AK’s Palin

AK’s Palin August 29, 2008

My husband and I volunteered on Palin’s Alaska campaign when she ran for Governor.  Here are a few of my thoughts:

First: I have known Sarah Palin for years.  How?  I met her through AK Right to Life.  She always came to our fund-raising dinners, she always came to pro-life events (even when she took time off from politics to be home with her children), and one of her kids became AK RTL’s baby mascot for our stationery.  She is the real deal when it comes to pro-life matters.  This became even more clear when at the age of 44 of this year, she gave birth to a baby with Down’s Syndrome.  BTW: No one knew she was pregnant until 1 month before giving birth!

Second: She worked under previous (Catholic-pro-life) Governor Frank Murkowski’s Admin and ended up resigning because the corruption was so blatant and so bad she could not effect change.  She gave up her 6 figure income to do so.  This catapulted her into stardom for Alaskans.

Third: When she ran for Governor, she was up against the incumbent Murkowski (the least popular Governor in the nation at the time) AND against two-time former super popula,r Governor Democrat Tony Knowles.  Husband and I both had deep respect for her so we decided to join her campaign.  We were not the only ones.  I have worked many a campaign before and this was the first time in my experience where normal, average, non-partisan types joined the campaign.  When I decided to wave signs for her on street corners (with my baby strapped on my back), I was blown away by the hundreds of other Alaskans who had the same idea.

Fourth: When she ran for Governor, the AK Republican Party threw fundraisers for Palin’s Democratic rival!  No joke!  They hated her because she was the one who blew the whistle on their corruption.   Big Oil hates her because she refused and refuses to be bribed.  She had very little campaign money and her very few tv ads always said “Frugally paid for by the Palin Campaign.”  Yet, she won, sweeping the State.

Fifth: I worked the polls on voting day and Democrats, Independents and non-voters alike came to vote for her.

My advice:  Don’t underestimate her, my friends.

Last night my husband and I were convinced we would support Obama.  Thanks to McCain’s VP choice, we don’t know now.

Update:Here is a good post by fellow Alaskan liberal blogger Steve.  He does a great job looking at this from an objective perspective.  Read the comments, too!

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  • What’s her approval rating? 80%

  • digbydolben

    Are you a serious person who cares about the future of her country?

    I don’t care how “nice” your governor is; she’s still NOT qualified to be a “heartbeat away” from the Presidency of the United States, as even one of National Review’s most “conservative” columnists agrees:

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MWY0YmM3N2JhMTVkYmI0ZjU0OTBiYTY3NmUyMjgxNTc=

  • Palin is so exciting. I’m absolutely thrilled. Nothing worries Planned Parenthood more than to have a ProLife woman on the national stage ending the feminist claim that they speak for all women.

  • Here’s the interesting thing: McCain has basically neutralized his inexperience line, which was to date his major theme against Obama. What does that mean?

  • What’s more, Palin is in many ways the ideal of the liberated woman. She is athletic, bold, accomplished, self assured, competent, intelligent, capable woman. If anyone should break the glass ceiling, it should be Palin. And she does it all without being shrill, or angry or militant. She is the perfect Veep and perhaps future president. She is already more qualified for president than Obama as an capable executive, which he has never been.

    And, as Veep she will learn the business of the executive branch. Even if McCain were in office only a brief time, she will have learned his job and could assume the presidency with more experience than Obama would have on day one.

  • radicalcatholicmom

    Pauli: 90%

  • JohnH

    Digby, I’d rather have an inexperienced person (Palin) who has strong moral principles than an inexperienced person (Obama) with dubious moral principles.

    And I’ve always been a fan of Feminists for Life.

    I just might vote McCain/Palin instead of third party because of this.

  • Still, McCain vs. Obama on experience is a win hands down.
    Palin already has more executive experience than Obama. And Palin in short order will have better presidential experience in a short time than Obama would have on day one.
    She even has more executive experience than Biden.

  • nick

    Radical Catholic Mom, you’ve just filled in all the banks. Thank you. There goes the six point bounce!

  • jonathanjones02

    I’m also a very big fan of Feminists for Life, and admire K. Day and Democrats for Life (what a challenge they have!)

    She is a fantastic pick, and I’m also very happy about it. This will make voting for McCain easier. My no. 1 issue, extending legal protections to the unborn, will have a strong advocate in Sarah Palin.

  • nick

    banks = blanks (for all those “sic” happy liberals out there.

  • TeutonicTim

    RCM – thanks for the information from a real person (compared to the media).

    Digby and MM are sure showing their true colors!

  • Sadly, if this is McCain’s attempt to get Hillary’s supporters, I’m going to guess it’s not going to work out for him, because they are pro-choice and Palin seems to have a strong pro-life record. The only good thing that may come out of this is that evangelicals would be more excited and willing to vote for McCain but that’s about it.

  • digbydolben

    Warning: Do not insult people here. You are a guest. In turn, I will warn those who insult you (and there have been many of them).

    The true stupidity that is characterized by this choice is McCain’s SURRENDER of the “experience” issue to the Democrats: he has signaled that he is not being serious when he speaks of Obama’s inexperience:

    [T]he thrust of the Dems’ argument will not be that Palin is too inexperienced; it will be that McCain is being disingenuous when he argues that Obama is too inexperienced. This argument will gain wide acceptance among the pundit class, and it will also succeed with voters — largely because it is correct, and obviously and instinctively so.

    http://theoneblog.brendanloy.com/2008/08/palin-gamble.html

    And regarding so-called “executive experience,” I think you (deleted)better listen to this as well—especially when you consider that running a national political campaign of the SIZE of Obama’s trumps governing a state that isn’t equal to D.C. in population:

    With regard to the idea that Palin has “more experience” than Obama, one important fact to consider: Palin hasn’t been running for national office for 18 months. Obama has. Running a presidential campaign is a form of “executive experience.” At the very least, I’d say reasonable people can disagree about which type of experience is more relevant to serving (or potentially serving) as president: being mayor of a tiny town and governor of a tiny state (population-wise), or being “chief executive” of what has been, by most accounts, a massive and pretty damn well-run national organization that has successfully dethroned the Clinton Machine and remade the Democratic Party in its image.

