Blessed Are Those Who Are Born That Way

Blessed Are Those Who Are Born That Way October 31, 2018

 

When God established rules for who could – and who could not – enter into or serve within the Tabernacle, and later the Temple of God, He made a curious prohibition against those who were castrated, or who “had their testicles crushed”. [See Lev. 21:20]

These people are more commonly referred to in the Scriptures as “eunuchs”.

Later, through the prophet Isaiah, God made these eunuchs a promise:

“Let not the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” For thus says the Lord: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.” [Isaiah 56:3-7]

God’s promise is to give these people, who were formerly outcast, a place of honor in God’s House. However, it was never fulfilled under the Old Covenant.

So, was this promise left unfulfilled? Not at all.

You see, when Jesus is responding to the Pharisee’s question regarding divorce, his disciples throw up their hands in exasperation after hearing Him say that a man may not divorce his wife other than for the sin of adultery. They exclaim, “Why even get married, then?” To which Jesus replies:

“Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.” [Matthew 19:11-12]

Curiously, Jesus seems to make a statement that he realizes will be difficult for His disciples to wrap their minds around. “Tuck this one in your back pocket for now,” he seems to say. “This won’t make any sense to you now, but later on this concept will become more clear.”

So, what is a eunuch? Is it simply someone who has no interest in the opposite sex? Or in marriage? Is it someone who has no functional genitalia [as in Lev.21:20]? And, what is the difference between a eunuch who is “born that way” and those who are “made eunuchs by men” and “those who made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom”?

Jesus bookends this statement with the warning: “Not all men can accept this. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.”

Whatever a eunuch might be, we see that Jesus is referencing the earlier promise made by Isaiah. Jesus honors those who are eunuchs – whether because they were born that way, made that way, or for the sake of the Kingdom of God. In the context of his dialog with the Pharisees and the Disciples, Jesus seems to place the emphasis on those eunuchs who choose not to marry – not to participate in the normative practices of the culture – but who instead devote themselves totally to the Gospel and the Kingdom of God.

Keep in mind that, in Jewish culture, a woman had no value apart from child-birth. A man without male children was a disgrace and most likely cursed by God. Even the “Chosen” status of the Children of Israel was tied to giving birth to the eventual Messiah. How could anyone choose to disengage from that most natural and holy endeavors as being married and having children in a culture like this?

As we’ve already noted, that promise in Isaiah to eunuchs being granted a “monument and a name better than sons and daughters” was never fulfilled in the Old Covenant “House of God”, but it was certainly fulfilled in the New Covenant “House of God”, which is the ekklesia, or Body of Christ.

Who was the first non-Jewish convert baptized into the new Temple of God? A eunuch from Ethiopa. [See Acts 8:27]

When the evangelist Philip met this man he was reading from Isaiah 53:7-8. Imagine this eunuch’s surprise after his baptism when he, no doubt, continued on reading in the scroll and discovered the promise of God to him – and to every other eunuch – a few chapters later in Isaiah 56:3-7.

Who else has made themselves a eunuch for the Kingdom of God?

Well, Jesus, for one. He abandoned his identity as a potential husband or a father, in the natural sense, to embrace the title of Bridegroom for a people who would become his Bride through faith in Him. His only “Bride” or wife is us, the Church.

Paul was also a “eunuch for the Kingdom” who remained celibate for the sake of the Gospel, and urged others to do the same:

“To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. . . But I want you to be free from concern. One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and his interests are divided. The woman who is unmarried…is concerned about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how she may please her husband. This I say for your own benefit; not to put a restraint upon you, but to promote what is appropriate and to secure undistracted devotion to the Lord.” [1 Corinthians 7:8, 32-33]

What of those who embrace their natural identity and who become fathers and mothers, or husbands and wives? Those labels will vanish and fade away in the age to come:

“For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.” – Jesus [Matt. 22:30]

But for those who do embrace this calling to become eunuchs for the Kingdom, there is a promise that is eternal and that will never be taken away.

