Why Undocumented Immigrants Are A Blessing From God

Why Undocumented Immigrants Are A Blessing From God October 24, 2018

In spite of how often we hear that immigrants are a drain on our economy and we need to build a fence after we deport all of them, the truth is quite the opposite. According to the Wall Street Journal, which recently surveyed 46 economists, immigration has been very good for the U.S. economy. 

Here’s why:

“Immigrants fill in the gaps of our labor market, at both the high and low ends of the skill spectrum.” In other words, “America’s educational system does not produce enough scientists and engineers to meet the needs of a growing technology sector, this means that some of the brightest minds from across the world come to the U.S. (usually lawfully). But there are also major gaps in low-skill jobs, [those which don’t require a college degree, or even a high school degree].”

According to the article: “very few Americans are content to endure the long hours required of agricultural work, for example, which is why 50% to 60% of the food that touches our table was touched by immigrant hands along the way. Because immigrants are willing to do this hard work…we all enjoy inexpensive produce. The same logic applies to many other sectors of our economy, and we all benefit.”

Undocumented workers are also consumers and, as such, they stimulate our economy. They are also more likely to start their own businesses, at a rate that’s nearly twice that of native-born Americans. [Does that make them “job creators”?]

In spite of what you’ve been told, undocumented immigrants also pay taxes. The Social Security Administration estimates that three out of four undocumented immigrants has payroll taxes deducted from their paycheck and also pays income, Medicare, and Social Security taxes. And while many of these are using false Social Security numbers, the Social Security Administration admits that they took in $12 billion in 2007 from names that did not match the right numbers.

This means we know full well that undocumented workers pay taxes and contribute to the Social Security pie, and not only do we try to deny it, we are also perfectly happy to let it continue.

So, millions of undocumented immigrants are paying into a government program that they will never receive benefits from because their bogus number is not valid for receiving benefits, [only for paying in].

Therefore, these people are indirectly responsible for subsidizing our broken and unsustainable Social Security system for the rest of us.

Could the Government make a Social Security card that was more difficult to counterfeit? Obviously they already do so with other US documents like passports and Federal ID cards which utilize a photo, fingerprints, and barcodes to verify the person’s identity. Perhaps they lack the proper incentive to change the decades-old design of the Social Security card which anyone with a sheet of blue construction paper and a typewriter could counterfeit in under an hour?

Similarly, the IRS allows undocumented immigrants to file their taxes using a special “Individual Taxpayer Identification Number”, while assuring them that they will not share their illegal status with the Border Patrol or the State Department. This means that many of them do file income tax, even though they are not eligible for most of the public benefits that their taxes make possible, such as: welfare checks, food stamps, federal subsidized housing, Supplementary Security Income, and other cash benefits.

Yes, immigrants are allowed to receive a free public education (guaranteed by the Supreme Court) and for emergency room treatments, but those costs are mainly incurred by local and state governments.  So, at the State and Local level, the average immigrant DOES cost more in services than they pay in taxes. But at the Federal level, the reverse is true.

Perhaps this is why the federal government seems so slow to enact reforms? They are the only level of government capable of enforcing any change to the current system, and they are reaping all the benefits of it. State and local governments are more motivated to change things, because they’re upside down on the deal, but they have zero power to change the status quo.

The end result? The American people are still receiving the better end of the deal. The average immigrant will pay in $80,000 more over the course of a lifetime than they will ever take out in services across the board.

That means that undocumented immigrants are a positive blessing from God to our Nation. Maybe it’s time we started treating them that way?

Now, in the past whenever I’ve shared ideas like this one, I’ve received more than a little push-back from Christians who wonder if I’m in favor of illegal immigration. Like this guy who said:

“I am curious to hear your defense of someone illegally entering a foreign nation, and following that up with repeatedly violating multiple other laws of that nation while simultaneously illegally receiving a variety of monetary benefits…Surely you aren’t going to argue that the mere “existence” of immigration laws represents an “unjust law” that – as a believer – can be morally ignored? I’m just trying to establish a ‘baseline’ for your argument, here. Where does ‘just enforcement’ begin, in your view? Or is there no such thing?”

It’s a fair question and one that that I myself have wrestled with over the years as someone who has tried to reconcile my faith with everything else in my life.

In the past, I might have tried to do exactly what he asked me to do: Justify the legality of immigration laws in our country, or seek to directly balance the words of Jesus with American immigration policy.

But that’s not what I do anymore. I have a different perspective now.

Here’s how I answered my friend:

“Do I need to justify prostitution to care for a prostitute? Is it ‘anti-criminal justice’ to serve in prison ministry? Am I pro-drug use if I serve someone who is addicted to drugs?

“No. We show mercy and grace and the love of Jesus to everyone.”

See, we don’t need to limit our ministry to those who are “righteous” and “law-abiding”. In fact, to do so would be completely pointless.

The point is: We all need transformation.

And Jesus was quick to point out that it was only those who were sick who need a physician, and it’s only those who admit they are blind that receive healing for their blindness.

The greatest blindness, of course, is not recognizing our own blind spots. If we fail to see ourselves in the outcast, and the poor, and the broken, then we also fail to see Jesus in them as well.

“Whatever you have done for the least of these, you have done it unto me,” Jesus reminds us.

So, we really only love Jesus as much as we love the people around us who are poor, and weak, and hungry, and thirsty, and naked and in prison.

What’s more, we are reminded in the New Testament that we ourselves are equally in need of Jesus and His mercy and grace and healing as anyone – and everyone – else we see:

“Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God?….And that is what some of you were.” [1 Cor. 6:9-11]

We forget that we are no better than anyone else. We are all sinners saved by the same grace. We are all people who are dearly loved of God and in need of His endless mercy.

Refugees and illegal immigrants are people, just like you and me. They love their families. They want to live in peace. They are running from war and oppression and poverty and looking to find a new life here – just the way we would if it was our family – our children – who were starving and dying and in need of safety.

Regardless of what the laws might say, we are answerable to a higher authority. Jesus, our glorious eternal King, commands us to treat everyone – especially the weakest among us – as if they were Him. 

It’s not our job to work out who is most deserving of His mercy. That’s way above our pay grade. Our job is to love everyone we see and to recognize that our King commands us to be extravagant with our love. 

