotten who he is. One may understand the cosmos, but never the ego; the self is more distant than any star. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God; but thou shalt not know thyself. We are all under the same mental calamity; we have all forgotten our names. We have all forgotten what we really are. All that we call common sense and rationality and practicality and positivism only means that for certain dead levels of our life we forget that we have forgotten. All that we call spirit and art and ecstacy only means that for one awful instant we remember that we forget.\u00a0<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Like many in Chesterton, this passage gives me something to think about for a long time\u2014at least as long as it will take others to comment on \u201cThe Ethics of Elfland.\u201d . . .<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/6738513599344023043-7200020373239683822?l=yimcatholic.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Posted by Webster\u00a0Earlier today, I posted the current membership roll. All are welcome to join the discussion, and if new readers leave a comment, they will be added to next week\u2019s roll. (Late breaking news: Turgonian, a student from the Netherlands with an exceptional blog, \u201cEpigone\u2019s Eloquence,\u201d has joined the YIMCBC. Welcome, Turgo!) 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