Jesus gives us three categories of eunuchs: Those who were “born that way”, those who “were made that way by men” and those who “are eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom”.

Eunuchs who are “made that way by men” are undoubtedly those who were castrated. This tells us that the Ethiopian eunuch, and the eunuch who lived and served in the Temple [see 2 Kings 23:11] were both “born that way from their mother’s womb”.  How do we know this? Because if they had been “made that way by men” [i.e. “castrated”] then they wouldn’t have been admitted into the Temple, according to the prohibition commanded in Leviticus 21:20.

So, what does it mean to be someone who is a eunuch “from their mother’s womb”? Many believe that this would be a reference to what we would call someone with a same-sex attraction. Why? Because these people did not exhibit what would have been seen as a “normative” sexual orientation.

In other words, they were men without passion for women, and/or women without interest in taking a husband and bearing children – as most women would be expected to do. At a minimum, these enuchs are “non-heterosexuals” who do not have any interest in fulfilling their culturally-accepted gender roles.

The third category that Jesus mentions is someone for whom the expected sexual norms and usual gender roles do not apply. Furthermore, it is someone who has embraced a new identity in Christ to become a eunuch for the Kingdom, by choice.

This is what Jesus did. It’s what Paul the Apostle did and urged others to do, “if they can receive it.”

What greater calling can there be than to become, like Jesus our Lord and the Apostle Paul, one of the eunuch’s for the sake of the Kingdom of God?

Note: I say this only to remove dishonor from those who have willingly chosen such a life, or who have been born this way. This is not an attempt to recruit people into a life of celibacy, nor away from – or towards – any sort of lifestyle.

Granted, not everyone is “born this way” and few of us are “made this way by men”, but there are several who do not value traditional marriage as much as others do. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Christians for whom the traditional role of husband or wife, or mother or father, is not an option. Whether by sexual attraction or by lack of opportunity, these men and women are on the outside of the cultural norms and sexual identities that our society has imposed upon them. Many of them are ok with this identity. Others wish they could change their condition. But, my point is, that they need not feel condemnation from God regarding their condition.

So, rather than endure the shame that is often tied to this classification, these dear people are among an elite tribe of human beings who have been given a promise, and a monument, and an everlasting name that will be, in the House of God, one of honor and of high esteem. Our Lord Himself has identified with them and stands beside them as one who is on the outside of normative cultural expectations for gender and sexuality and identity.

Now, I also know that many who are Gay and Christian who want nothing more than to find another person to share their life with. This is a common, human desire. My hope is to share another possibility that they might consider embracing – a promise from God to step into a place of exceptional service for their Lord and King. However, this is only one option, not the only option.

As much as we might not want to believe it, celibacy is not a death sentence. For many in the Kingdom of God, it is a high calling and a position of great honor. But, celibacy need not become a dead-end option either. If God does not condemn those who are outside of the cultural norms of gender and sexuality, why should we?

Is there anyone, today, who has abandoned their normative cultural – and natural – identity as a husband or a wife? If so, they may now embrace the example of Jesus and of Paul the Apostle who served as “eunuchs for the Kingdom” and experienced the promise of God through the prophet Isaiah to receive a “a monument and a name better than sons and daughters” and “an everlasting name that will not be cut off.”

Is there anyone who has been born different than others around them; with a sexuality that doesn’t seem to conform to commonly-accepted norms? Then find yourself deep in the arms of blessing from your Abba, Father who draws you close and whispers:

“I will give to you, in my house and within my walls, a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give you an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.”

Let those who can receive it, receive it.

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Keith Giles is a former pastor who left the pulpit 11 years ago to start a church that gives away 100% of the offering to the poor in their community. 