So, do I support illegal immigration? No, I don’t. But I do support loving everyone around me. If those people happen to be illegal immigrants, or refugees, or Muslims, or anything else, my job is to love them as much as I love Jesus.

If you’re following Jesus, it’s your job too.

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Read more:

WSJ ARTICLE HERE

More info:

Special thanks to “Undocumented.tv” for their original research and commentary.

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Keith Giles is a former pastor who left the pulpit 11 years ago to start a church that gives away 100% of the offering to the poor in their community. 

His new book “Jesus Unbound: Liberating the Word of God from the Bible”, is available now on Amazon and features a Foreword by author Brian Zahnd.

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  • Logan

    What about all the inner city crime? What about about the millions of children separated from their parents because of corrupt laws that toss people in prison for next to nothing? What about the corrupt politicians that rape people in taxes to where both parents have to work? What about the foolish wars in the middle east? We cant be fighting wars for other countries and also feed and house the poor and disabled. We would like to help. But evil is everywhere. Everywhere. In our government, our schools, our homes, the media, heck… even churches. Illegal immigration is dangerous for the children of those families. It would be more appropiate to enable them to stabilize their own country, rather than entice them to come here. Why is it that they should have to come here? Why dont we ask: WHY are they leaving? Why do they come here illegally? And if you want to bring Christianity into this, then why does God tell us to obey the authorities He has allowed in power? So technically, endorsing illegal immigration is not only hazardous to the life of the families migrating here, but encourages them to disobey Gods commandments. Im not against immigration. But lets really understand what the real problem is. Instead of saying the symptom is the problem.

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  • Herm

    Logan, what about you? So technically, endorsing your life, as we know it to be tribal, is not only hazardous to your life, but encourages you to disobey God’s commands.

    You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.
    Mark 7:8

    One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

    “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

    There is no commandment greater than these.”

    Mark 12:28-31

    “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

    The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

    Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

    Luke 10:36-37

    Do you really believe that our touted “democracy/republic”, a form or government once defined as “of the people, by the people, for the people” is truly fulfilling the sum of the Old Testament, in everything, do to all others, of mankind and of God, first as you would have all others do to you? Do you carry your cross for the world that God loves, or a sword to divide Man from “them without” to protect what is surely yours? What in the hell have you earned that was not already here? Sorry, I got a bit angry in empathy for those who must escape what was surely theirs by birth, so that their children might live. Holding to a fleeting hope of a life with others, of Man like themselves, who actually know how to love their foreign neighbor as themselves.

    Logan, you wrote, “Why dont we ask: WHY are they leaving?“.

    We do ask. We do know why they are leaving.

    LOVE as in …
    empathy, compassion, forgiveness, tolerance, care, caring, regard, solicitude, concern, friendliness, friendship, kindness, charity, goodwill, sympathy, kindliness, altruism, unselfishness, philanthropy, benevolence, fellow feeling, humanity, …
    …first as you would have all others of mankind LOVE you.

    The following are only a few of the recent answers we know, for certain, as to why “they“, those others than you and yours, are leaving the birthright that they and theirs might live, just live:

    https://www.unrefugees.org/emergencies/central-america/

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/column-family-honduran-understand-people-fleeing/story?id=58686760

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/alternatives-thousands-flee-honduras-bound-caravan-181016193005484.html

    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/central-americas-violent-northern-triangle

    God does not “tell us to obey the authorities He has allowed in power“. God, Jesus, tells us, his students (disciples) always, to hate all forms of divisive authoritarianism that separate us from the love of all Man. He tells us to unite in following him, by accepting each our own crime of blasphemy judged by disagreeable authorities in power, to rebelliously claim our inheritance as children of God who, as one, loves the entire world, as one world.

    Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

    Luke 14:25-27

    Most of your list of the United States of America’s failures cannot be blamed on undocumented immigrants, but can be blamed on those of us citizens who do not care for others, most often beyond each self and/or family. What we do know, is that most of the 4 to 7 thousand immigrants coming our way, in “the caravan”, and most who have had their children taken from them at our border, only to be rejected with or without their children, are actually covered within the definition of our empathetic laws determining right of asylum, even if they first might cross the border illegally because they were rejected without due process. You see, we do know in answer to your question, “Why do they come here illegally?

    I actually do hurt for you, as much as undocumented immigrants, really. You scream the woes of our nation’s lack of respect that all of Man, throughout the world, are created equal, “that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness“. Oh, woe is you, for your, as a citizen (?), clear and understandable tirade represents more the problem than it does only an emotional symptom.

    We’ve actually been gifted all the resources we need, as stewards, to support the whole world to live. We, of an other descent, immigrated to conquer (illegally, relative to the golden rule) a relatively balanced, native American land to impose our definition of self-centered civility as most righteous by all we selfishly knew. You, today, would deny others, of whom come to escape certain death (physically, spiritually, and/or socially) for theirs first and themselves second, because, in your mind and heart, “technically, endorsing illegal immigration is not only hazardous to the life of the families migrating here, but encourages them to disobey Gods commandments“. You do disobey God’s commands but only if you wish to be one of their children.

    Immigrants, undocumented or not, are a blessing when they do to others as they would have others do to them, and we find it within our hearts and minds to reciprocate in kind. Acting as a government of the people, by the people and for the people of the United States of America (the authorities God has allowed in power) to determine immigration acceptance, or rejection, of others on that basis alone is fully within obedience to God’s commands, Prophets and Law. Is that, possibly, a beginning to the solution you seek to constructively become a part of as, also, “A Blessing From God“?

  • John

    The system is clearly broken, and when money is involved, those who benefit don’t often want to fix the system. Still, I’m for both enforcing a sane border policy as any country has a responsibility to do, and I am for extending grace and help to undocumented persons. There should be a fair path to citizenship as well. Too bad sanity is not a part of this equation, from any side of the political aisle.

  • The Mouse Avenger

    What a wonderful article! 😀 I’m going to share this with everyone I know! ^_^

  • Markus R

    We’re we a nation in which all property was private, I would have no problem with unrestricted immigration. However, we are a nation in which a large part of the economy is based upon involuntary taxation to fund benefits and welfare. I cannot in good conscience support any program or policy which would steal from my neighbor, as God hates theft.