  • radicalcatholicmom

    TT:”Digby and MM are sure showing their true colors!”

    Every Catholic has to make a prudential judgment during each election. As one who has deeply struggled with this year’s choices, I don’t judge any Catholic. I do, however, not like us saying the other is not Catholic enough because they support Candidate X.

  • Katerina,

    “The only good thing that may come out of this is that evangelicals would be more excited and willing to vote for McCain but that’s about it.”

    Must it really be narrowed down to that so quickly? jj02 and Fr. J have pointed out many other advantages to this nominee, why are you so quick to dismiss them?

  • Zach,

    I was speaking from a political strategy standpoint. I already made up my mind about not voting for McCain so it doesn’t matter to me who he picked. Out of all their picks, they picked a woman who barely anyone knows? Come on, they know why they picked who they picked. They were hoping for Hillary supporters, but as I said, I don’t think they will get them because of her strong pro-life record.

  • JohnH

    I don’t know about the Hillary supporters thing. From where I live, most of the support for Hillary was coming from the Asian/Latino community, which is also generally pro-life. Someone like Palin, I think, will do more to reach out to those who were voting for Hillary mostly because of her support for labor/union issues than pro-choice issues.

  • Phillip

    Katerina,

    Read some of this. You are probably wrong:

    http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26089

  • Phillip

    Just a few of the comments on that thread:

    “All this B.S. that the Republicans are racist and sexist, yet colin powell and condi rice were some of the biggest players in the rnc.
    Now Sarah has been confirmed.

    What does that tell you about the DNC.. Hypocrits.”

    “If this is true, this moves me from staying at home to voting McCain.”


    McCain has picked PALIN!!! I am THRILLED! AS for the Dums whining that she doens’t have experience running things–SHE HAS FIVE KIDS!! TRUST ME! SHE KNOWS HOW TO RUN THINGS!

    GOD BLESS MCCAIN/PALIN!!!”

    “Do you all hear the sound of the running feet of all the women the Obama camp tossed aside? It is THUNDEROUS!!!!”

  • I’m basing my opinion not based on a single forum thread but on what I’ve seen for 18 months now on TV and on the internet.

  • Phillip

    There are the comments. At least some are leaving Obama. In some places that might make all the difference.

  • digbydolben

    Well, here you go, “Phillip,” here are some of your moderate, middle aged women, running away from Obama, after he “tossed them aside”:

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/email-from-alas.html

    Personally, as an Obama supporter, you can’t imagine how happy this choice makes me. I think it goes a long way to securing his election, so long as Biden is polite and tolerant of the woman’s rank inexperience and naivete.

  • JB

    Palin sounds pretty good, but honestly she doesn’t ease most of my McCain concerns. What effect does a VP really have on presidential policy and the like?

  • Katerina,

    So was I! I was simply saying that there was not a single reason she was picked – her candidacy, like anyone else’s, has pluses and minuses.

  • jh

    Checking in from the road

    Well It is a high risk pick that is for sure. She will make mistakes on the stump (they all do but there will be little recovery time)

    She does jazz the base and especially the younger reform people in the party. All this egot excited about Huckabee etc

    SHe should play very well in areas where Obama is hoping to “expand the Map” places like Montana and such as well crucial demogrpaphics that the GOP has to keep on board in Battle ground states.

    I expect she will suprise a lot of people but it is one of those High Risk but with possible High Reward s from a political standpoint.

    She should appealing to Catholics especially in Wisconin Michigan and Penn with her record and postions

    Though not noted too much in the initial press the Union Backgrounds and true blue collar storyline is a plus

  • deleted. stay on topic.

    Obama is toast.

  • I think that, whether McCain wins or loses, this is a huge gain for the pro-life movement.

    The most prominent carrier of the pro-lif message will be a mother of five. Considering that this time last year, it looked like we’d have Rudy Giuliani at the top of the GOP ticket, this is indeed a welcome development.

    Perhaps the prayer and fasting is working out..

    As for the “experience” argument, I suspect the damage has been done, and the McCain campaign will pivot that they are the real change agents, and Obama represents the same-old same-old Washington politics, with their VP candidate who has been in the Senate for 35 years.

  • Katerina

    Palin sounds pretty good, but honestly she doesn’t ease most of my McCain concerns. What effect does a VP really have on presidential policy and the like?

    Same here. I made my mind up about McCain a long time ago, so it didn’t matter to me who he picked.

  • jonathanjones02

    McCain and Palin were hitting up the reform message pretty hard this afternoon, and they both have the credentials for it (although I don’t particularly like McCain’s campaign finance “reform,” especially by comparison to the K. Sullivan plan some advanced).

    Palin is an outstanding voice for the pro-birth, pro-traditional family coalition I hope she leads.

  • TeutonicTim

    I do, however, not like us saying the other is not Catholic enough because they support Candidate X.

    Indeed, which is why it’s so interesting to watch MM and digby. I believe everyone should vote for who they decide, based on facts. So far(definitely early…), no negative facts have been given to dispute Palin as a good choice for Catholics to support as a VP candidate.