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  • Herm

    Okay, I wait, so as not to hog commenting, especially to what is normally considered controversial in the “Christian world” of Pharisaical sinful judgments. When taken purely from Jesus’ non-interpretive, red letter, New Testament scripture this is very simply not a concern to my relational heart and mind of spirit, nor my intellectual human logic.

    On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

    What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?

    He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

    You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.

    Luke 10:25-28

    So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

    Matthew 7:12

    I can go much further in depth, including reintroducing the Beatitudes (Matthew 5:3-12 and Luke 6:20-26) and the Decalogue (Exodus 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21, the “Law” addressed in Matthew 7:12), but it is not for me to spoon feed to others what the Spirit of truth can do so much better than I, and infinitely better than present day theology teachers of the law.

    Logically, there is no one of mankind who is identical to another of mankind, never has been nor ever will be. That’s how incomprehensible it is to any of mankind, on this earth, that the very hairs on each of our heads are all numbered by our Father.

    Not one of mankind will ever have exactly the same quantifiable or qualifiable sexual and/or gender portrayal or prowess as another. Not one of mankind will ever be 100% masculine male or feminine female. Genetically, we know, today, that if we try to continue our pure family DNA through sibling sex, as many royals have historically tried, that our family will die out, as would mankind if all families exercised the same protectionist method of procreation. We know that our strength is enhanced through the loving merge of all constructive differences within the body of mankind, and diminishes when we attempt to, in everything, not do to, and with, all others, not the same as us, as we would have all others do to, and with, us. God knows even more to strengthen ourselves though constructive and productive relational diversity, in spirit and in flesh.

    According to he with all authority on earth and in heaven, the only criteria that will determine our fitness to live eternally is relational not physical. If we correctly presume that we aren’t going to know it all, to be fully confident in what and how to be perfect in all our ways, by the time our flesh gives out, then we must rely on the offered life with out end necessary to achieve full confidence in what we know as all there is to know, before we can be fully constructive and productive toward all life. None of us know more than infant children of what and how we must perform in relationships to be constructive and productive for all others, as we would choose to be so for ourselves.

    There is no way that I can determine, from my childish perspective, that two consensual adults, with like sexual organs, who reciprocally agree to be physically, socially and/or spiritually intimate with one another in any way transgresses Matthew 7:12, 22:37-40 or Luke 10:27. Couple that with, at resurrection, that there is no marriage, for there is logical reason for two to unite as one flesh through their progeny when all life is from now on eternal, then it is not ours to judge how, or if, another populates further our animal species of flesh, mankind, who was gifted the image of God, spirit.

    How silly is it that, on our reasonably illiterate preschool playground, our little childish cliques judge to shun merciful macho females and effeminate males as an abomination to God?

    False testimony, coveting, intimidation, manipulation, coercion and subjugation of another, as one of Man would not have another do to herself/himself, is an abomination to God. Blessed by all of God are all those of Man who do first, in everything, as they would have all others do to them.

    Use our flesh, exactly as each of us were born, to be as constructive and productive for all of Man in love, no more or less than we are able, and we all are blessed, God and Man. Children of God, born of the Spirit, know this to be true living with and in our hearts, souls, strengths, minds of spirit. May all who hear seek to know in kind.

  • Dennis Wilson

    If you were trying to make a case for God approving homosexuality, then you failed miserably.

  • Herm

    So, Dennis, you tell me how being a practicing homosexual, heterosexual, bi-sexual, or asexual, in and of itself, in any way, transgresses what all the law and prophets hang on or are summed up, please.

  • Dennis Wilson

    You also failed to make sense once again, If you apply yourself you might get there. Quit the meandering and wandering.

    Otrotierra is not your friend, she is clueless.

  • Herm

    Dennis, you didn’t answer my request. ALL the law and the prophets, according to God!

    Dennis Wilson is not the truth.

  • Dennis Wilson

    Herm Dennis Wilson • 18 hours ago
    Dennis, you didn’t answer my request. ALL the law and the prophets, according to God!