    This does not mean we can, as individuals, stick our head in the sand. As God calls us to help the poor through personal mercy, we should do so. Personal mercy cannot entail me voting for supporting the forcing of my neighbor to give of his resources through the force of law.

  • Herm

    You do realize that there is no nation on earth that does not tax its citizen’s, right? The revolutionary war was fought over the premise of taxation without representation, not no taxation. You must be great in clubs that require dues.

    God doesn’t call “us to help the poor through personal mercy” because it is simply a nice gesture. God loves and calls all of mankind to pay attention to their whole body as one. If your foot is ailing the rest of your body has to step up to help it heal that the entire body can be its very best.

    On this earth we are not a Honduras mankind as versus a USA mankind, we are one mankind, presently riddled with cancerous members.

    Were we a nation in which all property was private“, without taxation, it would be one property war against the other for there would be no government of constitutional laws and enforcement for the community good, supported by involuntary taxation. Children would fight among themselves for who gets the property when mom and dad dies. Those who lose are kicked off the property for having a bad attitude, only to survive by offering themselves up for indentured servitude to another property owner.

    Markus, your “ good conscience“, “based upon involuntary taxation to fund benefits and welfare“, “which would steal from my neighbor“, is self-centered, childish bullshit. Your divine justification being predicated on “as God hates theft” is usurping authority that is not yours to wield.

    Your attitude implies that you might like the community services of regulated highways, fire departments, regulated power and communication services and regulated protective services (police, military) all supported through “involuntary taxation” because they each serve you when you might be in need. You just don’t want the safety nets (health and economic) that are support through “involuntary taxation” because they each don’t serve you now, but might support an other of mankind.

    You truly represent a cancer cell, unintentionally I’m reasonably sure as is true with all cancers, to the body of Man, because you think you are doing what’s right, in your own self protective mind and heart, when, in fact, you are only serving yourself while destroying the body functions, not like you, within your affecting influence. When the body around you dies, the one host you were dependent upon to live, you die.

    I carry my cross that my host body of mankind, in the flesh, might live after me, according to my Father’s will. That makes more sense to my heart and mind, even should I not live after with, and in, the Spirit of God forever. I love and value this one opportunity in the flesh because others taxed themselves to provide for me when I was incapable of doing so for myself. You might reconsider your attitude to fully encompass, in love, the host that makes your awareness and influence possible.

  • Markus R

    Sir, your comments are anything but respectful, much less loving. We clearly see the Bible and the Gospel very differently.

  • Herm

    your comments are anything but respectful, much less loving

    … than what?

  • Dennis

    Keith Giles: The caravan of people on their way to enter the US illegally from Mexico is not made up of a majority of able-bodied workers who want to work, as you appear to assume in your stats. There are a lot of women and children who would immediately go on welfare if allowed to enter. There are also probably a lot of criminals. I agree with you and the WSJ that “very few Americans are content to endure the long hours required of agricultural work.” That is why we need immigrants with green cards to work in America. But you try to make your case based on what Christians should do. The U.S. is not a theocracy. We need policies that are best for America as a nation, not to satisfy your view of what Jesus wants us to do. As a Christian, you can invest time and money into charities and missionary efforts that are in line with your beliefs instead of making U.S. policies conform to your beliefs.

  • Markus R

    Thanks for confirming my post.

  • Herm

    I don’t believe you understand your post! … “much less loving” than what, toward whom?

    However, we are a nation in which a large part of the economy is based upon involuntary taxation to fund benefits and welfare.

    What does that have to do with immigration, especially for those, of your fellow Man, who seek asylum from certain death, and no hope for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for the children and/or themselves?

    According to Jesus, in the Gospels you attempt to intimidate with, the merciful “Good Samaritan” (no different in relationship than a Palestinian today) was a neighbor to the Jew, each to be loved as each himself. Both nations had involuntary taxation.

    This is a nation touting a democratic/republic governed of the people, by the people and for the people. Today, it is true that we, as a nation governing, have moved toward a theocratic plutocracy supporting a narcissist seeking an autocracy. Jesus, the Christ, supports a benevolent dictatorship ruled by his Father’s will advocating a completely classless society, where the government controls all means of production and distribution of goods for eternity.

    What have you earned that was not already loaned to you as an opportunity to be a good steward of? What do you expect to take with you after you leave the flesh? How many in this world have less than you for no fault of their own?

    Personal mercy cannot entail me voting for supporting the forcing of my neighbor to give of his resources through the force of law.

    Let your neighbor make her/his vote count to determine taxation by representation. Don’t use your neighbor to cover your greed!

  • Markus R

    You certainly have every right to your opinion that the majority should be able to steal from the minority by vote. I don’t agree, obviously.

    The modern state that you extol has been responsible for more death of its own citizens firing the last 100 years than have died in wars.

    As for applying the Bible in regards to charity and the treatment of aliens, you need to apply it consistently. Under God’s law charity is mercy, and therefore cannot be forced. Under God’s law, the forceful redistribution of wealth is wrong.

    All Christians are called to charity and mercy, first to each other and then to their neighbor. We are also called to God’s justice, not the modern concept of social justice. And above all things we see the salvation of others.

    You are certainly free to help aliens. How many will you be housing in your home and feeding?

  • Herm

    Dennis, you don’t really understand why we have United States of America and United Nation agreed upon rules (and laws) governing right of asylum, do you? … including for “a lot of women and children” escaping certain death (physical, mental, social and/or spiritual) if they remain in the land of their birth.

    We need policies that are best for America as a nation, not to satisfy your view of what Jesus wants us to do. As a Christian, you can invest time and money into charities and missionary efforts that are in line with your beliefs instead of making U.S. policies conform to your beliefs.

    Apparently, what was best for the United States of America was clearly the majority of immigrants, who escaped with nothing but what they could carry, whose progeny make up the foundation of our productive workforce today. Women and men can be just as able-bodied to provide for their children. Men and women immigrate and have immigrated, with and without green cards, to perform “agricultural work” without the vast majority going on welfare.

    In my opinion, you need to reconsider just where your heart is, Christian or not!

    P.S.

