{"id":38834,"date":"2022-01-11T08:54:41","date_gmt":"2022-01-11T13:54:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/youngfogey\/?p=38834"},"modified":"2022-01-11T14:18:29","modified_gmt":"2022-01-11T19:18:29","slug":"marvelised-evangelism-how-the-babylon-bee-failed-elon-musk","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/youngfogey\/2022\/01\/marvelised-evangelism-how-the-babylon-bee-failed-elon-musk\/","title":{"rendered":"Marvelised Evangelism: How the Babylon Bee Failed Elon Musk"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

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When you\u2019re a Christian creative, and the culture hands you a hot mike, what do you say? That\u2019s a question the creators of Christian satire site The Babylon Bee have been asking themselves in the past couple of years. It\u2019s rare for a product conceived by Christians to penetrate mainstream pop culture. But the Bee is so popular that it\u2019s toppled the Onion from its perch as the hottest ticket in the satire market, period\u2014not just Christian satire. This has opened doors its writing team could never have dreamed of.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

One of those dreams come true was <\/span>a podcast sit-down<\/span><\/a> with tech titan Elon Musk, hosted by CEO Seth Dillon, EIC Kyle Mann and former Creative Director Ethan Nicolle. (Nicolle no longer works for the site). The 2-week-old interview has nearly 2 million views on YouTube. The podcast has hosted secular guests before, but none as big a \u201cget\u201d as Elon.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