    Dennis Wilson is not the truth.
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    Is this the passage of Scripture that you keep butchering?

    On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

    “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

    He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

    “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
    Luke 10:25-28

    Don’t butcher the word of truth, God’s word.

    Furthermore, why do you do it? Is it because you, like most liberals have convinced yourself that you do love God with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself? You don’t Herm, you have never done that, not even for five seconds.

    Will you be brave enough to say you do? Since you believe that, why not say so?

  • Herm

    Dennis (Mitchell?),

    Number One: The Bible is not “God’s word”. It is a testimony of God’s relationship with Man from Man’s perspective. God has never stopped “breathing” inspiration to mankind, who is by spirit in the image of God, according to testimony found in the book of Genesis from the Old “Testament”.

    Number Two: If you know your Bible as little as you have demonstrated here, why do you judge others, and by what credentials?

    Number Three: You were close when you found Luke 10:25-28 (too bad you didn’t include the whole to verse 37) but only served to testify that you don’t know what I was speaking to.

    Number Four: The following are very clearly what I was alluding to as is found in your Bible;

    So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

    Matthew 7:12

    Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    Matthew 22:37-40

    Number Five: The following clearly tell the only source from where the truth of God’s word is found for you and I;

    After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly.

    Acts 4:31

    Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.

    John 4:23-24

    “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

    John 14:15-18

    “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

    John 16:12-13

    Number Six: It is you, by your own word, who does not do to others as you would have others do to you. It is you who persecutes the “Good Samaritan” (homosexual) who shows you mercy, and has done nothing to harm you. It is you who usurps Christ’s very capable authority in heaven and on earth, exalting yourself to tell others what God approves of. You don’t know God.

    Number Seven: You wrote,<blockquoteDon’t butcher the word of truth, God’s word.

    Furthermore, why do you do it? Is it because you, like most liberals have convinced yourself that you do love God with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself? You don’t Herm, you have never done that, not even for five seconds.

    Will you be brave enough to say you do? Since you believe that, why not say so?

    You know not what you speak. I am filled with the Holy Spirit and boldly speak the word of God, who I am in and who is in me. You are blind to Spirit of truth. It is not yours, nor mine, to judge others in the name of God. It is ours to love God by all our spirit self, heart, soul, strength, mind, and, in everything, love our merciful neighbor as we would have our merciful neighbor love us, while we love our enemy first as we would have our enemy love us.

    Conclusion: So, Dennis, you tell me how being a practicing homosexual, heterosexual, bi-sexual, or asexual, in and of itself, in any way, transgresses what all the law and prophets hang on or are summed up, please.

  • Dennis Wilson

    Herm Dennis Wilson • 37 minutes ago
    Dennis (Mitchell?),
    Number One: The Bible is not “God’s word”. It is a testimony of God’s relationship with Man from Man’s perspective. God has never stopped “breathing” inspiration to mankind, who is by spirit in the image of God, according to testimony found in the book of Genesis from the Old “Testament”.
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    Well, Christianity has accepted the Bible as the word of God for thousands of years. You are obviously NOT a Christian.
    Your explanation for the Bible not being the word of God, makes man the ultimate authority in matters of right and wrong, witness your defense of homosexuality. The Bible means what Herm says it means even when the Bible contradicts you. You are one arrogant heathen.

    Please tell me what Christian denomination teaches that the Bible is NOT the word of God. I don’t believe you will answer that question, but that won’t stop me from asking it again.

  • Dennis Wilson

    Herm Dennis Wilson • 37 minutes ago
    Number Two: If you know your Bible as little as you have demonstrated here, why do you judge others, and by what credentials?
    ——————-
    The word of God, of course. I know you have read 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 but you deem that passage a lie.

    The Bible says that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Why do you deem God a liar?

    Please tell me what Christian denomination teaches that the Bible is NOT the word of God. I don’t believe you will answer that question, but that won’t stop me from asking it again.

