What Would Happen If Christians Crashed Atheist Groups?

Mike Adams is bitter that the Supreme Court ruled against a Christian student group which claimed to have a legal right to discriminate against gays, despite its University’s non-discrimination policy. Adams wants Christian students to join secularist groups where (he assumes) they would be just as unwelcome as (we all know) unrepentant gays are in most Christian campus groups:

I can’t stand atheists. And I plan to do something about them. Thankfully, the U.S. Supreme Court has given me a powerful tool to use in my war against the godless. Earlier this week, the Court ruled that a public university may require all student organizations to admit any student as a voting member or officer. The decision applies even to a student who is openly hostile to the group’s fundamental beliefs.

So, when I get back to the secular university in August, I plan to round up the students I know who are most hostile to atheism. Then I’m going to get them to help me find atheist-haters willing to join atheist student groups across the South. I plan to use my young fundamentalist Christian warriors to undermine the mission of every group that disagrees with me on the existence of God.

Craig James (author of The Religion Virus: Why We Believe in God: An Evolutionist Explains Religion’s Incredible Hold on Humanity) says, “bring it on”:

I’d be willing to bet that if Mike Adam’s Christian students start attending the Secular Student Alliance meetings, Hemant and friends would welcome the opportunity to talk to them. In fact, I’ll bet they’d organize a national campaign to welcome these Christians into their group!

Can you imagine it? What’s going to happen when you take a bunch of intelligent, inquisitive Christian college students, most of whom have led insular lives and never had their beliefs seriously challenged, and drop them into a group of the smartest, best-educated secular students in America? Remember, these aren’t just casual secularists, these are students who care enough to join the Secular Student Alliance and contribute their time and energy to the cause. They’re activists.

I predict that Mike will lose his best and brightest Christian students.

I’m with Craig.

Your Thoughts?

About Daniel Fincke

Dr. Daniel Fincke  has his PhD in philosophy from Fordham University and spent 11 years teaching in college classrooms. He wrote his dissertation on Ethics and the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche. On Camels With Hammers, the careful philosophy blog he writes for a popular audience, Dan argues for atheism and develops a humanistic ethical theory he calls “Empowerment Ethics”. Dan also teaches affordable, non-matriculated, video-conferencing philosophy classes on ethics, Nietzsche, historical philosophy, and philosophy for atheists that anyone around the world can sign up for. (You can learn more about Dan’s online classes here.) Dan is an APPA  (American Philosophical Practitioners Association) certified philosophical counselor who offers philosophical advice services to help people work through the philosophical aspects of their practical problems or to work out their views on philosophical issues. (You can read examples of Dan’s advice here.) Through his blogging, his online teaching, and his philosophical advice services each, Dan specializes in helping people who have recently left a religious tradition work out their constructive answers to questions of ethics, metaphysics, the meaning of life, etc. as part of their process of radical worldview change.

  • Lawrence S. Lerner

    In my long experience as a college professor, the undergraduate years are a sort of pons asinorum with respect to religion. Lots of students come to college filled with the religious beliefs of their childhood and then begin to analyze them, using the tools they learn about in college. The smarter ones usually lose their religion; the others either ignore it or return to it with more or less enthusiasm. So I think Mike Adams may be in for a bit of a surprise.

  • Virginia

    Wow.. I’d love this to be updated! I’m dying to see how the ‘Christian warriors’ fare…

  • HumanistDad

    Mike seems to have completely missed the point. His group discriminates against certain people whereas the ‘atheist’ groups do not. ALL are welcome to join. Now, join and be a complete ass and you’re banned with a police escort if required…

  • Daniel Fincke

    Ha, well, that can happen sometimes even if you’re the invited speaker! ;)

  • Daniel Fincke

    In my long experience as a college professor, the undergraduate years are a sort of pons asinorum with respect to religion. Lots of students come to college filled with the religious beliefs of their childhood and then begin to analyze them, using the tools they learn about in college. The smarter ones usually lose their religion; the others either ignore it or return to it with more or less enthusiasm. So I think Mike Adams may be in for a bit of a surprise.

    As one of those who very stereotypically lost his faith in college, that was what I thought about primarily when reading his threat.

  • http://www.godispretend.net God is Pretend

    I went to Auburn University for 8 years, and there were no organizations for atheist students. My last year I helped one get chartered, and it has been prosperous since. I imagine there will be a time when a fire and brimstone Ann Coulter type will try to organize a War on Atheism, but I am confident that the educated and philosophical minds at the helm of the organization will be able to combat any asinine attempts to undermine their mission of peaceful dissemination of information.

  • madman

    Even though CLS raised the issue in their case, there was no evidence after years of this policy at Hastings that mutinies of groups had occurred by factions hostile to those groups’ missions. After all, the policy itself was designed with an expectation that open access results in civility, understanding, respect, tolerance, etc., whether people ever choose to join different groups or not. Leave it to uncivil little prigs like Mike Adams to see the limited issue of the case (i. e., whether a public university must make an exemption for a group with membership requirements at odds with established university policy) as justification to attempt to infiltrate and subvert groups he doesn’t like. It’s not the quixotic nature of Adams’ proposal that I find obnoxious, it’s the complete lack of respect he and whatever “fundamentalist Christian warriors” he can dredge up have for others. Nobody denied CLS the right to assemble or believe what they want (just whether the university would have to give them public funding and recognition), yet CLS sympathizers now publicly threaten the rights of groups they find objectionable to assemble. That’s more consistent with an anti-social disorder than being a healthy function of democracy.

  • 7

    the ignorant, superstitious fools are in for a LONG overdue ass-kickin’. they may even learn something, for a change.

    IN THE BEGINNING, MAN CREATED GOD

  • http://www.lavenderliberal.com/ Buffy

    After reading about that case I opined that perhaps atheists should start handing out nontracts and other non-religious materials at church picnics and other religious functions in public places. Hey, if the godbots can push their shit on us then we can do it to them, right? Of course they’ll whine that they’re being persecuted, as they always do when they’re treated as they treat others. But they really need a taste of their own medicine.

  • http://www.atheistvault.com Michael

    When I read that Mike Adams piece I came to the conclusion that it was entirely satirical. In particular, his concluding paragraph seemed to be a just-in-case-you-didn’t-get-it clarification:

    In his dissent, Justice Samuel Alito observed that the Martinez majority has provided public universities with “a handy weapon for suppressing the speech of unpopular groups.” Alito is right as usual. After we get rid of the heathens we’ll turn our weapon on the gays, the blacks, and the feminists. We might even go after the Italians, too.

    So my question here is, are you really sure that Adams is serious? Maybe I’ve misconstrued the context of the final stanza, but I don’t think so.


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