    I didn’t mean to distort your post, btw.

  • jonathanjones02

    Man, I really love this pick. And seeing her with her newborn, Downs son, whom she calls “perfect,” brings tears to my eyes. It’s almost like I’m one of Obama’s supporters having a near-fainting spell at a campaign rally.

  • Mark DeFrancisis

    RCM,

    Where did she stand with the Iraqi War at its inception?

    Has she shone herself with the moral fiber to stand against unjust and unnecessary wars?

    Is she against dilpomaby, as a sigh nf weakness in leadership?

    Or is she just lock, step and barrel with the McBush neo-imperialsim.

  • digbydolben

    Wait until the national press gets ahold of THIS:

    http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/478090.html

    All of it is too delicious to be true! What a boon to the Obama campaign! She might even have to leave the ticket, like Eagleton before her.

  • Obama’s camp attacks Sarah because she was mayor of a town of only 9000 residents.

    At least she’s held an executive office. Oh, she’s governor, too. Only for a year, but that’s a year longer than Obama.

    Does this pick negate McCain’s critique of Obama’s lack of experience? A bit, although Palin isn’t the one running for President, and if Obama continues to go after the inexperience of his opponents VICE Presidential nominee, it’s only going to highlight his own inexperience as a PRESIDENTIAL nominee.

    But again, she has 8 more years of executive experience than Obama, so she wins the argument nonetheless.

  • Glad to see you’re interested in Troopergate, digby.

  • TeutonicTim

    Oh you mean the trooper that drank in his patrol car, tasered his son, illegally shot a moose, and threatened his father in law’s life?

  • David Nickol

    The only way McCain could have won my vote is by choosing Obama as his running mate, so I am not sure my opinion counts for much, but . . .

    Sarah Palin appears to be an attractive candidate. It seems to me it’s refreshing to have a pro-life candidate who lives her convictions, and who had them before running for office!

    I think experience can be overrated. I think I would find a Palin-McCain ticket more attractive than a McCain-Palin ticket.

    Oh the matter of Obama’s inexperience and Palin’s inexperience, it seems to me that as things stand nowadays, running a successful campaign for the nomination of a major party counts as experience. It is experience Obama didn’t have when he started, but he has it now.

    I am so relieved we won’t have either Mitt Romney or Joe Lieberman as part of a national campaign for the next two months. I would much rather watch and listen to Sarah Palin.

  • I think I would find a Palin-McCain ticket more attractive than a McCain-Palin ticket.

    Agreed, David!

  • Digby has no clue. Just keep it up. We’ll be laughing all the way to the White House.

    And why do you care anyway, Digby? Why don’t you just stay in Germany and listen to some more David Hasselhoff?

  • S.B.

    “digbydolben” thinks it a scandal that Palin wanted to get rid of a corrupt and criminal state trooper. http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/07/23/10/palin-email.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf Right . . . .

  • Yes, please do go after Palin for that. Pretty please.

  • Rob

    LOL. I love that people really think that we will be scared off because she fired her brother-in-law!

    S**t, I have a brother-in-law. He’s lucky he lives in a different country. I sympathize with the woman!

  • little gal
  • HA

    she’s still NOT qualified to be a “heartbeat away” from the Presidency of the United States, as even one of National Review’s most “conservative” columnists agrees
     
    I think we have already addressed your limited reading skills, digby:
     
    On the other hand, you might have a point. After all, the American people are far too sophisticated — and focused on the issues that really matter — to be swayed by a candidate hotter than Carla Bruni. The Democrats really have nothing to worry about here.

  • “Poor Digby and MM. It’s a tough day for y’all, and things are about to go from bad to worse. Obama is toast.”

    LOL! The view from inside the bubble! But we’ll see, Feddie, but I was thinking McCain was toast after last night. Let’s see how MCain-Palin do on the issue next week. My prediction: poorly.

  • ABooth

    Fr. J said:

    “Planned Parenthood more than to have a ProLife woman on the national stage ending the feminist claim that they speak for all women.”

    Don’t identify Planned Parenthood as making “*the* feminist claim” — Sarah Palin *is* a feminist. Being pro-life is a (or maybe even… *the*) feminist position.

  • “no negative facts have been given to dispute Palin as a good choice for Catholics to support as a VP candidate” –you mean aside from the fact that she is running with John McCain??

  • Palin sounds pretty good, but honestly she doesn’t ease most of my McCain concerns. What effect does a VP really have on presidential policy and the like?

    Exactly. What we will have is a mother of five supporting grandpa McCain’s push toward World War III, offering up her own son’s body for the cause.

    No thanks.

    And seeing her with her newborn, Downs son, whom she calls “perfect,” brings tears to my eyes.

    I had no idea your political choices were based on such sentimentalism.

    We’ll be laughing all the way to the White House.

    Feddie’s “we” — his primary allegiance — is to the Republican party.

    Why don’t you just stay in Germany and listen to some more David Hasselhoff?

    Fed – Cut it out.

  • Tim F.

    “And seeing her with her newborn, Downs son, whom she calls “perfect,” brings tears to my eyes. ”

    “I had no idea your political choices were based on such sentimentalism. ”

    I didn’t see the word vote, politics, or election in this sentence.
    deleted. stay on topic.

  • Winston D

    “Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain’s commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush’s failed economic policies — that’s not the change we need, it’s just more of the same.”

    They may want to rework that ‘more of the same’ charge against Palin; she may be a lot of things, but the same isn’t one of them.