    Contrary to the fear tactics of our present day politics, immigrants (legal, illegal and/or undocumented), represent far less, per capita, of our in country terrorism and crime than does our self-centered, spoiled citizens of birth. Those who don’t give a damn about those born less fortunate, or covet those more fortunate.

  • Herm

    Under God’s law, the forceful redistribution of wealth is wrong.”

    Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

    “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

    “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”

    “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

    Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

    When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

    Matthew 19:16-22

    Well, Marcus, “Under God’s law” my Father will not force you to give up your wealth. Where is your treasure?

    The sum of the Law and the Prophets is in everything do to all others, first, as you would have all others do to you. I would guess that you have no empathy for those others, all created equal, escaping threats to their, and their’s, life, liberty and pursuit of happiness that is the foundation of you Declaration of Independence.

    You don’t understand the love of God for all mankind, that Christ exampled in the flesh, that includes empathy, compassion, forgiveness, mercy, tolerance, care, caring, regard, solicitude, concern, friendliness, friendship, kindness, charity, goodwill, sympathy, kindliness, altruism, unselfishness, philanthropy, benevolence, fellow feeling, humanity, ….

    Under God’s law charity is mercy, and therefore cannot be forced.

    More, sanctimonious self-centered bullshit!

    “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

    John 14:15-21

    When the Spirit of truth lives with you and is in you, forever, without pause, mercy, charity and empathy (love) for the world is continual as it is with our, children of God’s, Father. This is real and not some conjecture from the study of God by the theologians of your church.

    This is what it takes, no less, to be accepted as a student (disciple) of the Messiah, today as was it when witnessed to:

    Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

    Luke 14:25-27

    I do carry my own cross. I do help all others to house and feed as I am led, of which, none are alien to me because they are all equally loved members of mankind, gifted the image of God.

    I really don’t understand what you are trying to say by;

    The modern state that you extol has been responsible for more death of its own citizens firing the last 100 years than have died in wars.

  • Dennis

    I’m tired of hearing the argument that America was built on immigration, so let’s not stop it now. In the immigration to America in the late 1800s and early 1900s, America needed workers to build America and didn’t have to worry about things like criminals, drugs, strain on medical infrastructure and welfare, and the fact that people need to get in line if they want American citizenship. You can’t just let caravans of immigrants come into our country without restrictions. Obama and Clinton made statements like this, not just Trump.

    “reconsider where you heart is?” My heart is keeping this country strong and secure by Trump’s strong immigration policies, security measures, and putting America first.

  • Markus R

    Sigh. The scriptures must be interpreted by Scripture and context cannot be thrown out the window. If you want to understand the parable if the rich young ruler then understand that Jesus was confronting him concerning his claims to righteousness and revealing to him that he could not even keep the first commandment (as is true for all of us). The Old Testament makes clear what God requires of justice and mercy.

    As for the death of 100 million people in the 20th century, that’s a conservative estimate if the number of citizens of socialist/communist nations that were killed by their own governments.

    I’m glad that you desire to help illegal aliens. Please do it without my money.

    Am I unsympathetic? No. There are far more poor and hurting people in this world than any of us can take care of. Some are poor for no fault of their own. Some are poor because of their lifestyles. I differentiate when I show mercy. With the Bible I say, he who dies not work shall not eat.

    My current choice for mercy is the local pregnancy crisis center and persecuted Christians in other countries, among others, and the deacons fund in my church. Better than helping illegal aliens? No.

    What I won’t do is try to apply the teaching if Jesus to modern movements of social justice (social Marxism). Jesus did not come to end poverty. He cane to save sinners. He did not come to reform governments. He cane to reform my heart. When he comes again he will come in judgement and to initiate the renewal of creation. All suffering for God’s elect will end.

  • Herm

    Oh, the blind leading the blind!

    Your stripes and allegiance is showing. The Law and the Prophets are in reference to the Old Testament. The Law being the law of Moses, the first five books of the Old Testament, the only scripture studied by the Sadducee (which Caiaphas, the high priest was one. The Prophets being, the rest of scripture as was studied by the Pharisees and the teachers of the law (scribes), including the Law.

    So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

    Matthew 7:12

    Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    Matthew 22:37-40

    The Messiah teaches that “The Old Testament” in no way makes clear what God requires of justice and mercy, not according to the sum of the Old Testament, and all that the Old Testament hangs on.

    This from my Lord with all authority in heaven and on earth:

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

    Matthew 5:38-42

    This is from the Law, which in no way agrees with my Lord:

    “ ‘Anyone who takes the life of a human being is to be put to death. Anyone who takes the life of someone’s animal must make restitution—life for life. Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury. Whoever kills an animal must make restitution, but whoever kills a human being is to be put to death. You are to have the same law for the foreigner and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.’ ”

    Leviticus 24:17-22

    Which LORD your God do you follow to understand God’s justice and mercy?

    Why do you associate me with extolling socialist/communist nations ruled by authoritarians? Are you aware that social security, medicare, interstate highways, police departments, and fire departments are all socialist, not capitalist?

    Or are, you speaking to the form of government all children of God are ruled by?

    He cane to save sinners” from what and to do what?

    Your heart is far from reformed to love your enemy as does my Father:

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    Matthew 5:43-48

    As far as 2 Thessalonians is concerned that has nothing at all to do with immigrants, legal, illegal, undocumented or seeking asylum.

  • Herm

    Dennis, I’m tired of hearing lies. Fear mongering to circle the wagons from invisible enemies is isolationism at its worst. No one wins because this is a world economy dependent upon the efforts of all of one mankind who constructively and productively shares to build the whole of Man and defend each other from tyrants and authoritarianism. We expanded as a nation most rapidly when we opened ourselves to the world good at the end of the 1940’s. Your spirit is no less destructive than was the prevailing isolationist spirit of the 1930’s. You are wrong and duped by the art of the con!

  • Dennis

    You and Bernie Sanders make a good pair. When you figure out how to pay for the flood of immigrants without bankrupting cities taking them in, let me know.

  • Herm

    You really aren’t able to conceived of over a population of over 350 million being able to take in a mere 7,000 able bodied and motivated human beings. I guess you are happy, as one of the 1% who got their tax cuts, to facilitate dismantling the safety nets, that the GOP has promised since the 1930’s. Bye, bye New Deal!