  • Dennis Wilson

    Herm Dennis Wilson • an hour ago

    Number Four: The following are very clearly what I was alluding to as is found in your Bible;

    So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

    =================

    You either are a super heathen or have a serious learning problem.

    As I said previously, you have NOT even for five seconds – On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

    “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

    He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

    “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
    Luke 10:25-28

    Eternal life, that is, salvation from the penalty of your sins is between You and God. You have never obeyed that supreme law for even five seconds and that is why you need Salvation, Herm

    Your feelings that you have, points to what an arrogant heathen y0u are.

    Please tell me what Christian denomination teaches that the Bible is NOT the word of God. I don’t believe you will answer that question, but that won’t stop me from asking it again.

    The Bible says that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Why do you deem God a liar?

  • Dennis Wilson

    “It is ours to love God…..”

    Yes, and since you don’t, you need a Savior. Your feelings that you have loved God with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, and have loved your neighbor as yourself will only earn you an everlasting hell.

    You can’t earn Salvation by your standard of loving God and others Hern. Disobeying God is not loving God, Herm. Your Theology is is seriously wrong.

    The Bible says that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Why do you deem God a liar?

    Please tell me what Christian denomination teaches that the Bible is NOT the word of God. I don’t believe you will answer that question, but that won’t stop me from asking it again.

  • Herm

    “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

    Matthew 23:8-12

    I have one Teacher, the Spirit of truth living with me and in me without pause, without end. I have one Instructor, the Christ. I have one Father, and he is in heaven, in Christ, in the Holy spirit, in me, and I we in him. I am a sibling disciple (student) of the Messiah, born of the Spirit as a child of God. I am terminally dying in the flesh while learning to live for eternity in the Spirit and in truth.

    How many different organized “Christian” denominations does it take to reach a quorum to decide truth, when all the Pharisees, Sadducee, and teacher of the law were so wrong in their interpretations of scripture that they murdered the Son of God in the name of God?

    Please, take the time to try to understand the fullness of this, Jesus quoted directly;

    Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

    Luke 14:25-27

    Do not bet your eternal life on allegiance to tribal traditions.

    You wrote, Your explanation for the Bible not being the word of God, makes man the ultimate authority in matters of right and wrong, witness your defense of homosexuality.

    Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

    Matthew 28:18

    No organization of mankind on this earth, no matter the denomination, has the authority of Jesus, the Christ, who is perfectly capable of administering his church without any other modern day human priest, Sadducee, Pharisee, or teacher of the law. All worship of the Father and of God is only in the Spirit and in the truth today.

  • Herm

    The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

    1 Corinthians 6:7-11

    Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes, To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    1 Corinthians 1:1-3

    Jesus, the one Christ, the one Messiah, the one Instructor, did not testify, nor is quoted, in 1 Corinthians. Paul testified here without ever being a student walking on earth with Jesus. His testimony, his letter to the Corinthians, was misinterpreted. This is a much closer interpretation without homophobia attached:

    Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

    Revised Standard Version (RSV) [Earlier version of the NRSV]

    The opposite of God’s empathetic, compassionate, forgiving, selfless love is Man’s intimidation, manipulation, intentionally confusing, and subjugating their fellow Man. Intimidation, manipulation, confusing and subjugation of others are transgressions of the Law and the Prophets. Those who employ such attitudes, as do many “Christian denominations”, are separate from the Spirit of truth, are wrongdoers, and will not inherit the kingdom of God as a sister and brother of Christ, son and daughter of the Father.

    You, by slandering adults who mutually agree to reciprocally share in homosexual intimacy, who in everything do to others as they would have others do to them as you do not, cheat and do wrong to your brothers and sisters of Man. Physical intimacy of the flesh has nothing to do with spirit and God is Spirit. Attitude in relationship with one another has everything to do with spirit and flesh relative to the Law that God abides by and enforces.