    It’s great that the Obama campaign waited until the second(!) sentence of their official response to criticize Palin’s opposition to abortion. It helps explain where MM is coming from. After all, the Democratic party is becoming more sympathetic to anti-abortion voices, right….??? right?

  • There is symbolism that is hard for pro-lifers to miss.

    In the run-up to their Convention, the Democrats expected pro-lifers to be thrilled that they supported the choice to have child while stongly and unequivocally supporting the Supreme Court decision that makes it impossibly to enact restrictions. Then they nominated a Catholic pro-choice candidate, setting the stage for Communion Wars II, which we all enjoyed so much the first time around. They let Bob Casey, Jr. speak, but he rushed through any suggestion that he is pro-life.

    The Republicans nominated a younger woman who has always been pro-life, and has demonstrated a commitment to it in her life. They are essentailly saying, this is the future of the party. And I must confess I like it.

  • Thanks, RCM, you’ve always been my favorite VN writer =o) Palin kicks butt big time. The GOP has been changing nicely from the mid 90s

  • MB

    Morning: “McCain has basically neutralized his inexperience line, which was to date his major theme against Obama.”

    I think he has accentuated important things: If VP Palin is “inexperienced”, the more so is Prez Obama.
    If “change” and “reform” is the important thing, VP Palin exemplifies that more than VP Biden.
    I think the choice emphasizes both Obama’s lack of important credentials and Biden’s yesterday same old answers.

  • And one more thing: what does Palin have against polar bears???

  • Furthermore in another post he refers to the Roman Catholic Church in America as the “Republican Party at Prayer”.

    Is this any different than the often parroted insistence that the USCCB is the Democratic party at prayer, which has been uttered countless times in the comboxes of VN? Do you also have a problem with that characterization? Or will that get a pass?

  • jonathanjones02

    I had no idea your political choices were based on such sentimentalism.

    I have no idea why you would make this completely false assumption, aside from possibly taking a cheap shot.

  • jonathanjones02

    BTW, my political choices and biases are informed by the following figures, as laid out in six posts over the last three or four months and a few more forthcoming:
    E. Burke, S. Coleridge, S. Johnson, R. Kirk, P. Viereck, and R. Nisbet.

  • deleted. stay on topic.

  • MM-

    What does your hero Obama have against new born babies?


  • And one more thing: what does Palin have against polar bears???

    I never again want to hear MM make the accusation that some people politicize the abortion issue in order to distract people from other real issues.

  • jonathanjones02

    Concerning Palin, I concur with Noah Millman:
    http://theamericanscene.com/2008/08/29/sister-sarah

    This is going to be an exciting race.

  • John– lighten up, already!

  • Bears are evil. Ask Stephen Colbert.

  • Rob

    If Palin were a man with two years’ experience as governor of any state (even Rhode Island) no one would say a word. It is only because she is a woman that this seems “insufficient” experience.

  • Exactly, Rob.

  • Tim F.

    deleted. stay on topic.

  • Tim F.

    deleted. stay on topic.

  • Deleted. stay on topic.

    Sorry I misquoted Palin’s approval rating. 90%.

    This blog is one of the funniest on the web, BTW. That’s a compliment.

  • Tim F.

    deleted. stay on topic.

  • Final Friday evening of holiday weekend thought on Palin. I think there are two distinct possibilities: (i) she gives the McCain campaign a new lease on life, swells the enthusiasm, and cements the maverick image; (ii) she signals that the McCain campaign lacks all serious, is vacuous, and is shamelessly pandering to women voters, something that will surely backfire.

    Whether it is (i) or (ii) at this stage is hard to tell. But one thing is for sure: after the election, it will become blindingly obvious, and everything will claim to have seen it coming.

  • Whether it is (i) or (ii) at this stage is hard to tell. But one thing is for sure: after the election, it will become blindingly obvious, and everything will claim to have seen it coming.

    You’ve got that right.

  • (Be nice, no name calling!).

    They are all for Obama, who has very little experience and not one solid legislative accomplishment at either the state or federal level, and who is nothing more than an empty suit, propped up by party leaders to facilitate their own return to executive power.

    But Sarah Palin who, in her career, has actually accomplished things and made changes and stood up to the powers-that-be, including her own party, is dismissed as a token.

    True colors,fellows.

    Oh, and since MZ doesn’t allow comments on his posts anymore, why is he allowed to post comments?

  • deleted. stay on topic.

  • Policraticus

    One thing is for sure: pro-lifers will be more at ease in GOP. Beyond that, I don’t see this doing much more. The race will be close nationally, but it’s all about the states. Which swing states have Obama supporters and undecided who will defect to McCain?

  • deleted. stay on topic.

  • deleted. stay on topic.

  • Tim F.

    I have to commend Policraticus for not putting the term pro-lifers in quotes. I’m serious. That’s nice to see.

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  • “Last night my husband and I were convinced we would support Obama. Thanks to McCain’s VP choice, we don’t know now.” And you call yourself pro-life? Don’t get me wrong, I’m still not supporting McCain even with this choice, but I would never in a million years support Obama! Remember, the vice-prez is not making policy, the president is.

  • “Remember, the vice-prez is not making policy, the president is”. Precisely. Vote for Palin? Get McSame.

  • And a vote for Obama is a vote for the tried, tested and failed policies of the Democrat left… nothing substantial in his speech last night differed from what we heard in ’00 or ’04 from Gore or Kerry, as Dreher showed today.

    As much as some in the GOP hated Clinton, his relatively moderate and even conservative policies were far more effective from what the liberals of the 60s-90s offered, and have continued to offer this decade.

    Catholics (on both sides) need to be more imaginative in their politics.