  • Dennis

    7,000 able-bodied people? How do you arrive at that number? How do you know they will work once they get into the U.S.? How do you know they will make enough money to support their families so that they will not have to go on welfare? Also, once the word gets out that the U.S. will take any and all immigrants, as you envision, then the floodgates will open. You will have 100s of thousands of people flooding into the U.S.

  • Markus R

    I believe in exegesis, not eisegesis. And I won’t continue in a discussion that is disrespectful. Good night, Sir.

  • Herm

    Are you kidding? How do I know you make enough money to support your family? The floodgates have not opened, and we’ve been accepting immigrants for centuries, especially for asylum. It is Trump who spreads the fears of aliens, especially Muslim aliens, with brown aliens a close second, spreading terrorism, gang warfare and murder throughout our nation.

  • Dennis

    “How do I know that I make enough money to support family?” I do, but that’s not my point. I am a U.S. citizen. Immigrants are not. You missed my point on floodgates. You would open them by allowing your 7,000 people. I frankly don’t know what you are getting at. What is your ideal immigration policy? What immigrants would you allow or disallow…or would you allow everybody to enter? You criticize Trump, but Obama and Clinton stated that we can’t let everyone in.

  • Herm

    What meaning can you draw from the following?

    “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

    John 16:12-15

    After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly. All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

    Acts 4:31-35

    It’s not a guess, you, by your fruit, don’t have the Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit, living with and in you that you, too, can boldly speak the word of God. Theologians only know God from their study of scripture. Children of God, disciples of the Messiah in them and they in the Messiah, know God as their divine family.

    You feel disrespected because:

    You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

    John 5:39-40

    Jesus, the Christ, is real, alive and exercising his full authority in heaven and on earth, today, for all children of God born of the Spirit. There is no worship of God authorized by him, especially as the high priest forever, in the flesh. But your deacon didn’t tell you that.

    You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

    John 4:22-24

    I only draw out the meaning from a text as led by my one Teacher, as instructed by my one Instructor, in accordance with my one Father’s will.

    “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

    Matthew 23:8-12

  • Herm

    We have to be discerning in our love of our fellows of mankind, but never a zero tolerance policy taking children to dissuade mothers and fathers from escaping certain starvation, death, slavery, gang subjugation and other inhumane consequences for remaining where they were born. The Muslims, that were taking two years to vet, some who aided the USA in war, were never a threat to the safety and well being of our nation.

    This is a bit outdated, as it is from 2017, but it is not “fake” news and is statistical fact.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/25/mapped-many-immigrants-does-america-get-do-actually-come/

    Immigration into the US remained at roughly the same level over Obama’s presidency, at around one million people per year. His administration was focused on enforcement efforts along the border, with deportations increasing under Obama – they peaked at 410,000 in 2012.

    The “caravan” began with 4,000 people and has, since entering Mexico, grown to a possible 7,000. At a 2,740 averaged per day the present caravan number would take us less than three days to process.

    Under Trump/Sessions legitimate and legal claims for asylum were turned back, too often without their children. That is heartless and void of deserved empathy for people, fellow human beings, seeking only to live and, maybe, with a little more liberty and in pursuit of happiness that they were being denied in their nation of birth. All three were provably threatened if they remained; life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Do you feel threatened enough to motivate you to leave all you know and walk over 2,000 miles holding on to a slim hope that you might find relative safety for you and yours?

    When you finish the 2,000 mile southern wall are you ready to begin the 5,500 mile northern wall? Yes, illegal immigrants are passing through that border, also. And, what about the 95,400 miles of shoreline, after that? Trump has bankrupted too many people, while conning too many people, for any sane person, who is discerning, to follow him into keeping all the presidential usurpers from Kenya out of the good ole’ United States of America.

    You sleep on that!

  • Markus R

    What meaning do I get from your writing? I see a man desperate to shape scripture to his worldview, who believes that God has given him the ability to interpret scripture beyond and contrary to orthodox belief. I do not see any understanding of the Bible as a whole nor do I see the primacy of the Gospel that saves sinners. I see knowledge without wisdom. And, with your comments about worship, I see a false teacher.

  • Herm

    Then use your exegesis to explain why you didn’t just call Jesus, the Christ, a liar in what you deny of his quotes found in the gospel of John chapters 14 through 16.

    Perhaps, while you’re searching, you can interpret this in our quest for truth, please:

    You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

    Romans 8:9-11

    Is the Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead living in you, as Jesus promised he would in John 14:15-21?

    Is the Spirit of truth personally guiding you into all truth, as Jesus promised he would in John 16:12-15?

    You are aware the New Testament wasn’t available for all those who spoke the word of God, that was testified to in the New Testament, aren’t you? You do know that thousands died professing the word of God, without raising a sword in defense, before the New Testament scriptures, don’t you?

    My Teacher is not false. I only repeat what he has taught me in my heart and mind of spirit, that was once only an image of God, now as a sibling student of Jesus.

    I didn’t ask what meaning you get from my writing, utilizing your exegesis skills. I was asking what meaning you get from John 16:12-15 in support of Acts 4:31-35 with a critical explanation.

    I critically accept John 4:22-24 as meant exactly as quoted from the mouth of Jesus.

    You seem to miss that without the Holy Spirit living with and in you forever, without pause, you cannot be free from sin, saved. The Good News, was not Jesus paying your price for sin of the cross, but was the Advocate, the one appearing as a dove to fill (baptize) Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth available to fill (whelm, baptize) you as he did Jesus, to guide you into all truth as he led the Christ into the wilderness to begin his ministry, speaking the word of God boldly.

    Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

    Romans 8:1-4

    I am preparing as a senior adult of Man to die to my flesh on earth, while simultaneously, born of the Spirit, I am learning to live in the kingdom as a little know nothing child of God today and forever more. My one Teacher promises to never leave me orphaned past the end of eternity.

    If you had the Spirit of Christ living with and in you this moment, you could not possibly hoard your graced life behind the self protectionist guise of “involuntary taxation to fund benefits and welfare” for others in need, as you would surely want others, alien (Samaritan) or not, to support you in need.

  • Markus R

    We cannot meaningful discuss scripture when we obviously disagree as to what scripture that is. All scripture is God breathed. The first century church had scripture. Jesus had scripture, read from them and said that they were about him.