  • Herm

    The Bible is not God. Why do you make testimonies of mankind your God, when the Bible tells you that God can be in you and you in God today? Even by the testimonies of Man Jesus never once judged reciprocal homosexuality between consensual adults as wrongdoing. Rape, subjugating another against their will, is sin whether heterosexual, homosexual or asexual. Why are you so conflicted about relationships between consensual adults?

    Sin, relative to the Bible, is when you transgress against divine law. In everything, actually doing to all others as you would have all others do to you, is loving all others as yourself, and prevents any chance of transgressing the entire sum of the law.

    Why do you try so hard to intimidate me by telling me that I am calling God a liar? I really do know God, with and in me right this moment, when you only know of God as portrayed by Man in your Bible.

  • Herm

    Do you know the Spirit of truth living with and in you right this moment, with pause, and without end? Do you know what God has been doing for the last 1,950 years since the book of Revelations? Is God real to you or no more than a study shared between you and your temporal church?

  • Herm

    Please tell me what Christian denomination teaches that the Bible is NOT the word of God.

    The Holy Spirit teaches, as instructed to do so by my brother Christ, according to the will our heavenly Father, “that the Bible is NOT the word of God.”

    Jesus openly wholly disagreed with scripture before him according to quotes in the New Testament. The New Testament did not exist when filled with the Holy Spirit children of God boldly spoke the word of God. Children of God have done so since, with or without the Bible. God is real and lives to love all who can love. The Bible speaks to that truth by witnessed testimony from mankind that is not God, but is speaking of God.

    Why do you worship a physical book when that book tells you that God is in your midst for you to seek, knock and ask that your questions will be answered directly by God?

  • Dennis Wilson

    Herm Dennis Wilson • an hour ago
    Do you know the Spirit of truth living with and in you right this moment, with pause, and without end? Do you know what God has been doing for the last 1,950 years since the book of Revelations? Is God real to you or no more than a study shared between you and your temporal church?
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    You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole. The Spirit of Truth is God, Herm. The Spirit of Trump is the Holy Spirit, Herm. The Holy Spirit is God, Herm. Jesus Christ is God,Herm. The father is God, Herm.

    God, the Father, God, the Son. God the Holy Spirit.

  • Dennis Wilson

    Herm Dennis Wilson • an hour ago
    The Bible is not God. Why do you make testimonies of mankind your God, when the Bible tells you that God can be in you and you in God today?
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    The Bible is NOT God.You think creating a straw man is going to save you from your blasphemies? Mankind is NOT my God you lying heathen.

    God the Holy Spirit, who is God, resides within me, because I have accepted Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who is God, as my Savior.

  • Dennis Wilson

    “Even by the testimonies of Man Jesus never once judged reciprocal homosexuality between consensual adults as wrongdoing.”

    So what? Homosexuality was punishable by death in the Law. Homosexuality was judged by God to be wrong. It was in the Law, Herm. You are not very good at defending your homosexuality, Herm/

  • Dennis Wilson

    If you will look at 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 you will not see that consenting homosexuals are NOT termed the righteous, and that they will inherit the Kingdom of God.

  • Dennis Wilson

    “How many different organized “Christian” denominations does it take to reach a quorum to decide truth, when all the Pharisees, Sadducee, and teacher of the law were so wrong in their interpretations of scripture that they murdered the Son of God in the name of God?”

    Translation: As your words have clearly shown, you are NOT a Christian and you are NOT about to admit that NO Christian church would have you as a member.

    Hey Herm, write again –

    “that the Bible is NOT the word of God.” Try saying that before the congregation of a Christian church. You just keep digging your hole, Herm.

  • Dennis Wilson

    “Do not bet your eternal life on allegiance to tribal traditions.”

    I don’t, I know that I am a sinner and need the Salvation (eternal life) that only Jesus Christ can give me through faith in Him.