  • Mike

    Dreher is a fool. A vote for Obama is a vote for the policies of the Democratic Party that the Republicans have blocked because they hate decency. A vote for McCain is a vote for evil.

  • Mark DeFrancisis

    Ms. Palin is FOR teaching creationism in public schools.

  • Rob

    deleted. stay on topic.

  • TeutonicTim

    Mike – You’re confusing forced coercion into socialism as “decency”

  • Mike: Everything Obama said on economics (common good, brother’s keeper, the dignity of work etc) is directly in line with Catholic Social Teaching. We haven’t seen this in a long long time, and it harks all the way back to Msgr. Ryan and FDR.

  • (Sorry, last comment should be addressed to Chris, not Mike)

  • Donna

    If Palin were a man with two years’ experience as governor of any state (even Rhode Island) no one would say a word. It is only because she is a woman that this seems “insufficient” experience.

    Exactly. At TalkLeft (which I read regularly to see what the PUMAs are up to), a woman noted that Tim Kaine was a serious contender for the Dem ticket and Kaine has been Governor for exactly the same amount of time as Palin. Yet, nobody was fretting about Kaine’s lack of experience.

    I’ve never given a dime to a political candidate before, but after Palin made her speech, I immediately tried to make a contribution online – and couldn’t. After a few hours, I called the local McCain HQ and got an address to mail a donation to. The woman on the phone said the McCain site was so swamped with traffic the server went down. She said the calls they’ve been receiving all day are just thrilled with Palin. I know I am. It’s a new day for the GOP.

  • jonathanjones02

    Ms. Palin is FOR teaching creationism in public schools.

    Wrong.

    But why not try to back that up? Here is why I say you are wholly incorrect:

    http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html

    “She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum. “

  • “Which swing states have Obama supporters and undecided who will defect to McCain?”

    I believe Gov. Palin will definitely help Sen. McCain in the Midwest. A self-described “hockey mom” with a blue-collar background who is pro-life and hunts and fishes will play very well in places like Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

    I don’t know that they’ll pick up any of Sen. Obama’s supporters, but they’ll definitely get a good long look from the many undecided voters and many of the blue-collar voters to whom Sen. Clinton appeal in these states. I think Gov. Palin helps Sen. McCain immensely here in the Midwest.

  • TeutonicTim

    Ms. Palin is FOR teaching creationism in public schools.

    Get your head out of your a**. She’s for creationism in schools just like she was in the pocket of “Big Oil” earlier today? You’re on a roll!

  • Mark DeFrancisis

    Boston/com

    And earlier that year, the Anchorage Daily News reported that Palin said the following about creationism at a debate:

    “Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information….Healthy debate is so important and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject — creationism and evolution. It’s been a healthy foundation for me. But don’t be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.”

  • Mark DeFrancisis

    And she was FOR drilling in the Alaska Wildlife (even though she surprisingly said earlier this month that she likes much of what is in Senator OBAMA’s energy plan).

  • jonathanjones02

    Mark,

    Those quotes were in the Alaska newspaper story I linked to. Your characterization remains incorrect. She’s given several interviews on the subject after first being asked about it. She does not advocate forcing school boards to teach creationism in science class. Read the whole article.

    Second, it’s a very good thing to be for drilling in ANWAR, and no one who is for it claims it will solve our energy problems or should be a substitute for alternative energy, so let’s avoid that strawman again if we can.

  • S.B.

    I’d like to drill in some wildlife too. What else are they good for but raiding campsites and otherwise just roaming around aimlessly? If they’ve got some oil to cough up, let’s have it.

  • Dreher is a fool. A vote for Obama is a vote for the policies of the Democratic Party that the Republicans have blocked because they hate decency. A vote for McCain is a vote for evil.

    Mike, before I respond, I need to know: are you serious, or are you a conservative being sarcastic? I’m being honest… I’m not sure which. If the former, I’ll offer a thought or two.

  • goodtimepolitics

    I have news for you digbydolben talking experience, Gov. Palin has more experience than Obama and so the liberals don’t want to get into that debate. Also its McCain and Obama running for president and John McCain’s experience far out weights Obama’s experience which he has done what so ever.

  • Everything Obama said on economics (common good, brother’s keeper, the dignity of work etc) is directly in line with Catholic Social Teaching. We haven’t seen this in a long long time, and it harks all the way back to Msgr. Ryan and FDR.

    I’d challenge this on at least two fronts, MM. First, look at Dreher’s post… style aside, the content of Obama’s public policy proposals as articulated last night is a repetition of Gore & Kerry; I’m not going to ask you to exhaustively disprove this, but at least two or three examples of ways in which this isn’t the case would suffice.

    Second and more importantly — and channeling David Schindler — I vociferously challenge linkage to the CST in any era, in that the Obama’s theo-logic is radically different from Catholic theo-logic, making any similarities merely superficial. NB: I’m not arguing that McCain’s own view is anymore in line with Catholic theo-logic; I’m merely noting that Obama’s *isn’t*.

    Third, as Ryan Lizza of the New Yorker noted this week, the Dems are moving more and more away from the New Deal Coalition, not closer to it.

    Fourth, who says that Msgr. Ryan’s approach was the only way to bring CST into politics? Or even the *best* way? This is in no way to disparage him, but simply to note that there are numerous ways to apply CST, not all of them necessarily being equal.

  • Mark DeFrancisis

    JJ,

    Are you playing word games? Where did I say “force:?

    She is open to the possibility. Your own article does not deny that.

    Knowing how bible-thumping zealots can take over school boards, I say this is no position to hold in 21st century America.