    The scriptures…all of them…are the words of the Son, who is the Word. The Old Testament did not become obsolete but it’s true meaning is revealed in the New Testament.

    The scriptures are authoritative and sufficient. We have the Spirit to illumine our hearts and teach us…..the scriptures. If you want to hear God speaking to you, read them out loud.

    No, I don’t believe that socialism = Christianity. But I pay my taxes and honor rulers and authorities because scripture commands me to. No, I do not worship the state.

  • Dennis

    You say “We have to be discerning in our love of our fellows of mankind, but never a zero tolerance policy.” That is hardly a concrete immigration policy. We have people already going through the process to enter the US before the caravan started. So I wouldn’t want to put impulse caravan people in front of those who are trying to enter the US by legitimate means. I hope people espousing your views never get elected to office. You sleep on that!

  • Herm

    But I pay my taxes and honor rulers and authorities because scripture commands me to. No, I do not worship the state.

    So, by your own admission, in omitting that the heavenly Father and the Son command you, then you don’t see the Spirit of truth, to accept him to live with and in you forever.

    Please, bear with me here as I, and God, try to appeal to your adult responsible discernment and logic. You are loved, really loved.

    Do you know what the word “scripture” means, throughout the Bible?

    Greek Strong’s Number: 1124
    Greek Word: γραφή
    Transliteration: graphē
    Root: of uncertain affinity
    Cross Reference: TDNT – 1:749,128
    Part of Speech: n f
    Vine’s Words: Scripture
    English Words used in KJV:
    scripture 51
    [Total Count: 51]
    from (grapho); a document, i.e. holy Writ (or its contents or a statement in it) :- scripture.
    Strong’s Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

    Greek Strong’s Number: 1125
    Greek Word: γράφω
    Transliteration: graphō
    Root: a root word
    Cross Reference: TDNT – 1:742,128
    Part of Speech: v
    Vine’s Words: Describe, Write, Wrote, Written
    English Words used in KJV:
    write 206
    writing 1
    describe 1
    vr write 1
    [Total Count: 209]
    a primary verb; to “grave”, especially to write; figurative to describe :- describe, write (-ing, -ten).
    Strong’s Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

    Moses didn’t begin to write Genesis until 1,320 years before the birth of Christ. The Hebrew Bible was not canonized more than 140 years before the birth of Christ. It has been over 1,950 years since the ascension of Christ.

    Do you honestly believe that God has not “breathed” any further scripture in the last 1,900 years? Do you, in your heart, truly believe that God can’t breath (Strong’s definition below) documents, holy writ, today, especially through the Internet that can potentially reach all nations?

    This is the definition for the phrase “God breathed” as written in 2 Timothy 3:16:

    Greek Strong’s Number: 2315
    Greek Word: θεόπνευστος
    Transliteration: theopneustos
    Phonetic Pronunciation:theh-op’-nyoo-stos
    Root: from and a presumed derivative of
    Cross Reference: TDNT – 6:453,876
    Part of Speech: adj
    Vine’s Words: Inspiration of God, Inspired of God
    English Words used in KJV:
    given by inspiration of God 1
    [Total Count: 1]
    from (theos) and a presumed derivative of (pneo); divinely breathed in :- given by inspiration of God.
    Strong’s Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

    This is my testimony, peculiar to my witness, that is God breathed scripture and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

    I was sprinkled, immersed, trained, ordained and authorized by two different corporate Christian sects to administer the sacraments according to each regulating theology. The Holy Spirit worked with me as I ministered, each time I invited him to do so. My life has been full of divine intervention and inspiration. I have been directly inspired by God beginning when I saw his hand at work in my community at the age of 17. I know all the cliches’ of christianeze, so I recognize that you are not being actively commanded by God, but by your church and/or flesh family directing you to “scripture” that supports their authority, not Jesus’.

    I was 50 years of age before I accepted to be a little newborn child of God, my heart, soul, strength, mind of spirit (the gifted image of God, who is spirit, for all mankind that I am responsible to) whelmed (filled, baptized) by the Holy Spirit, promised forever. It was after that that I was led to understand the Old and New Testament from God’s perspective as taught me by the Spirit of truth as I could bear. None of the scripture, of which none were taken out of context, that I shared with you were taken in seminary, in corporate church authoritative counsel/council, or spouted from any pulpit as actual reality, but as God’s magic (my words) we aren’t able to understand, holier than you or I.

    God is not magic. God is real. God is available. God is not flesh. God is spirit. God is a plurality, one in all and all in one (it’s a spirit thing, not magic or beyond the comprehension of any within, that can’t be done in the flesh), united, bound together in awareness and influence (kinetic eternal life) by all love of each heart, soul, strength, mind within.

    Mankind is a plurality of splintered awareness and influence, bound as one species of animal on earth, each dying member dependent upon social empathy (love) for strength in unity, and sexual propagation for longevity of life (awareness and influence) for the body of mankind.

    I am not asking you to meaningfully discuss scripture, though there is much meaning to be gleaned, in the 1,900 year old document bound as the Christian Bible. I am asking you to go directly to God. Address him/them by any name you know that he will surely hear you, if truly have faith that God/Allah/Deity/Father/Jesus/Spirit of God exists. I testify that they do really exist for you to seek, knock and ask, if that helps motivate you. Come as a know nothing child seeking life that no relationship of flesh can give you or support you through eternity. It will be given to you. Then, and only then, will you find salvation from the confusion, intimidation, manipulation, coercion, and subjugation of the modern day Pharisees and teachers of the law, who only know of God by way of their interpretive study of scripture. A child of God, born of the Spirit, does not study God, they each are of God. Do you remember, as an infant of the flesh, studying your family of flesh, dependent upon documents for inspired commands to do according to your parents’ will? … neither does a child of God today or ever!

    You have been duped, as was I even through extensive education and applied experience, if you insist that, “The scriptures…all of them…are the words of the Son, who is the Word.