    I don’t have false notions, unlike you, that I can earn eternal life my efforts to love.

  • Dennis Wilson

    “Jesus openly wholly disagreed with scripture before him according to quotes in the New Testament. ”

    You are a wicked, blaspheming liar! Where do get such blasphemes?

    So, list them Herm.

  • Dennis Wilson

    “Why do you worship a physical book when that book tells you that God is in your midst for you to seek, knock and ask that your questions will be answered directly by God?”

    I don’t. Now, you ask God if you have eternal life and then let me know what He said.

  • Herm

    Dennis, I asked and the answer was, “of course, you are my son of whom I am proud.”

  • Herm

    Caiaphas judged my brother, the Christ, to be a blasphemer. You place me in good company, thank you.

  • Herm

    What does denominations have to do with whether or not homosexuals will inherit eternal life or that the Bible is the inerrant word of God? The Jewish denominations didn’t recognize the Son of Man/Son of God in their midst. I carry my cross for the likes of you who don’t recognize children of God in your midst today.

  • Herm

    You don’t seem to understand that inherit refers to relatives of God, like those of us born of the Spirit as eternal children of God today. All sisters and brothers, disciples, of Christ are of God as Jesus, the Son of Man, was of God.

    You make unrighteous judgements founded only on your earth bound church theology (the study of God without God as their Teacher), not on a direct relationship with and in God.

  • Herm

    That was law put in place by the authority of the Moses seat, not by God. Jesus condemned such law, including death for adulterers. The only law that stand the test of time as God’s commandments is written by the hand of God, the Decalog.

  • Herm

    That is bullshit. No where in the original writing of Paul’s letter does it speak to mutually consenting acts of homosexual intimacy.

  • Herm

    You don’t know what you speak.

  • Herm

    The fruit of your labors tell us that you do not see to accept the Spirit of truth living with and in you without pause, without end, as your only one Teacher.

    All homosexuals who show you mercy are your neighbors, no less loved by my Father than are you.

  • Herm

    No denomination of mankind’s “Christian church” is authorized to judge in the name of God by God since Jesus was given all authority on earth and in heaven.

  • Dennis Wilson

    Herm Dennis Wilson • 12 hours ago
    Dennis, I asked and the answer was, “of course, you are my son of whom I am proud.”
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    You have serious mental issues and I suspect it’s the result of long drug use.

  • Dennis Wilson

    You need to place yourself in a psychiatric ward.

  • Dennis Wilson

    That’s because nobody was evil enough to make such a claim. You are the exception. Keep digging that hole that shows you to be a heathen.

  • Dennis Wilson

    All you homosexuals will spend eternity in HELL.

  • Dennis Wilson

    What you have is the spirit of Satan, he also quotes scripture. Funny how you quote scripture which you say is not the word of God as if it is the word of God. You keep digging that hole, that reveals you to be a heathen.

  • Dennis Wilson

    I speak what millions of other Christians speak. You speak of yourself. You are alone.

  • Dennis Wilson

    Funny how Christians are wrong according to you. You are that one lone voice for God and tens of millions of Christians are wrong. You have a demon, Herm.

  • Dennis Wilson

    Dennis Wilson Herm • 16 hours ago
    “Jesus openly wholly disagreed with scripture before him according to quotes in the New Testament. ”
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    You are a liar.

  • Herm

    Not so funny, the one lone voice accused of blasphemy by the head of his church for accepting to be a child of God. Not so funny, the vast majority of his church, by voice vote, yelling to crucify him for his crime. Tens of millions of Christians are wrong depending on their church and not God. Tens of millions of Christians are lost when their theology keeps them from accepting my Father’s offer to be a child of God born of the Spirit of truth.

  • Dennis Wilson

    That’s just stupid!

    You also wrote:

    Herm • 16 hours ago
    “Jesus openly wholly disagreed with scripture before him according to quotes in the New Testament. ”
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    You are a liar.