  • I know what Schindler is getting at, but I still think the link is appropriate. Let’s go back to Msgr. Ryan. He was directly influenced by the (then relatively-new) teachings of Leo XIII and Pius XI, and wrote a great treatise on the living wage. Insofar as he influenced FDR (and I won’t say he was the only influence), I think we can ascertain a clear link with the New Deal and Catholic social teaching. They real key is a move away from the traditional conception of economics in terms of individual self-interest, market efficiency, and the virtue of free exchange toward a more communitarian approach based on human dignity, and in particular the dignity of the worker and his right to a living wage.

    It was this idea, cemented in the New Deal, that underpinned the great expansion that lasted until the early 1970s. Then, a combination of economic malaise combined with a resurgence of the notion of individual rights led to a change. The Democrats moved away from the party of the worker, couched in the language of the common good, toward the party of individual rights. This is a theme argued persuasively by Michael Sean Winters in his book.

    Now, getting to your comparison with Gore and Kerry: the first thing I would say is that the economic policies of Gore and Kerry were largely good policies, sound policies, and they were not beaten because the electorate rejected these policies (actually, Gore was not beaten at all, but let’s not get into this here!). But they never provided a convincing philosophy as FDR did, and their proposals came across as a series of disjointed initiatives, lacking any common purpose. By harking back to some of the older language, Obama is moving in this direction. The common good. Looking out for each other. That kind of thing.

    Consider lines like this: “Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who’s willing to work.” Phrases like “our moral obligation”, “Individual responsibility and mutual responsibility”, “binds us together in spite of our differences”, “We cannot walk alone”, ” the hope that we confess”, “the obligation to treat each other with dignity and respect”, “the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother’s keeper; I am my sister’s keeper”, “an economy that honors the dignity of work”.

    This is a different kind of language to the typical Democrat, even if the policies are similar. It’e certainly more Bill Clinton than Gore or Kerry, but I think we have to go all the way back to people like Bobby Kennedy to see this kind of economic moralism. And those were the days when Catholics were aligned with the Democrats.

  • TeutonicTim

    actually, Gore was not beaten at all

    For God’s sake, get a clue.

  • A very compelling post, MM; this section in particular:

    They real key is a move away from the traditional conception of economics in terms of individual self-interest, market efficiency, and the virtue of free exchange toward a more communitarian approach based on human dignity, and in particular the dignity of the worker and his right to a living wage.

    I’ve previously referred to Douthat’s and Salam’s “Grand New Party”, and they spoke positively regarding these kinds of aspects of the New Deal (heresy to Limbaugh et al., of course; he attempted to call them out without reading the book, relying only on a positive review of it by David Brooks).

    My remaining concern, though, is this: whatever the *intentions* of the policies of Obama et al., what are the actual consequences? Do they achieve their results, or do they lead to numerous unintended (and negative) consequences? Too often it seems that Democrat economic policies come down (on their funding side) to “tax the rich more”, neglecting the negative aspects of such an approach.

    I think we need something new. Elsewhere I’ve mentioned distributism… I’d like to see Catholics and like-minded folks take a deeper look at this approach, and see how we might make it real. Allan Carson has expressed his desire for a party that reflects the Christian Democrat parties of Europe in various ways… such proposals merit further attention. Closer to home, the ideas of people like Douthat, Dreher, the people at ISI, etc. seem neglected. As I noted recently (in this thread or another), I think we need to be more creative & imaginative in our approach to the public square.

    Incidentally, I tend to think that Democrats would easily win the Catholic vote again if they abandoned their devotion to abortion rights, and I have to think that that would more than offset whatever votes (and money) they’d lose. Has that math been done?

  • RCM

    Mark: Even the democrats and far left wingers up here are for drilling in ANWR. She also supports the trans-AK Pipeline that Biden voted against.

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  • Kathy from Kansas

    Wait a minute….you’re a “radical Catholic mom, ” a pro-lifer, and you were considering voting for Obama? That does not compute! Have you not heard about Obama’s vehement and persistent opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection legislation? Please do a google search on “Jill Stanek” and read her testimony. Barack Obama thinks babies who survive late-term abortions and are born alive should be left to die of starvation and neglect! I honestly don’t understand what thought process could enable any Christian to even consider voting for such a person. Please explain!

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  • Ut videam

    Kathy from Kansas:

    Just scroll through some of the past posts on this blog. Many of them are devoted to the mental gymnastics required to justify a vote, on “proportionately grave” grounds, in favor of a candidate who zealously opposes any restriction whatsoever on the heinous practice of abortion.

  • digbydolben

    “Ut Videam”:

    There have been many, many evil hierarchs in the history of the Roman Catholic Church. I don’t CARE what “canon law” says: it was, has been and IS the duty of the “faithful” (“faithful” to Christ, not to the “Church,” who are NOT always “one and the same,” the idolators of the papacy to the contrary notwithstanding), to oppose those evil hierarchs.

  • JPF

    A Buchananite!!!!

    http://www.thenation.com/blogs/ j…lin_buchananite

    And someone who thought that Ron Paul was a good guy!!!

    http://newsroom.mtv.com/2008/08/…-mtv-interview/

    Not enough to get me to vote for McCain . . . but close.

  • Interestingly enough, one of the things I read about yesterday was how little McCain and Palin know each other: outside of this week, it appears they only met once before. How much does Palin know about McCain, and how much of her decision was on the appearance of McCain from 2000? That, I think, is an issue to explore; because, knowing her past in Alaska, I think there is a small chance that the unthinkable could happen: once she gets to know McCain, she doesn’t like him, finds him corrupt, and removes herself from the candidacy. Small chance, but with her past, not entirely impossible.