    My Teacher has already pointed out to you, where the Son disagreed, quoted in New Testament scripture, with scripture found in the Old Testament (Matthew 5:38-42 contrasted with Leviticus 24:17-22). Let’s ask for another example drawn from God breathed scripture:

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    Matthew 5:43-48

    If only you, God, would slay the wicked! Away from me, you who are bloodthirsty! They speak of you with evil intent; your adversaries misuse your name. Do I not hate those who hate you, LORD, and abhor those who are in rebellion against you? I have nothing but hatred for them; I count them my enemies. Search me, God, and know my heart; test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if there is any offensive way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

    Psalm 139:19-24

    You are not left, nor has any of Man for the last 1,900 years, without a source for truth if you only accept the Bible as documented testimony, and not inerrant, of the author’s inspired relationship with God.

    I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

    John 16:12-13

    We students (disciples), who now know the earth is not flat and that all the heavens do not revolve around us (just as an example), can now bear to learn much more from our one Instructor, the Messiah, than could his students when he told them there was more than they could bear. The truth is that there will always be more before me that I am not ready to bear throughout my awareness and influence spanning eternity. The truth is that Jesus has not stopped instructing any of his sibling students, and never will.

    There is only one church flock that is in unity and they are of administered by the high priest forever. The one Shepherd’s voice is all they listen to for guidance.

    Enough for today. This is more than you can bear. Hopefully, you can review all that has been shared with you through the last week’s God breathed Internet scripture. If that is, also, too much for you bear in this moment of your life, then simply invite the Holy Spirit to share the truth with you, without my influence, your carnal family of flesh’s influence, or your church family of flesh’s influence. Utilize your gifted image of God, spirit influence and awareness, to seek, knock and ask God directly. Only relationship is sacred to my heavenly Father, my brother and Lord Jesus, and my one Teacher living with and in me now and forever, without pause, for spoken and written words are only a tool for the species of mankind to communicate with one another. God, all of God, and all inspired to document their relationship with God only communicate with God in the Spirit. I repeat, you are truly loved, just as you are!

  • Herm

    I sleep on what, that you hope people espousing my views never get elected to office? This coming from a Trump disciple? Oh, the nightmares! “BODY SLAM”!!!

  • Dennis

    You and the media are fixated on Trump’s body slam comments. He was half-joking and half-entertaining to his audience. Concentrate on his policies.

  • Herm

    … oh, such inspiration to punch em’ in the face … or demean political opponents as evil and locked up … just to half-joke and half-entertain his audience … with lies!!!

  • Markus R

    We’ve gone as far as we can. We see scripture very differently. To me it is without error in truth in the original languages and it is not being added to. I am a credal and confessional Christian who believes the Bible is the inspired, authoritative and inerrant Word if God. It is Truth. No need to discuss this further. As for yourself, you need to repent and worship the true God. Good day.

  • Herm

    As a child of God, there are no creeds nor denominational confessions. Which creed and/or which denominational confession do you pledge your allegiance to?

  • JimboFlex

    Mr. Giles I have to disagree with you.

    Helping the poor has to first start with economics. That means importing a class of people to compete against the poorest among us isn’t simply counterproductive, it’s abusive. God has picked us in our time and place to help the poor in our local vicinity. How can you do that if the native poor who you need to pay minimum wage is competing against the undocumented poor who will be exploited at 1/3 of minimum wage.

  • jekylldoc

    Jimbo – you make good points, but Mr. Giles did not contradict them. He agrees with the law, but is arguing for a more respectful, nuanced perspective about the immigrants. It’s also true that protecting low-wage workers from competition is not the only way to help them, or necessarily the most careful of their dignity. We don’t have to set one against the other, even though there is some competition.

    Consider the Earned Income Tax Credit, which helps make it worthwhile for low-wage workers to accept a low-wage job rather than keep looking for better. It has been a monster success – probably responsible for the budget surplus in the Clinton years. What if that was backed up with community development funds in areas with concentrations of low-wage jobs, and long-term training for people who would like to become more skilled? People who want to make us afraid are often secretly busy with divide-and-rule.

  • JimboFlex

    Jekllydoc – I haven’t looked into that closely but I will dig around to see what I can learn.

    I am hesitant to put to much faith into the Earned Income Tax Credits because it puts a lot of reliance on business to be above board with their hiring practices. After working with corporate America for 20 years, they are the last group I expect to do the right thing. Exploitation of labor to reduce cost is simply to tempting for them.

  • jekylldoc

    Well, the EITC is paid to the employee at tax time – the worker has to file, but there is no reliance on employers except that they give a W-2 form. It was one of the great bipartisan successes of the 90s, and the equivalent program in Britain had the same effect of putting the budget on a sound footing.

  • jekylldoc

    I think personal acts of mercy are great. I agree with you, though, that we also need to look after the body.

  • Barros Serrano

    Clearly extending all workplace protections to ALL workers solves this. Illegal workers can be used to drive down wages precisely because of their illegality. Legalize all those here now and things will change quickly, to the benefit of citizen workers, immigrant workers, and the national deficit.

  • Barros Serrano

    The “taxation is theft” argument is stale and fascist.

    You complain about welfare but nothing about corporate giveaways, all the programs which benefit the rich, not to mention the military budget.

    You are simply making a fancy excuse for your apathy toward the poor. Without tax money used for social programs, however, we’d be back 150 years ago with old people freezing in the winter, children hungry in the streets, etc.

    Your conservative canard falls VERY flat.

  • Barros Serrano

    Snarky nasty piece of work, ain’tcha…

    What are YOU doing to help anyone? I suspect you’re guilty of tax evasion. Let’s hope you’re indicted for that.

    I can only hope that you become destitute and understand what it’s like to receive no help, only abuse. You certainly deserve to experience that. I sincerely hope that the coming year finds you homeless and hungry, as you deserve.

  • Barros Serrano

    Guess what… we WILL help immigrants, and we’ll do it with your tax money or you’ll be in prison for tax evasion.

    You have no sympathy, obviously, though if the immigrants in question were WHITE no doubt your tune would change.

    Your opposition to social justice reveals you as a GOAT, as per Matthew 25. You should read it. Again, so you understand that your posts are the BLEATINGS of a goat.

    You are supporting that JESUS be treated as the Trumpolini Administration is treating refugees. You will get your “reward” for this evil in your soul, but I would much rather see you destitute now so you’ll all the sooner realize just how depraved you are…

    But, “justice is mine, saeth the Lord”, so I don’t get to adjudicate your punishment. But you will be punished, you can count on that. I’m not Christian, so in my opinion you will be reincarnated likely as a cockroach in Mumbai, or even better, a woman in Pakistan… yes, that would suit you just fine.