<\/iframe><\/p>\nDoubtless for this reason, the Bee chose to make public a closing portion of the podcast that\u2019s typically subscriber-exclusive, where they ask the guest \u201c10 Questions.\u201d These range from \u201cWhat would you do on your first day as President?\u201d to \u201cHave you ever punched someone?\u201d to\u00a0 \u201cWhiskey or beer?\u201d But they save one question for last: \u201cDo you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, right here on this podcast?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\nThe question is typically pitched in elaborate jest against soft background music, poking fun at the style of \u201caltar-call Christianity\u201d that presses for conversions to meet a quota. Positive or semi-positive responses are greeted with cheers of \u201cGot another one!\u201d and \u201cChalking that up as a win!\u201d In the podcast\u2019s early days, their mostly Christian guests simply grinned and said \u201cYes.\u201d But as they landed more secular guests, the moment became more awkward. Some guests play along in the same light spirit, like Dave Rubin saying he once had a great super named Jesus. Others are less impressed. Austin Petersen gives a dubious \u201cEhhh,\u201d decides he doesn\u2019t want to \u201cunnecessarily anger the Big Guy\u201d and \u201ccommit sacrilege for the <\/span>purpose<\/span><\/i> of committing sacrilege, like that priest who got caught on the altar having sex with the two dominatrixes.\u201d Jonah Goldberg, who\u2019s Jewish, dryly remarks that he\u2019s blown away by their \u201cobvious zeal\u201d to convert him.<\/span> \u201cI can tell, it\u2019s like you really<\/em> think you\u2019re saving souls here. I almost saw one of your eyebrows move! It\u2019s just\u2026really, it\u2019s incredible!\u201d <\/span>One of the hosts seems to wince visibly as the burn settles.<\/span><\/p>\nThere\u2019s also a glimmer of self-awareness on the podcast with Dinesh D\u2019Souza, who takes the chance to give a slightly longer serious answer about his blend of Protestant and Catholic background influences (this is me, not commenting on the irony of asking Dinesh D\u2019Souza whether he\u2019s accepted Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior\u2014anyhow). After he\u2019s done, one of the hosts says, \u201cWell, we appreciate your ability to turn a dumb question into a serious, smart answer.\u201d That was in June, 2020. A year and a half later, apparently nobody on the team has stopped in earnest to look around the room and say, \u201cNo, but seriously though\u2026isn\u2019t this a really dumb question?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\nEven gentler awkward moments, like with Bridget Phetasy, should have been a clue.\u00a0 As they ask Google to cue up \u201cSoftly and Tenderly,\u201d Bridget answers \u201cYes,\u201d and they launch into their typical routine of clapping and whooping. \u201cWe need to put it on the tally board,\u201d one of them says. She grins and says, \u201cI get accolades for that?\u201d \u201cNo, we do,\u201d they barrel on. \u201cWe tell our donors the number of converts.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\nThey also explicitly \u201chang a lantern\u201d on the satire with James Lindsay, who\u2019s not exactly known for restraining himself when it comes to trollery. To his unenthused initial \u201cNo, not really,\u201d they press, <\/span>\u201cCome on, man. You\u2019ll make us look really good.\u201d \u201c<\/span>No,\u201d he says, \u201c\u2018cos you can\u2019t lie about that.\u201d He then plays along and says, \u201cYeah, you guys got quotas\u201d when they keep milking the joke. One of them mimes the archetypal cigar-smoking Big Church Exec who wants to \u201cget that atheist guy to turn on our podcast.\u201d None of which lands especially well even by the standards of irreverent comedy, it should be said. But the cringe is orders of magnitude higher when Christians try to do it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nAll of which brings us to the Elon Musk Moment. Normally, we wouldn\u2019t even have seen this part, but\u2026this was Elon Musk. Of course they were going to use all the material. It was a pot full of gold viral clips-in-waiting. So, after 90 minutes spent on wokeness, tech, comedy, and other fun stuff, they hit him with the questions, then, finally, with The Question. They first set it up by noting that they\u2019re \u201ca Christian organization,\u201d a \u201cministry,\u201d which inspires Musk to troll them a bit over the fact that they\u2019re working on a Sunday. (\u201cYou\u2019re going straight to hell for this one!\u201d)<\/span> Then they make the pitch: \u201cWe\u2019re wondering if you could do us a quick solid and just accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\nAs the background music drags out, Musk awkwardly but sincerely begins to recall what little he\u2019s retained from his nominal Christian background. Jesus was a great teacher. Love one another. Ummm\u2026 Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Or wait, that was Ghandi, but same different. Anyway, if Jesus is still around and saving people\u2026 \u201cI wouldn\u2019t stand in his way. So you know, sure, I\u2019ll be saved,\u201d he mumbles. \u201cWhy not?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\nCue applause. Cue \u201cWe got him! Praise the Lord!\u201d<\/p>\nBut Elon isn\u2019t done yet, because it turns out he has a few questions, for real. Like, what\u2019s the deal with Communion? That always weirded him out as a kid. What does it mean to, y\u2019know, eat Jesus? Also, what does it mean that Jesus \u201cmultiplied\u201d the loaves and fishes? Like\u2026how, though? He never got it. But hey, he\u2019s in a room full of Christians. Maybe they can help a confused kid out. He does like the water to wine miracle though. That was pretty epic. It\u2019s like \u201cYou\u2019re the Savior, man.\u201d The Savior of the party. Right?<\/span><\/p>\nFor a brief moment, Seth Dillon reads the room and starts to shift gears. But by then, the interview time is nearly gone, and a golden opportunity with it.<\/span><\/p>\nIn the aftermath, the Bee has come under serious criticism, including video responses by <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Rp12vna2mQ0&\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">CRC pastor Paul VanderKlay<\/span><\/a> and <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=tmhi8jijA2o\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Southern Baptist minister Justin Peters<\/span><\/a>. Both make the same point in different ways.<\/span>\u00a0Peters is full of righteous thunder, landing sizzler after sizzler: \u201cWe got him? Praise the Lord?? Praise the Lord for what<\/em>???\u201d \u201cHow much do you have to hate Elon Musk?\u201d \u201cI\u2019ve heard more gospel from Joel Osteen. Joel Osteen would blush in shame at this. I\u2019ve heard more gospel from Deepak Chopra<\/em>!\u201d VanderKlay makes his points in a more even-keeled, beard-stroking way, but he still conveys firm pastoral correction, his heart clearly going out to poor, cluelessly fumbling Elon. <\/span><\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Does Elon Musk Take Jesus MORE Seriously Than the Babylon Bee?\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Rp12vna2mQ0?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\nIn the end, both pastors have the same take-home message: Not everything has to be turned into a joke. Indeed, some things positively shouldn\u2019t <\/i>be. Some things should stay sacred. It\u2019s okay\u2014more than okay, necessary\u2014to keep them that way. Church outsiders don\u2019t necessarily mind that. In fact, they might respect that. They might be curious to know more. As Tom Holland likes to say, \u201cStay weird!\u201d<\/span><\/p>\nBut the Babylon Bee, in their combination of hero-worship and self-consciousness, missed this memo. And it led them to fumble their biggest ball yet. They forgot the one thing that gives them the edge over every other podcast on the menu, even Joe Rogan or Lex Fridman: the gospel. In fact, as VanderKlay notes, those long-form interviews with Musk ironically come off vastly more comfortable, authentic, and thoughtful. They come off as organic conversations where both parties came prepared to get to know each other and let the stream flow where it willed, instead of rushing to hit a pre-set collection of comic beats. This is precisely where Christian media should be leading, not lagging behind.<\/span><\/p>\nI\u2019ve decided to call the Bee\u2019s failed approach \u201cMarvelised evangelism.\u201d Marvel movies are characterized by a habit of giving an ironic twist to every other beat, every other line. Audiences have been trained to expect that serious, earnest moments won\u2019t last long before somebody punctures them with a joke. A similar phenomenon seems to be at work here. The Bee hosts give the impression that they\u2019re almost afraid of getting too serious for too long with a secular celebrity guest. They\u2019re afraid of appearing over-earnest, of being cringey. But this interview should have showed them that there\u2019s nothing to be afraid of. In fact, they should be much more afraid of the opposite pitfall.<\/span><\/p>\nRight now, The Babylon Bee has a hot mike. They\u2019ve made some brilliant choices about what to do with it. Hopefully, they will take to heart these critiques of their less-than-brilliant choices. Hopefully, they will pay closer attention to what unchurched celebs are actually looking for. Secular folks may not share our beliefs. They may even think some of those beliefs are downright weird. But they do want to know if <\/span>we<\/span><\/i> take them seriously. Because if we don\u2019t, then why should they?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"When you\u2019re a Christian creative, and the culture hands you a hot mike, what do you say? That\u2019s a question the creators of Christian satire site The Babylon Bee have been asking themselves in the past couple of years. It\u2019s rare for a product conceived by Christians to penetrate mainstream pop culture. 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