  • TeutonicTim

    Or she gets to know him, finds that he is an honorable man, and is even more excited about her candidacy. Meanwhile, Biden gets caught plagiarizing yet another speech, and Obama is exposed as a financial supporter of Al Qaeda and must resign his candidacy.

    Oh wait, this isn’t fantasy land…

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    Henry,

    With all due respect, I find it highly unlikely that Palin has read less about McCain over the last year than all of us have — and she has the opportunity to know and talk to those who work with him directly in a way that we do not. To suggest that we know more about McCain than she does smacks of wholly unearned blogger elitism.

  • David Nickol

    Barack Obama thinks babies who survive late-term abortions and are born alive should be left to die of starvation and neglect! I honestly don’t understand what thought process could enable any Christian to even consider voting for such a person.

    Kathy from Kansas,

    Let me make it clear that while I am not accusing you of lying, this charge against Obama is a carefully crafted lie. At the time Obama argued against the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act, babies who survived late-term abortions were fully protected under the Illinois Abortion Act of 1975.

    Check out the Factcheck.org section on “Obama and ‘Infanticide'”:

    What we can say is that many other people – perhaps most – think of “infanticide” as the killing of an infant that would otherwise live. And there are already laws in Illinois, which Obama has said he supports, that protect these children even when they are born as the result of an abortion. Illinois compiled statute 720 ILCS 510/6 states that physicians performing abortions when the fetus is viable must use the procedure most likely to preserve the fetus’ life; must be attended by another physician who can care for a born-alive infant; and must “exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion.” Failure to do any of the above is considered a felony. NRLC calls this law “loophole-ridden.”

    In addition, Obama has an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate, he is a citizen of the United States and does not have dual US-Kenyan citizenship, and he is not a Muslim.

    The testimony Jill Stanek gave at various hearings for both the Illinois and federal versions for born-alive protection acts is heartbreaking, but on the other hand her allegations were investigated at the time and no evidence of wrongdoing was found on the part of Christ Medical Center, the hospital where Stanek worked and the place the incidents in her testimony were alleged to have taken place. And no, the authorities didn’t find that because viable babies born alive in the course of an abortion weren’t persons, they had to sit idly by while hospitals let them die of starvation and neglect. It would have been illegal at the time for Christ Medical Center to allow such a thing to happen. What the Illinois Department of Health found was that there was no evidence to support Stanek’s accusations of illegal behavior.

  • Now the campaigns will be fun! Lets see how this plays out.

    Is experience overrated? GW Bush was inexperienced at successfully doing anything and this didn’t stop the Republicans and the pro-lifers from fawning over him, until November 2006 and then they cut him loose.

    She’s such an unknown element in this game. In the role of the attack dog. This should be fun.

  • David Nickol

    Link to Factcheck.org on “Obama and ‘Infanticide'”:

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_and_infanticide.html

  • Darwin

    It’s not blogger elitisim to consider the possibility that Palin, who doesn’t really know McCain, might have one vision of him, dismiss things as gossip, and find out things are differently than she expected. This would not be the first time for her to have such an experience. Or would you say that she really knew what was happening in Alaska, she willingly entered into the corruption, and only turned upon it for political gain (since it would make her look good?) Certainly she should have had more knowledge of things local — Alaska — than about McCain; her own words she has given us of late indicates she really doesn’t know much about McCain’s views on things such as Iraq: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/29/plan-mccain-iraq-plan/

    Indeed, she says she and McCain are pratically strangers: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/sarah-palin-and.html

    Sorry, Darwin; the fact is, right now, it appears she is going to be learning about McCain and his views and positions. I assume she believes him to be an honorable man. But with her previous quickness to enter politics with people she didn’t know much about, and then when she found them wanting, leaving them, I still say — watch out. It’s certainly something she needs to work with now — to get to know his views, otherwise — she is going to be a major problem for the McCain team now. And this as someone who thinks she was the best choice, and said it before — but I also assumed she would have known more about McCain and given the heads up so as not to look like a fool when talking about McCain. That’s a mistake (unless someone was afraid of her reaction to them, I guess).

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  • Mark DeFrancisis

    Ms. Palin recently said that she does not know what the VP does.

    She also said she did not know what she thought about the Iraqi war, but she supports our president here.

    The latter, lazy mental attitude, particularly, is a troubling revelation in the light (darkness) of the past 6 years.

    And you wingers, please do not respond that it is her right to be ignorant, since she has allowed/thrown her son into the Bush war machine.

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  • Catholic for Obama

    Friends, as I’ve sent to Radical Catholic Mom on her blog, as a Catholic who wants the sanctity of all life respected and defended, I can’t in good conscience think that Alaska or our nation will be better with Gov. Palin as VP. I respect how she has fought corruption and opposes abortion, but what does it say that she’s ready to put us her work in Alaska and perhaps also her family’s well-being aside so abruptly? Also, having been in NYC on 9-11 and knowing first responders and military who’ve risked or lost their lives despite poor decisions by macho politicians, I’ve no doubt our world isn’t safer or better today after 8 years of Republican led response – much of which Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin have defended. Friends, please don’t let excitement over the prospect of a feminist for life being a heartbeat from the presidency cause you to ignore how she isn’t sufficiently prepared for this responsibility and she and we show hubris and lack of good judgment if we say so.