  • Barros Serrano

    Coward

  • Barros Serrano

    The term “Christofascist” could have been invented for YOU.

  • Barros Serrano

    Well, clearly Jesus would vote Democratic. Demosocialism I think would be the best system on earth in conforming to Jesus’ teachings. As in Germany, Denmark, Canada, etc. The U$A? More like the evil Roman Empire as it currently stands.

    You think you’re adhering to scripture? Then read Matthew 25. Goat.

  • Markus R

    Thank you. You’ve done more than I could have ever done to reveal the heart of socialism and Marxism.

  • Herm

    Your politics really don’t speak to the government of he with all authority on earth and in heaven, for all children of God born of the Spirit. Jesus, “clearly”, speaks to a benevolent dictatorship as “the best system on earth” and in heaven, as established and moderated by our heavenly Father’s will.

    Even the most constructive democracies will eventually fail, socialist or capitalist, when most of the voters are ill informed and/or choose not to vote. Majority rule by elected representation collapses when, in everything, its citizens of the people, for the people, and by the people do not do to others as they would have others do to them.

    I do not profess to represent truthfully, and in detail, scripture. As it is written:

    You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

    John 5:39-40

    The scripture that I do testify to as the Gospel truth, founded upon my own personal experience, is found in the book of John chapters 4, 14-16 relative to the Spirit of truth. The Shepherd is in me and I am in the Shepherd.

  • Barros Serrano

    Yes I have indeed shown the good heart of demosocialism.

    I correctly identified you as a fascist.

    I correctly demolished your anti-welfare whine.

    I correctly called you on the un-Christian apathy of the Right toward anyone suffering.

    And YOU gave us yet another object lesson in the intellectual and moral bankrupcy of the Right!

    Good job, toadie!

  • Markus R

    Sure. You’ve got “good heart” written all over your virtue signaling posts. Marxism will work this time, right? Those 100 million that died at the hands of their own government during the 20th century were just necessary cleansing of the non-compliant, right?

  • Barros Serrano

    Can the smartass, facha boy. I am not preaching Marxism, but demosocialism, which is not Marxist. Ask a Marxist if he thinks today’s Germany, Canada, France or Australia are “Marxist”.

    You are abysmally ignorant and a spewer of ultra-right propaganda which is no less than evil.

    Virtue-signalling? A new cliche on the right. Means nothing, but by saying that they can pretend that they can HURT the poor, be sexist and racist, and it’s ok, because the Left thinks we’re superior on those grounds… just more utter bulldooky from the connedservative dupes of the GOP corporate-interest agency.

    The deaths in the 20th century were caused by authoritarian dictators: Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Franco, Mussolini, Pinochet… and many others, most of them dictators installed by the West (U$A, UK and France) to preserve corporate profits in poor countries. In Guatemala Reagan’s death squads tortured and killed 250,000 in the 80’s. Suharto killed a million within a year of taking power in a CIA-engineered coup.

    You are on the side of vile murderers and exploiters. Lots of blood on YOUR hands, boy! None on mine, as I support demosocialists who haven’t killed anyone.

    Lying fascist traitor.

  • Markus R

    My, you’ve got the world figured out, don’t you? And you are a keyboard terrorist, to boot.

    But you’ve jumped into a post about God’s blessings and said you aren’t a Christian. Do you believe in God? (Che Guevara doesn’t count as God, BTW).

  • Barros Serrano

    Yes, I am quite astute, far more intelligent than you, and worth listening to. You, on the other hand, say nothing of value, and support evil. How proud you must be. Did your parents raise you to be an ignorant racist traitor? Generally that is the case.

    I am not a Christian. I am not an atheist. WHY would I worship Ché Guevara, a human with a very flawed praxis. Why don’t you come to Cville and in person throw some of those idiotic commie insults at me and see where your verbal hate crimes get you?

    So, little boy, can the smartass and try making a cogent argument. If you are claiming to be a CHristian, you are then precisely part of the reason so many are abandoning the churches. Methinks Jesus is displeased with your snarky BS, boy!

  • Markus R

    Cville? Ah, that explains much. My condolences. Still wet behind the ears and following in the footsteps of Narcissus. No doubt you write your posts, stick in your thumb and pull out a plum, and say, “What a good boy am I!”

    Be patient and take heart—with time you may actually stop depending on others for a living and learn how to be a man. First step will require you to stop blaming others for your failures in life and to stop seeing the violence of the state as your savior. As a suggestion from a very old man, drop the term racism—it only reveals that you see yourself as a victim and victims are powerless. Second, avoid trying to hide your Marxist desires with the meaningless hybrid term, demosocialism. Just be honest and say that you hate greedy capitalists and you are convinced that everyone with any morals and sanity agrees with you (and if not, well, you’ve got ways of dealing with them, principally the forced redistribution of their weakth with taxation at gunpoint).

    I was so hoping there was something novel lurking in your thoughts. Alas, there really is nothing new under the sun. Greed and envy never change, nor do the hearts of foolish young men.

  • Barros Serrano

    What an insufferable smartass… and be assured little boy I do not suffer fools lightly. You speak of nothing here but me… and all bs insults. Again, come to Cville, and if you think you know what a man is, boy, act like one and spew your nonsense in person.

    I am not a Marxist, boy. Demosocialism is the system of all other developed nations. You only display your fascist ignorance by not understanding it. The Danes, Germans, French, Israelis… all know very well what it means. The difference is that you are abysmally ignorant, know nothing, and are too stupid to know how little you know.

    No, boy, forced redistribution of wealth is how the 1% got so rich and own half the country. Our actions from the Left are best characterized as “recovering stolen goods”. You support the thieves. I support justice. See the difference? You’re a fascist reprobate. I’m a good citizen who seeks democracy, freedom and justice.

    Now, little boy, don’t waste space in here on your cheap insults. Charlottesville VA. Accessed by I-81 and I-64. Any time, Tiki-torch boy.

    Where are you from, boy? Which pampered lazy suburb spawned you? Me I’m from the hollow and from the barrio. Come on down, putote!

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