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Academics are often accused of escaping the gritty realities of the world for a sheltered life in the ivory tower. With topics like aesthetics, the nature of language, and epistemology, modern philosophers seem to breathe a rarefied air. That's why I was so intrigued to learn that Andrew Chignell, a professor of philosophy at Cornell University, was teaching a course in one of the grittiest settings imaginable, a maximum-security prison in upstate New York. Andrew was interested to find out if his life's work as an academic would be relevant to the harsh realities of incarcerated life. So today we're calling Andrew to ask, "Should philosophers go to prison?"

Andrew, you're teaching students who are obviously different than your Cornell undergrads.

They tend to be between 25 and 50 years old, all male, and they have all done something that warranted a maximum-security prison: anything from murder to repeated drug offenses to rapes and other kinds of pretty bad felonies. The guard sometimes pointed out that many of the students, as we call them, would never see the outside of the prison. This raised the question about why we thought this was a useful thing to do.

Well, why was it a useful thing to do?

I had to answer that question for myself. The usual practical explanations didn't work. The answer to the question, "Why study philosophy?" is often "Because philosophy majors tend to do well on the LSATs or even in business school and medical school." Those kinds of appeals went out the window when thinking about students who would never get out. I had to think more about the intrinsic value of knowledge itself and various kinds of intellectual skills—and whether that is the sort of thing that I felt I could really believe in. And I did. After a while, I saw changes both in their aptitude and skills—writing, thinking, arguing, and the like, as well as just general enthusiasm for understanding ideas and arguing about them. That made me think that there's something really good going on here, even if they are not going to take these skills to the marketplace or somewhere outside the prison.

What was the topic of the course, and how'd you choose it?

"The Nature of Hope in Modern Philosophy." We looked a little at pre-modern philosophy, but mostly modern and contemporary philosophy in terms of hope for individual improvement and also broader, collective hope for social progress. And we even looked at more religious kinds of hope regarding what God might do for us collectively and individually in the afterlife.