  • Santorum’s Revenge

    As an Obama supporter I have to say I’m delighted. I had no idea McCain was that desperate. I didn’t believe the news when it began leaking out yesterday. It seemed too good to be true. I assumed Sarah Palin was being used as some sort of decoy. As the news was confirmed I watched the shocked and sickened faces of Scarborough and Mike Murphy on MSNBC and I saw in real time just how well the news was going over with the party faithful. Someone asked “Has McCain lost his mind?” I wondered the same thing. A few hours later, after the scripted spinners had a chance to compose themselves, they were predictably assembled before the cameras expressing their “delight” at the “brilliant” selection of Sarah Who. I immediately knew the pro-life bubble dwellers would be ecstatic as they witnessed the reincarnation of Rick Santorum in the person of Sarah Palin. And we all know how well things worked out for poor Rick . . .

  • allen bean

    Posted by: Scott | August 30, 2008 1:11 AM

    Not only all that, but Ms Palin has had virtually no contact with
    Jewish people in America. In fact, most Alaskans still use the term
    “to jew someone down” as part of their every day vocabulary when
    speaking about bargaining at the store….so I guess Ms Palin has a
    huge storehouse of inherited antiSemitic fixations based not on hatred
    but on ignornace. Ask her what she thinks of Jewish people someone? I
    am sure he only knows about 3.

  • Santorum’s Revenge

    Palin is in many ways the ideal of the liberated woman. She is athletic, bold, accomplished, self assured, competent, intelligent, capable woman.

    Wow Fr J try to control yourself before you go into orbit. You can just say you like her because she’s pro-life. We understand. You know, the dreaded hated Hillary Clinton has many of the same glowing attributes you describe and she’s been clawed bloody for decades in rightwing “christian” cricles where liberated women are assumed to be sleeping around, ruthlessly clawing their way up the ladder, frequenting abortion mills, etc. Nothing is too evil to project onto a Liberated Woman unless that woman is pro-life, gun toting, has lots of kids and belongs to the Republican Party. I know couples in my parish who home school 6-7 kids at the kitchen table and are very critical of women working outside the home, not to mention the rigors of running for national office with a 4 month old.

  • rusty

    And yet Hilary, who became Senator with no past elective office experience, is A-okay with these cretins criticizing Palin now. Politics is ugly and predictive.

  • David Nickol

    And yet Hilary, who became Senator with no past elective office experience, is A-okay with these cretins criticizing Palin now. Politics is ugly and predictive.

    Did I miss something? So far, the only thing I know that has come from Hillary Clinton regarding Sarah Palin is this comment:

    “We should all be proud of Governor Sarah Palin’s historic nomination, and I congratulate her and Senator McCain. While their policies would take America in the wrong direction, Governor Palin will add an important new voice to the debate.”

    What do you base your statement on?

    By the way, it’s one thing to enter the Senate without having previously held elective office. It’s another thing to be put “a heartbeat from the presidency” when there is no indication you are ready to be president.

  • Lawyer in NC

    Brilliant choice. I am a life long Democrat but I vote for whomever I consider the best candidate. I think Palin is a fresh and energetic addition to the campaign. The more I hear, the more I like her. Go girl!

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  • Jim McCann

    Awesome, I can finally vote for a candidate (merely VP, which is sad) who actually represents reform of Republican corruption and standing up to Big Oil, taxing them exorbitantly.

    The rest of you can go back to voting for more of the same from Democrats.

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  • digbydolben

    I agree with your deletions.

  • I appreciate your overview. Thanks!

  • radicalcatholicmom

    Thanks, Digby. I am sorry it took so long. I don’t like personal attacks, period.

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  • I love Sarah Palin! Thanks for this article, it makes me love her even more. We need someone who will go in and reform Washington

  • The Republicans nominated a younger woman who has always been pro-life, and has demonstrated a commitment to it in her life. They are essentailly saying, this is the future of the party. And I must confess I like it.

    John, me too!!!

    It looks like the old guard is handing off the baton to the new guard. After 4 years of McCain-Palin ushering us into a new era or peace and prosperity, John can take his well earned retirement (or maybe a Secretary’s post) in the next 8 years of Palin-Jindal, and 8 more of Jindal-??? 🙂

  • This is off topic too, but I’d like to ask whoever is doing the deleting and editing, please mark their comments somehow and maybe put their initials on it. This anonymous big-brother activity is getting a bit disconcerting.

  • David Nickol

    Tony,

    According to the site’s comment policy, “The author of a post is the authority of the post. They can delete and edit comments. They can close comments.” So it must be Radical Catholic Mom who’s deleting comments she considers to be off topic.

  • “According to the site’s comment policy, “The author of a post is the authority of the post. They can delete and edit comments. They can close comments.” So it must be Radical Catholic Mom who’s deleting comments she considers to be off topic”

    David,

    Ok. But I’m noticing text that doesn’t seem to go with the rest of the comment having to do with the comment itself. It’s very difficult to follow. Blocking out editor’s comments like this.

    [That’s part was off topic and was removed -rcm]

    Would make the actual comments easier to follow.

  • radicalcatholicmom

    Thanks for the suggestion, Tony. I was super tired and frustrated when I went through last night. I will keep that in mind for the future.

  • Thanks for the suggestion, Tony. I was super tired and frustrated when I went through last night. I will keep that in mind for the future.,

    No problem, the comments were probably coming fast and furious, making it difficult to keep up. Thanks for taking the time to referee the steel cage death match. 🙂

  • Kurt

    Gov. Palin is a wonderful pro-life witness. However, I have not found — in her entire political career — a single anti-abortion initiative she successful put into law. Not one in her entire political life.

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  • james hicks

    How did she get a several million sollar hause built for nothing, with the help of a contracter who later got a big deal from her? this is what i have heard am i right or wrong?